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coneye wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 05:22 It was a good win on paper , but Mckean and the Aussies long ago learned how to play the game , especielly the big boys , Repham boxing club probably has more heavyweights than the whole of Aust so build up a record of wins , then grab a couple of big money fights based on your win record .

Good on them but the win does'nt mean much except a number on Moses record , so at 19 i expect Franks not going to risk his prospect for quite some time yet , so definetly don't hold your breath for a big name , One i would like to see is Moses v Huni that would be interesting and tell us where Moses is at , if he can do the same to Huni i think the English have a real good prospect on there hands , Huni i don't think hits hard enough for the heavys but he can box a bit .

makes it interesting though Frank has Moses , and Eddie just signed Teremoana Jr who i would suspect throw him in with Mclean and he will do a job just has quick , will these two prospects meet or will there promoters swerve like crazy , Personaly i think Frank will rap Moses up in cotton wool , and wait for the big guns to get too old and retire , At 19 Moses has the time does he have the paitence

Dempsey has been living in the uk and predominantly fighting non Australians for years.

There are also as many pro Australian heavyweights as brits.

Saying McKean is an easy quick knockout is outrageous. He went 11 and a half with hrg and beat rice.

No fault of Moses but he landed a shot strait on the back of the head, that’s what caused this fight to end early.

I did expect Moses to Finnish Dempsey quickish, but it’s a foolish hindsight view to think Dempsey is an easy knockover (he isn’t very good but he isn’t shit and definatly isn’t chinny).

Ricky wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 04:24

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 18:03 After beating McKean, who should he face next?

Hughie? Whyte? Chisora? Huni? Wardley? Joyce? Ajagba?

No chance he fights anyone off that calibre next, although I'd love it if he did.

Neither do I but the TNT were talking like this is the next step for him. If Frank has told them that this is the plan then let's see him do it otherwise it's all talk.

gregregegg wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 05:37

coneye wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 05:22 It was a good win on paper , but Mckean and the Aussies long ago learned how to play the game , especielly the big boys , Repham boxing club probably has more heavyweights than the whole of Aust so build up a record of wins , then grab a couple of big money fights based on your win record .

Good on them but the win does'nt mean much except a number on Moses record , so at 19 i expect Franks not going to risk his prospect for quite some time yet , so definetly don't hold your breath for a big name , One i would like to see is Moses v Huni that would be interesting and tell us where Moses is at , if he can do the same to Huni i think the English have a real good prospect on there hands , Huni i don't think hits hard enough for the heavys but he can box a bit .

makes it interesting though Frank has Moses , and Eddie just signed Teremoana Jr who i would suspect throw him in with Mclean and he will do a job just has quick , will these two prospects meet or will there promoters swerve like crazy , Personaly i think Frank will rap Moses up in cotton wool , and wait for the big guns to get too old and retire , At 19 Moses has the time does he have the paitence

Dempsey has been living in the uk and predominantly fighting non Australians for years.

There are also as many pro Australian heavyweights as brits.

Saying McKean is an easy quick knockout is outrageous. He went 11 and a half with hrg and beat rice.

No fault of Moses but he landed a shot strait on the back of the head, that’s what caused this fight to end early.

I did expect Moses to Finnish Dempsey quickish, but it’s a foolish hindsight view to think Dempsey is an easy knockover (he isn’t very good but he isn’t shit and definatly isn’t chinny).

No one said he's shit or chinny , However his first 19 fights were in Aust , mostly against guys not in his leaugue well past it and easy fights for him , once he got the good record , his next fights of which there have been 5 lets call the money fights , 2 have been against guys , who lost there previous 4-5 fights
one was a good win , 2 he's lost including Moses , .

But you do have to throw the guy bouquets his way , he moved and backed himself that is very admarable , i'm happy to see him get the fights i hope he's making good money and he will not die wondering ,

i agree he did get hit on the top of the head probably sent his equibileram all over the place , but by and large , he's definetly not a world beater , good win for moses , but it was never going to be a stern test for him . Theres a dozen more guys in britain who could of given Moses a sterner test , but Demsey has that all important win loss record

Don't know how many heavys you think are in Aust but i;ll tell you now its NO WHERE near the amount in britain , try finding them , and finding high level ones is very very hard how many you got here Huni , Eddies new signing , who else is high level , i'm curious for you to enlighten me

We have a decent young heavyweight here who is knocking guys out that on paper have decent records. Look further than the records, It's a similar case as a young Nigel Benn.

This kid needs to be taken care of, maybe give him experience behind closed doors if he is winning early on the big stage. One wrong fight and the bubble has been burst. Is this kid the next David Price?

Unfortunately there is money to be made in him and I feel he will come up against and experienced nobody and get undone. Imo, he shouldn't be fighting for titles at this stage, these titles are only adding pressure.

Someone mentioned Hughie Fury would be a good appointment next, good shout imo. Hughie has a lot of experience and not much finesse and power but has the experience to see how good Moses is. I would venture that route then assess afterwards.

the commentators on DAZN didn't mention it was a back/top of the head hit despite the replays. if it's not a clearly deliberate thing, is it seen as ok?

golden_labrador wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 08:12 the commentators on DAZN didn't mention it was a back/top of the head hit despite the replays. if it's not a clearly deliberate thing, is it seen as ok?

Yeah it's a bit of a gray area isn't it? It was an honest punch, clearly wasn't aimed to the back of the head. Even if the ref ruled no knockdown on the basis it was an illegal shot- where would the fight go from there? Damage was done. Sometimes you just need to recognise that a fight is a fight.

Ricky wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 08:26

golden_labrador wrote: ↑22 Dec 2024, 08:12 the commentators on DAZN didn't mention it was a back/top of the head hit despite the replays. if it's not a clearly deliberate thing, is it seen as ok?

Yeah it's a bit of a gray area isn't it? It was an honest punch, clearly wasn't aimed to the back of the head. Even if the ref ruled no knockdown on the basis it was an illegal shot- where would the fight go from there? Damage was done. Sometimes you just need to recognise that a fight is a fight.

Yep. Nothing wrong with the shot. If you are clinched up and start getting rabbit punched the ref needs to step in and issue a warning, points off, DQ.... in free flowing action, you don't get hit on the back of your head unless you present it to your opponent, so tough sh*t. Goodnight Vienna and all that. Itauma is quality.

He looks good, not the biggest but seems to have power which will keep the big guys honest. Doesn't appear to operate on the inside but shows decent movement. Maintaining distance against swarmers will be an issue. Chin will need to hold up. I have to say he doesn't appear to have the "look" of an iron chinned guy. Not sure if he can let his hands go if the threat level is high or how he deals with feints and good movement. Seen him looking for one punch in fights which I generally don't like to see even at the lower levels. I tend to lean towards the opinion that he's overrated and will get exposed but I'll be happy to stand corrected.

He's really good but the ko was very predictable. He needs a proper test now

The kids brilliant & will go a long way. The only thing that concerns me is Davison in his corner. At some point he is going to be in a tough fight & will need more than natural talent

I wish he could go once a month for the next 2 years but those days are long gone.

I'll reserve my opinion till I've seen 8 or 9 rounds of someone hitting him back

Stobbo wrote: ↑23 Dec 2024, 13:20 I'll reserve my opinion till I've seen 8 or 9 rounds of someone hitting him back

I agree, his chin might be made a china for all we know or he might just fold when the going gets tough, easy to look good in one sided fights.

Stobbo wrote: ↑23 Dec 2024, 13:20 I'll reserve my opinion till I've seen 8 or 9 rounds of someone hitting him back

100% but he is looking great

goose 5 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2024, 10:07 I wish he could go once a month for the next 2 years but those days are long gone.

Don't know for sure on that one , its still possible , I was getting excited early in the peice about Huni , but has he's gone on , i just don't think he carrys enough power to make the statements i originaly thought he would , Moses looks good , but i got a feeling at 19 , Franks gonna turn him into a koala (protected species ) for quite a while yet

Unless They want some Saudi Money

Have a little look at this highlight package of his ten fights. That shot behind the head wasn't a one off for Moses.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Dec 2024, 01:24 Have a little look at this highlight package of his ten fights. That shot behind the head wasn't a one off for Moses.

It’s Cus he’s just being a wilder at times.

reminds me of michael dokes with the quick bursts, super fast hands for hw

ya a lot of questions still but for 19 this is some hot stuff

And he was 249 last time out.

Shades of Wilder. Yet to be convinced.

hes beat better opposition by 19 and 11-0 than wilder had as a 28 year old at 25-0

his team at least have a lot more confidence in him than wilders did

Certainly has speed in abudance , ,at 19 you really do have to say he is a definete prospect , he's been taught very well , now we will see just how much Davidson, stuffs him up , especielly if they step him up a class , how come Davidsons now in the mix anyway , his previous coaches have done a good job with him , like i said he's been taught very well

So impressive for 19, turns 20 in 3 days iirc. Good win but not sure how good McKean was, went 12 rounds (nearly) with Hrgovic so good win on paper to stop him so quickly, he seems up for fighting anyone though which is laudable.

Frank is excellent at not moving them too quickly so be interesting to see who he fights next.

And it is me being annoying as ever, but what do you think his purse was for the fight? #pursewanker

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑25 Dec 2024, 15:25 So impressive for 19, turns 20 in 3 days iirc. Good win but not sure how good McKean was, went 12 rounds (nearly) with Hrgovic so good win on paper to stop him so quickly, he seems up for fighting anyone though which is laudable.

Frank is excellent at not moving them too quickly so be interesting to see who he fights next.

And it is me being annoying as ever, but what do you think his purse was for the fight? #pursewanker

What Frank oftenly does do which is annoying is pad their record with cans and journeyman until he can get a WBO title shot.

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2024, 16:52

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑25 Dec 2024, 15:25 So impressive for 19, turns 20 in 3 days iirc. Good win but not sure how good McKean was, went 12 rounds (nearly) with Hrgovic so good win on paper to stop him so quickly, he seems up for fighting anyone though which is laudable.

Frank is excellent at not moving them too quickly so be interesting to see who he fights next.

And it is me being annoying as ever, but what do you think his purse was for the fight? #pursewanker

What Frank oftenly does do which is annoying is pad their record with cans and journeyman until he can get a WBO title shot.

also true Josh.