AJ v Wilder set for America?

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mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:02
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 10:34
BigDoofus wrote: 23 May 2018, 02:20
And also the biggest name in your bedroom. You're obsessed with the man!
But in other cases the fight goes to where the money is. Your hero named his price but now he's looking for a way out.
He'll be remembered as the Sven Ottke of the heavyweights unless he fights a live opponent under the age of 41.
Where's the money though?

I could say I have $50 million but it doesn't mean I have it though.

You're too easily fooled by empty promises.
You’re not Al Haymon, are you?
LMAO!
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mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:02
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 10:34
BigDoofus wrote: 23 May 2018, 02:20
And also the biggest name in your bedroom. You're obsessed with the man!
But in other cases the fight goes to where the money is. Your hero named his price but now he's looking for a way out.
He'll be remembered as the Sven Ottke of the heavyweights unless he fights a live opponent under the age of 41.
Where's the money though?

I could say I have $50 million but it doesn't mean I have it though.

You're too easily fooled by empty promises.
You’re not Al Haymon, are you?
Do you want me to be Al Haymon, Mickey?
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Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:05
mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:02
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 10:34

Where's the money though?

I could say I have $50 million but it doesn't mean I have it though.

You're too easily fooled by empty promises.
You’re not Al Haymon, are you?
Do you want me to be Al Haymon, Mickey?
I'm guessing that's a No, Mickey.

Al Haymon never actually mentioned any money, did he? I can't recall him ever speaking on this alleged deal but I could be wrong.

What did Haymon say Mickey?
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Must have said something to Eddie, he seems pretty sure it’s legit. You should really know Haymon doesn’t speak or even get seen in public if you’re on a boxing forum.... you need to step up #letsroll
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mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:36 Must have said something to Eddie, he seems pretty sure it’s legit. You should really know Haymon doesn’t speak or even get seen in public if you’re on a boxing forum.... you need to step up #letsroll
So why mention him then?

And I recall Hearn was going to a meeting with Haymons people but they backed out.

So what details did your boy Haymon give out about the fight money?
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Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here to "reward" Joshua's fans for their loyalty and to ensure they can see the fight. They basically don't want it just yet, from what I can gather.
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Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here to "reward" Joshua's fans for their loyalty and to ensure they can see the fight. They basically don't want it just yet, from what I can gather.
Do you have a link, Mate. Hearn saying the deal is there?

I've heard him say he was waiting for details. I could have missed updates though.

Cheers
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Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:54
Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here to "reward" Joshua's fans for their loyalty and to ensure they can see the fight. They basically don't want it just yet, from what I can gather.
Do you have a link, Mate. Hearn saying the deal is there?

I've heard him say he was waiting for details. I could have missed updates though.

Cheers
Unless Eddie creates an account and tells you then you’re not going to listen, so what’s the point? He doesn’t want it, get over it #letsnotroll
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mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:01
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:54
Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here to "reward" Joshua's fans for their loyalty and to ensure they can see the fight. They basically don't want it just yet, from what I can gather.
Do you have a link, Mate. Hearn saying the deal is there?

I've heard him say he was waiting for details. I could have missed updates though.

Cheers
Unless Eddie creates an account and tells you then you’re not going to listen, so what’s the point? He doesn’t want it, get over it #letsnotroll
So there's no link then, Mickey. I'm prepared to read any link to the things you say happened. Always best to keep an open mind mate.

Do you have any more info or just more idle chatter?
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The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
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dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:31 The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
That's basically it.

If there is more information since the initial Wilder video I'd love to see it.

As I said before, I think Joshua should have the 1st fight in the States but this alleged $50 deal is just bluster without any more info.
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Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:41
dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:31 The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
That's basically it.

If there is more information since the initial Wilder video I'd love to see it.

As I said before, I think Joshua should have the 1st fight in the States but this alleged $50 deal is just bluster without any more info.
It's an odd angle which some have latched onto along the lines of despite Joshua progressing very quickly he's suddenly realised he's terrified of Wilder and is desperate to avoid him.

I mean, in Joshua's 21st fight he was adding the WBO title to the others he had, and had already stopped Klitschko as well as a fair few contender level opponents. At the same stage Fury was getting sat on his backside by Steve Cunningham and his best win was unquestionably Dereck Chisora. Wilder was fighting 23-10 lost his last five Marlon Hayes and probably hadn't fought anyone much better than Damon Reed.
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dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:53
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:41
dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:31 The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
That's basically it.

If there is more information since the initial Wilder video I'd love to see it.

As I said before, I think Joshua should have the 1st fight in the States but this alleged $50 deal is just bluster without any more info.
It's an odd angle which some have latched onto along the lines of despite Joshua progressing very quickly he's suddenly realised he's terrified of Wilder and is desperate to avoid him.

I mean, in Joshua's 21st fight he was adding the WBO title to the others he had, and had already stopped Klitschko as well as a fair few contender level opponents. At the same stage Fury was getting sat on his backside by Steve Cunningham and his best win was unquestionably Dereck Chisora. Wilder was fighting 23-10 lost his last five Marlon Hayes and probably hadn't fought anyone much better than Damon Reed.
I personally don't care about comparisons between what Wilder did at what stage of his career.

I just want to see the fight. I don't care whether it's in England, America or Nigeria.

I am not blaming Joshua, Wilder, Hearn or Haymon for it not being signed so far. I'm sure there's stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

It does amuse me that people brought into the video gimmick from Wilder. But it doesn't have much to do with the actual negotiations,.
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Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:03
mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:01
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:54

Do you have a link, Mate. Hearn saying the deal is there?

I've heard him say he was waiting for details. I could have missed updates though.

Cheers
Unless Eddie creates an account and tells you then you’re not going to listen, so what’s the point? He doesn’t want it, get over it #letsnotroll
So there's no link then, Mickey. I'm prepared to read any link to the things you say happened. Always best to keep an open mind mate.

Do you have any more info or just more idle chatter?
Do you not think Eddie might have checked it out?
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mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 15:08
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:03
mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:01

Unless Eddie creates an account and tells you then you’re not going to listen, so what’s the point? He doesn’t want it, get over it #letsnotroll
So there's no link then, Mickey. I'm prepared to read any link to the things you say happened. Always best to keep an open mind mate.

Do you have any more info or just more idle chatter?
Do you not think Eddie might have checked it out?
I honestly don't know Mickey.

All I know is Wilder made the offer, Hearn was going to meet Finkel but Finkel backed out.

Haven't heard anything concrete since except the occasional "talks are ongoing".

I'm not blaming either side but I will ask those who are for proof.
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Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:32
Taansend wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:05
mickey1975 wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:02

You’re not Al Haymon, are you?
Do you want me to be Al Haymon, Mickey?
I'm guessing that's a No, Mickey.

Al Haymon never actually mentioned any money, did he? I can't recall him ever speaking on this alleged deal but I could be wrong.

What did Haymon say Mickey?
Hearn is on the radio, IFL all the time. He said he'd spoke with Haymon, it was genuine and it was now up to Joshua to decide. I posted at the time it was time to "Man up" or swerve, which you declared was pathetic.
Can't be arsed to check, but try this one:

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dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:31 The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
Hearn spoke to Haymon. The deal's there. Unfortunately, your man's balls have shrunk.
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dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:53 I mean, in Joshua's 21st fight he was adding the WBO title to the others he had, and had already stopped Klitschko as well as a fair few contender level opponents. At the same stage Fury was getting sat on his backside by Steve Cunningham and his best win was unquestionably Dereck Chisora. Wilder was fighting 23-10 lost his last five Marlon Hayes and probably hadn't fought anyone much better than Damon Reed.
You just keep repeating the same fan-boy mantra.
Joshua had an extensive paid amateur career. Fury won the world title (a genuine one) at a younger age. He wasn't scared to go in the champion's backyard.
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BigDoofus wrote: 25 May 2018, 02:54
dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:31 The money is there in the sense that we know the people dealing with Wilder have that sort of money. But that's not really different to saying Bill Gates could stump up a billion to host the fight in his garden for his exclusive audience. He could - but if there's no contract, or communication, or even evidence of him saying it, and actually the only person who's mentioned it is Deontay Wilder, then on what basis should you believe it?
Hearn spoke to Haymon. The deal's there. Unfortunately, your man's balls have shrunk.
AJ would fight anyone I'm sure of that, the fact they haven't announced Povetkin makes me think it's still in the cards
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BigDoofus wrote: 25 May 2018, 02:57
dirk2686 wrote: 24 May 2018, 12:53 I mean, in Joshua's 21st fight he was adding the WBO title to the others he had, and had already stopped Klitschko as well as a fair few contender level opponents. At the same stage Fury was getting sat on his backside by Steve Cunningham and his best win was unquestionably Dereck Chisora. Wilder was fighting 23-10 lost his last five Marlon Hayes and probably hadn't fought anyone much better than Damon Reed.
You just keep repeating the same fan-boy mantra.
Joshua had an extensive paid amateur career. Fury won the world title (a genuine one) at a younger age. He wasn't scared to go in the champion's backyard.
Fury wasn't a bad amateur either representing England, narrowly missing out on the GB spot that went to price.

Fury has been boxing all his life, AJ started at 18. So you could say that fury is the better schooled boxer.

Plus fury was the challenger to the man who held 3 of 4 major belts.

Now wilder is the challenger to the man who is holding 3 of the 4 major belts.
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fury, wilder, and aj all had around 40 am fights i believe
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Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here
Won't stop Joshua nuthuggers from saying the exact opposite
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 25 May 2018, 04:26
Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here
Won't stop Joshua nuthuggers from saying the exact opposite
Everyone knows the money is there. The devil is in the detail and that's been largely missing. Where? When? On which channel? Basic details that all need ironing out.
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dirk2686 wrote: 25 May 2018, 04:51
TheLeprechaun wrote: 25 May 2018, 04:26
Metal Fingers wrote: 24 May 2018, 11:50 Hearn has already said the deal and money is there in the US. He also said they'll take less money to bring it over here
Won't stop Joshua nuthuggers from saying the exact opposite
Everyone knows the money is there. The devil is in the detail and that's been largely missing. Where? When? On which channel? Basic details that all need ironing out.
AJ is a free agent in America. Who cares what channel? Who cares where? He’s the WORLD champion. His job is to pocket the $50m and box #letsroll
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mickey1975 wrote: 25 May 2018, 05:21
dirk2686 wrote: 25 May 2018, 04:51
TheLeprechaun wrote: 25 May 2018, 04:26

Won't stop Joshua nuthuggers from saying the exact opposite
Everyone knows the money is there. The devil is in the detail and that's been largely missing. Where? When? On which channel? Basic details that all need ironing out.
AJ is a free agent in America. Who cares what channel? Who cares where? He’s the WORLD champion. His job is to pocket the $50m and box #letsroll
Is he a free agent in America?
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