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victor-romeo wrote: ↑15 Sep 2019, 14:17 I think Fury was carrying Wollin the first two rounds giving the fans their moneys worth and trying to get some work in and then the poo hit the fan in the 3rd round with the cut and the thing went life and death and turned into a great fight...Wow.

This is exactly what I have been saying. Wanting to go a few rounds at least. I thought he used the first round to see what Wallin had, maybe feel his power, movement etc. But like you said, before he could adjust himself, he got cut and it just changed everything. He still did well, won the fight clear. I can't see a draw as I can't see Wallin winning more than 5 rounds (I gave him 5 rounds) and I admit, at least 2 of those rounds I was being generous.

Who is suggesting it should have been a draw?

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 15:01 Who is suggesting it should have been a draw?

Someone earlier wrote anything from a Fury won by 3 rounds up to a draw would have been fair. I can’t remember what page it was. But something along those line. May have been a different thread.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:06

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 15:01 Who is suggesting it should have been a draw?

Someone earlier wrote anything from a Fury won by 3 rounds up to a draw would have been fair. I can’t remember what page it was. But something along those line. May have been a different thread.

That's crazy talk. My dislike of Fury is well known, but Wallin won 3 rounds at best. He definitely won the 12th. Other than that he lost most of the rounds conclusively, and the others he won were close.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:10

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:06

Someone earlier wrote anything from a Fury won by 3 rounds up to a draw would have been fair. I can’t remember what page it was. But something along those line. May have been a different thread.

That's crazy talk. My dislike of Fury is well known, but Wallin won 3 rounds at best. He definitely won the 12th. Other than that he lost most of the rounds conclusively, and the others he won were close.

But you could also say that Wallin should have won, because if he had been cut like that they would have surely stopped the fight, and most places they would have stopped a fight for a cut - cuts - like that, and Vitali's winning fight against the cheater Lewis (who should have been disqualified) was stopped for just such a cut, and he didn't have two eye cuts like Fury did either. But money talks and bulls h it walks in Mafia Vegas, and there is a lot of money that would have been lost if Fury lost.

I've been a fan of Fury, and I still like him, but I sure was rooting for Wallin. For one thing I generally like the underdog, and Fury's full of himself idiotic Mexican cartoon entrance act irritated me, tho probably the repulsive Brooklyn lawyer Arum was behind all that schtick.

Well just keep in mind. It would've been stopped in most cases for a reason. All that blood that surely ran into his eye all night long will not be good for his vision long term out of that eye. I wouldn't doubt that his vision out of that eye will be a bit diminished already.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:22 Well just keep in mind. It would've been stopped in most cases for a reason. All that blood that surely ran into his eye all night long will not be good for his vision long term out of that eye. I wouldn't doubt that his vision out of that eye will be a bit diminished already.

Yes, serious eye cuts are not supposed to cause a fight to be stopped only because the sight of blood is shocking, but because it can diminish the vision of the fighter so that he does not see oncoming punches - which Fury later admitted was indeed the case - and even more importantly because bad cuts in the area of the eye can cause permanent eye damage. That smaller cut he had on the eye lid was, I think, especially dangerous, because the skin there is very thin and there is only the eye itself behind the skin...and so I make the case that Wallin should have been the winner of the fight, but they endangered the future wellbeing of Fury to keep Wallin from making the second huge heavyweight upset of the year!

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:22 Well just keep in mind. It would've been stopped in most cases for a reason. All that blood that surely ran into his eye all night long will not be good for his vision long term out of that eye. I wouldn't doubt that his vision out of that eye will be a bit diminished already.

Yes, serious eye cuts are not supposed to cause a fight to be stopped only because the sight of blood is shocking, but because it can diminish the vision of the fighter so that he does not see oncoming punches - which Fury later admitted was indeed the case - and even more importantly because bad cuts in the area of the eye can cause permanent eye damage. That smaller cut he had on the eye lid was, I think, especially dangerous, because the skin there is very thin and there is only the eye itself behind the skin...and so I make the case that Wallin should have been the winner of the fight, but they endangered the future wellbeing of Fury to keep Wallin from making the second huge heavyweight upset of the year!

Fury fought through it and won the fight convincingly, albeit closer than expected.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:22 Well just keep in mind. It would've been stopped in most cases for a reason. All that blood that surely ran into his eye all night long will not be good for his vision long term out of that eye. I wouldn't doubt that his vision out of that eye will be a bit diminished already.

Yes, serious eye cuts are not supposed to cause a fight to be stopped only because the sight of blood is shocking, but because it can diminish the vision of the fighter so that he does not see oncoming punches - which Fury later admitted was indeed the case - and even more importantly because bad cuts in the area of the eye can cause permanent eye damage. That smaller cut he had on the eye lid was, I think, especially dangerous, because the skin there is very thin and there is only the eye itself behind the skin...and so I make the case that Wallin should have been the winner of the fight, but they endangered the future wellbeing of Fury to keep Wallin from making the second huge heavyweight upset of the year!

Sorry, but since when does blood running into the eye cause permanent eye damage?

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:10

That's crazy talk. My dislike of Fury is well known, but Wallin won 3 rounds at best. He definitely won the 12th. Other than that he lost most of the rounds conclusively, and the others he won were close.

But you could also say that Wallin should have won, because if he had been cut like that they would have surely stopped the fight, and most places they would have stopped a fight for a cut - cuts - like that, and Vitali's winning fight against the cheater Lewis (who should have been disqualified) was stopped for just such a cut, and he didn't have two eye cuts like Fury did either. But money talks and bulls h it walks in Mafia Vegas, and there is a lot of money that would have been lost if Fury lost.

I've been a fan of Fury, and I still like him, but I sure was rooting for Wallin. For one thing I generally like the underdog, and Fury's full of himself idiotic Mexican cartoon entrance act irritated me, tho probably the repulsive Brooklyn lawyer Arum was behind all that schtick.

How did Lewis cheat?

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:24

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:21



But you could also say that Wallin should have won, because if he had been cut like that they would have surely stopped the fight, and most places they would have stopped a fight for a cut - cuts - like that, and Vitali's winning fight against the cheater Lewis (who should have been disqualified) was stopped for just such a cut, and he didn't have two eye cuts like Fury did either. But money talks and bulls h it walks in Mafia Vegas, and there is a lot of money that would have been lost if Fury lost.

I've been a fan of Fury, and I still like him, but I sure was rooting for Wallin. For one thing I generally like the underdog, and Fury's full of himself idiotic Mexican cartoon entrance act irritated me, tho probably the repulsive Brooklyn lawyer Arum was behind all that schtick.

How did Lewis cheat?

Don't get them started again!

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:24

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:21



But you could also say that Wallin should have won, because if he had been cut like that they would have surely stopped the fight, and most places they would have stopped a fight for a cut - cuts - like that, and Vitali's winning fight against the cheater Lewis (who should have been disqualified) was stopped for just such a cut, and he didn't have two eye cuts like Fury did either. But money talks and bulls h it walks in Mafia Vegas, and there is a lot of money that would have been lost if Fury lost.

I've been a fan of Fury, and I still like him, but I sure was rooting for Wallin. For one thing I generally like the underdog, and Fury's full of himself idiotic Mexican cartoon entrance act irritated me, tho probably the repulsive Brooklyn lawyer Arum was behind all that schtick.

How did Lewis cheat?

Oh dear...not that again...

TFKoB and AJ would have finished off Mr. Linearal Saturday night.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:23

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 16:45


Yes, serious eye cuts are not supposed to cause a fight to be stopped only because the sight of blood is shocking, but because it can diminish the vision of the fighter so that he does not see oncoming punches - which Fury later admitted was indeed the case - and even more importantly because bad cuts in the area of the eye can cause permanent eye damage. That smaller cut he had on the eye lid was, I think, especially dangerous, because the skin there is very thin and there is only the eye itself behind the skin...and so I make the case that Wallin should have been the winner of the fight, but they endangered the future wellbeing of Fury to keep Wallin from making the second huge heavyweight upset of the year!

Sorry, but since when does blood running into the eye cause permanent eye damage?

That's not what I said. Read my post again.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:24

How did Lewis cheat?

Oh dear...not that again...

Look, Oogyboogy, you're a nice guy and I like you, but I'm going to have to kill you anyway. Orders are orders. I'm sorry.

Since I now have determined that Wallin won, the next fight will be a three man cage match for the world heavyweight championship - Wallin vs. Ruiz vs. Wilder. WWE wrestling rules will be in effect.

Wow, this forum must be 90% people from the UK to ride Fury like this.

The fact is, Wallin was ahead early, up about half way in, when it should have been stopped. Probably the worst cut ever, 50 stitches, but hey, Fury wasn't supposed to lose. Reminds me of the Wilder fight when a KO would normally be called.

The two fights together, never in history has anyone had a cut like that and was allowed to continue, just like never in history has a ref kneeled down next to a guy Yelling the count in his ear, that admitted he had his eyes closed and admittedly was knocked unconscious, and the right not waved off. Again, Fury wasn't supposed to lose like that.

I don't really care, hating Fury, Wilder equally, but holy crap call the fights correctly. Both guys are shittt compared to the best guys in the last 40-50 years.

Bandog wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 21:06 Wow, this forum must be 90% people from the UK to ride Fury like this.

The fact is, Wallin was ahead early, up about half way in, when it should have been stopped. Probably the worst cut ever, 50 stitches, but hey, Fury wasn't supposed to lose. Reminds me of the Wilder fight when a KO would normally be called.

The two fights together, never in history has anyone had a cut like that and was allowed to continue, just like never in history has a ref kneeled down next to a guy Yelling the count in his ear, that admitted he had his eyes closed and admittedly was knocked unconscious, and the right not waved off. Again, Fury wasn't supposed to lose like that.

I don't really care, hating Fury, Wilder equally, but holy crap call the fights correctly. Both guys are shittt compared to the best guys in the last 40-50 years.

That's what I've been saying.

Wow I've heard it all now. A fight should be stopped because of blood where the person cut was mostly dominating the opponent?? What?

It's a fight FFS. Fury was fine. Wallin was fine. People get cut, it's a fight.

But, but, but Vitali was stopped. He was stopped on cuts and there has been outcry for the last two decades. By letting Fury carry on this removed any doubt. If you wanted Fury to lose, Wallin should have beaten him - not on a technicality.

Also complaining that Fury made the 12 count. But, but, but any other ref would have stopped it. The ref didn't stop it, Fury made the count and then rose to turn the tables on Wilder That's a good call, Fury had fight left in him, just like he did with the cut.

Bandog wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 21:06 Wow, this forum must be 90% people from the UK to ride Fury like this.

The fact is, Wallin was ahead early, up about half way in, when it should have been stopped. Probably the worst cut ever, 50 stitches, but hey, Fury wasn't supposed to lose. Reminds me of the Wilder fight when a KO would normally be called.

The two fights together, never in history has anyone had a cut like that and was allowed to continue, just like never in history has a ref kneeled down next to a guy Yelling the count in his ear, that admitted he had his eyes closed and admittedly was knocked unconscious, and the right not waved off. Again, Fury wasn't supposed to lose like that.

I don't really care, hating Fury, Wilder equally, but holy crap call the fights correctly. Both guys are shittt compared to the best guys in the last 40-50 years.

You're a joke.

I did love how Arum pop'd up in post-imtwrview with BT and looked amazed at the cut. And said Fury better pay his cutman an extra bonus.

Then again anywhere else it would be stopped. To be honest about how bad it looked.

Lot of money has been invested in Fury now so yeah.

Still thou good work from Wallin, good exp fromthe highest level.

lazboy wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 02:25 Wow I've heard it all now. A fight should be stopped because of blood...

You keep repeating that disinfo. It's not the blood it's the possibility of eye damage. All agree that if it had been Wallin the fight would definitely been stopped so that is manifestly unfair. Most fighters won't quit even with an eye hanging out or their brain getting damaged. Mago Abdusolomov didn't quit. They endangered Fury's future well being because they didn't want to lose money. That's what the doctors in attendance - or actors playing doctors - are supposed to be there for. The ref is supposed to stop the fight and have the doctor look at a bad cut too.

A couple of other things the ref should have done - Fury's trunks were pulled up too high at the beginning and the ref should have noted that. The ref should also have said that Fury's corner had put too much vaseline on the cut, vaseline globs that fell off and then made the floor slippery. And am I the only one that noticed that Fury took his trunks off as soon as the fight ended? What the hell was that about?

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 04:54

Bandog wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 21:06 Wow, this forum must be 90% people from the UK to ride Fury like this.

The fact is, Wallin was ahead early, up about half way in, when it should have been stopped. Probably the worst cut ever, 50 stitches, but hey, Fury wasn't supposed to lose. Reminds me of the Wilder fight when a KO would normally be called.

The two fights together, never in history has anyone had a cut like that and was allowed to continue, just like never in history has a ref kneeled down next to a guy Yelling the count in his ear, that admitted he had his eyes closed and admittedly was knocked unconscious, and the right not waved off. Again, Fury wasn't supposed to lose like that.

I don't really care, hating Fury, Wilder equally, but holy crap call the fights correctly. Both guys are shittt compared to the best guys in the last 40-50 years.

You're a joke.

I don't know you well enough to rightfully insult you for stating your opinion so I will take the high road and not retaliate. Next time I won't be so nice.
You're probably very young and haven't been taught any manners.

I don't really get the impression that people are cockriding Fury over this fight.