ValMar wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:37
Dagilechia, this is yours (and Polish) point of view. I don't know is this right or wrong. But, I am sure that the others (non-Polish) will not agree with you, and this is becoming the endless magic circle.
BTW, we are off topic...................
i just want to point out that annexion of Polish and Lithuanian (in former nomenclature) lands by Germans, Russians and Austrians is a much different kind of thing than the union between two states: Crown of Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania - both those states were on the same equal rights in this union, were the Poles the Ruthenians the Lithuanians etc on the same equal rights in Russian Empire or Prussia?
Briedis did some dirty things, and he should have been DQ-ed, because of that. His (and his opponent's) nationality is not important, at least for me. He could be a Mexican, German or Russian, and I would think the same.
If the situation had been just the opposite (with Glowacki as dirty one), I would claim that he should have been DQ-ed, too.
This is my point.
ValMar wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:37
Dagilechia, this is yours (and Polish) point of view. I don't know is this right or wrong. But, I am sure that the others (non-Polish) will not agree with you, and this is becoming the endless magic circle.
BTW, we are off topic...................
i just want to point out that annexion of Polish and Lithuanian (in former nomenclature) lands by Germans, Russians and Austrians is a much different kind of thing than the union between two states: Crown of Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania - both those states were on the same equal rights in this union, were the Poles the Ruthenians the Lithuanians etc on the same equal rights in Russian Empire or Prussia?
Seriously? Poland invaded Russia multiple times and was occupying its big parts for centuries. Russian/Ukrainian peasants in their own country were working for Polish land owners.
i just want to point out that annexion of Polish and Lithuanian (in former nomenclature) lands by Germans, Russians and Austrians is a much different kind of thing than the union between two states: Crown of Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania - both those states were on the same equal rights in this union, were the Poles the Ruthenians the Lithuanians etc on the same equal rights in Russian Empire or Prussia?
Briedis did some dirty things, and he should have been DQ-ed, because of that. His (and his opponent's) nationality is not important, at least for me. He could be a Mexican, German or Russian, and I would think the same.
If the situation had been just the opposite (with Glowacki as dirty one), I would claim that he should have been DQ-ed, too.
This is my point.
same here. if it was an Eskimo instead of Głowacki, my opinion would be exactly the same. the fact that it was my compatriot just makes me a bit more involved and emotional. i just care more than i would if it was an Chukchi or Zambian.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 05 Jul 2019, 17:56
by gilgamesh
Fact is Breidis shouldn't have been DQ'd. He should've had a point deducted...which he did, and then he won. That's the way it was.
Should've been a No Contest maybe...yeah well it ain't. It's a KO win for Breidis, and it'll stay that way. The rematch will be a doozy though.
Briedis did some dirty things, and he should have been DQ-ed, because of that. His (and his opponent's) nationality is not important, at least for me. He could be a Mexican, German or Russian, and I would think the same.
If the situation had been just the opposite (with Glowacki as dirty one), I would claim that he should have been DQ-ed, too.
This is my point.
same here. if it was an Eskimo instead of Głowacki, my opinion would be exactly the same. the fact that it was my compatriot just makes me a bit more involved and emotional. i just care more than i would if it was an Chukchi or Zambian.
i just want to point out that annexion of Polish and Lithuanian (in former nomenclature) lands by Germans, Russians and Austrians is a much different kind of thing than the union between two states: Crown of Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania - both those states were on the same equal rights in this union, were the Poles the Ruthenians the Lithuanians etc on the same equal rights in Russian Empire or Prussia?
Seriously? Poland invaded Russia multiple times and was occupying its big parts for centuries. Russian/Ukrainian peasants in their own country were working for Polish land owners.
there were no ''Ukrainians'' back then, nobody used the word ''Ukraine'' in the meaning we use today (it meant something like ''borderlands'' in Polish and Russian, u krainy, kraina - land, region, kraniec - extremity, border), no people called themselves ''Ukrainians'' back then. the term ''Ukraine'' as we know today was born in Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX century.
Poland invaded Russia that's a fact, Poles even occupied Moscow, what i mean is that Poland was in an union with Grand Duchy of Lithuania where the Ruthenian was the first language until late XVII century, and Ruthenian was also one of the official languages in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, first ever printed books in cyrylic were printed in Kraków, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was an multi-ethnic, multi-religious state with an level of freedom and tolerance unseen in the other countries at that time, of course, there was a Polonization to some degree (more in the times of Second Polish Republic in 1918-1939 than during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) but it's uncomparable to the level of Russification and Germanization which lead to terrible persecutions, forced displacement to Siberia, Kazakhstan, katorga forced labour, kulturkampf etc
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 05 Jul 2019, 18:07
by ValMar
gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:56
Fact is Breidis shouldn't have been DQ'd. He should've had a point deducted...which he did, and then he won. That's the way it was.
Should've been a No Contest maybe...yeah well it ain't. It's a KO win for Breidis, and it'll stay that way. The rematch will be a doozy though.
I wonder why the referees seldom use the rule of five minutes free for recuperation after the illegal punches.
For example : Ward -Kovalev 2, Whyte-Parker, I think in these fights the referees had to use the mentioned rule.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:56
Fact is Breidis shouldn't have been DQ'd. He should've had a point deducted...which he did, and then he won. That's the way it was.
Should've been a No Contest maybe...yeah well it ain't. It's a KO win for Breidis, and it'll stay that way. The rematch will be a doozy though.
I wonder why the referees seldom use the rule of five minutes free for recuperation after the illegal punches.
For example : Ward -Kovalev 2, Whyte-Parker, I think in these fights the referees had to use the mentioned rule.
when the A-side fighter is hurt - they use it always. when the B-side fighter is hurt - they use it sometimes.
I wonder why the referees seldom use the rule of five minutes free for recuperation after the illegal punches.
For example : Ward -Kovalev 2, Whyte-Parker, I think in these fights the referees had to use the mentioned rule.
when the A-side fighter is hurt - they use it always. when the B-side fighter is hurt - they use it sometimes.
You might be right..........
Sad, but true.........
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 17:53
Seriously? Poland invaded Russia multiple times and was occupying its big parts for centuries. Russian/Ukrainian peasants in their own country were working for Polish land owners.
there were no ''Ukrainians'' back then, nobody used the word ''Ukraine'' in the meaning we use today (it meant something like ''borderlands'' in Polish and Russian, u krainy, kraina - land, region, kraniec - extremity, border), no people called themselves ''Ukrainians'' back then. the term ''Ukraine'' as we know today was born in Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX century.
Poland invaded Russia that's a fact, Poles even occupied Moscow, what i mean is that Poland was in an union with Grand Duchy of Lithuania where the Ruthenian was the first language until late XVII century, and Ruthenian was also one of the official languages in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, first ever printed books in cyrylic were printed in Kraków, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was an multi-ethnic, multi-religious state with an level of freedom and tolerance unseen in the other countries at that time, of course, there was a Polonization to some degree (more in the times of Second Polish Republic in 1918-1939 than during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) but it's uncomparable to the level of Russification and Germanization which lead to terrible persecutions, forced displacement to Siberia, Kazakhstan, katorga forced labour, kulturkampf etc
Ah, that's what they teach in Polish schools! Polish occupation is the best occupation in the world!
And yes, there was no Ukraine at that time. Lands occupied by Poland were where Russia (Kiev Rus) was established. Ukraine is a product of polonization of South-Western Russia.
dagilechia wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 18:01
there were no ''Ukrainians'' back then, nobody used the word ''Ukraine'' in the meaning we use today (it meant something like ''borderlands'' in Polish and Russian, u krainy, kraina - land, region, kraniec - extremity, border), no people called themselves ''Ukrainians'' back then. the term ''Ukraine'' as we know today was born in Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX century.
Poland invaded Russia that's a fact, Poles even occupied Moscow, what i mean is that Poland was in an union with Grand Duchy of Lithuania where the Ruthenian was the first language until late XVII century, and Ruthenian was also one of the official languages in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, first ever printed books in cyrylic were printed in Kraków, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was an multi-ethnic, multi-religious state with an level of freedom and tolerance unseen in the other countries at that time, of course, there was a Polonization to some degree (more in the times of Second Polish Republic in 1918-1939 than during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) but it's uncomparable to the level of Russification and Germanization which lead to terrible persecutions, forced displacement to Siberia, Kazakhstan, katorga forced labour, kulturkampf etc
Ah, that's what they teach in Polish schools! Polish occupation is the best occupation in the world!
And yes, there was no Ukraine at that time. Lands occupied by Poland were where Russia (Kiev Rus) was established. Ukraine is a product of polonization of South-Western Russia.
and Ukraine is not a product of Polonization It;s a product of Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX, to create on those lands an element with national identity that is opposed to Poles, in accordance to a rule ''divide et impera'' - divide and rule.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 06 Jul 2019, 05:26
by ValMar
Eastern Europe Christianity paradox :
-The Father is Jewish
-The Son is Jewish, too
- The Spirit is ethnic (Polish, Rusian, Bulgarian, etc...)
The quintessence of the Christianity should be the Love. Yes, should be the Love (regardless of ethnicity/race/nationality).
BTW, I am agnostic, but I read the Bible, more than once (I read the New Testament four or five times), and I can not understand the Eastern Europeans at all, and I am Eastern European, too.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 15:22
by Ruthless-RKO
Briedis-Dorticos Winner Must Face Glowacki Within 120 Days
The good news for Krzysztof Glowacki is that he will be afforded a chance to become a three-time cruiserweight titlist.
An unfortunate downside, however, is that he’s forced to sit on a controversial loss while watching his conqueror move forward with his own career.
Efforts by Glowacki’s camp to overturn a knockout loss to Mairis Briedis proved unsuccessful, as it relates to an official appeal filed with the World Boxing Organization (WBO). Their June 15 clash—which served as a World Boxing Super Series (WBSS) cruiserweight tournament semifinals contest in Brieidis’ native Riga, Latvia—ended with Glowacki floored three times en route to a 3rd round stoppage.
“[T]he World Boxing Organization lacks subject matter jurisdiction to disqualify WBO Participant Briedis for any and all actions incur by such fighter during the course of the bout against WBO Participant Glowacki,” Luis Batista Salas, chairman of WBO Championship Committee noted in an official statement. “Such ruling and/or determination lies under the authority and jurisdiction of the Latvia Boxing Federation.
Further noted in the ruling was that the WBO “ lacks subject matter jurisdiction and authority to reverse and/or overturn an official bout result of Technical Knockout (TKO) to a “No Contest,” once again deferring such a ruling to the Latvian commission.
“I heard the bell,” admitted Briedis, who instead chose to protect himself at all times.
“The WBO World Championship Committee hereby strongly recommends that the winner of the World Boxing Super Series Tournament defends his WBO [Cruiserweight] Championship Title against WBO Participant Glowacki within one-hundred twenty days (120) after the competition of said tournament,” Batista-Salas noted. “This Committees’ ruling is subject to acceptance by the World Boxing Super Series Tournament within the following forty-eight (48) hours upon official issuance of this Resolution.
“If the World Boxing Super Series Tournament Officials do not accept and/or reject this Committees’ ruling, we shall determine a further ruling in accordance to our WBO Regulations of World Championship Contests.”
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑05 Jul 2019, 19:17
Ah, that's what they teach in Polish schools! Polish occupation is the best occupation in the world!
And yes, there was no Ukraine at that time. Lands occupied by Poland were where Russia (Kiev Rus) was established. Ukraine is a product of polonization of South-Western Russia.
and Ukraine is not a product of Polonization It;s a product of Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX, to create on those lands an element with national identity that is opposed to Poles, in accordance to a rule ''divide et impera'' - divide and rule.
In 1569 the Union of Lublin established the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, and much Ukrainian territory was transferred from Lithuania to the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, becoming Polish territory de jure. Under the demographic, cultural and political pressure of Polonisation, which began in the late 14th century, many landed gentry of Polish Ruthenia (another name for the land of Rus) converted to Catholicism and became indistinguishable from the Polish nobility.[43] Deprived of native protectors among Rus nobility, the commoners (peasants and townspeople) began turning for protection to the emerging Zaporozhian Cossacks, who by the 17th century became devoutly Orthodox. The Cossacks did not shy from taking up arms against those they perceived as enemies, including the Polish state and its local representatives.[44]
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 16:38
by dagilechia
almost only the Ruthenian elites got Polonized. The Cossacks made the Ukrainian lands fell into Russian hands and that was even worse than being a part of PLC.
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 15:22
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“[T]he World Boxing Organization lacks subject matter jurisdiction to disqualify WBO Participant Briedis for any and all actions incur by such fighter during the course of the bout against WBO Participant Glowacki,” Luis Batista Salas, chairman of WBO Championship Committee noted in an official statement. “Such ruling and/or determination lies under the authority and jurisdiction of the Latvia Boxing Federation.
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I doubt the Latvia Boxing Federation will go along with that...one of those perks you get boxing at home...
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 15:22
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“[T]he World Boxing Organization lacks subject matter jurisdiction to disqualify WBO Participant Briedis for any and all actions incur by such fighter during the course of the bout against WBO Participant Glowacki,” Luis Batista Salas, chairman of WBO Championship Committee noted in an official statement. “Such ruling and/or determination lies under the authority and jurisdiction of the Latvia Boxing Federation.
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I doubt the Latvia Boxing Federation will go along with that...one of those perks you get boxing at home...
... and after Dorticos, Briedis may be moving up. Even if he stays at CW, he could just drop the WBO belt.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 10 Jul 2019, 14:17
by dagilechia
What a cringe, Briedis is a total idiot, garbage.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 10 Jul 2019, 22:27
by boxing_rocks
WBC will be sanctioning Biedis vs Dorticos, so it will be for 3 belts:
jamamb wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 23:30
lol that would be hilarious if briedis was trolling polish fans with that elbow video
Apparently he is. It's working on Dag
Just imagine how hard it's gonna be for Dag to get over when Breidis beats Glowacki again
this was just showing how stupid he is. he is proud of his ugly shameful foul. mr deer the policeman is a cheater, he wouldn't do that outside of his hometown. i would root for his opponent in his every fight.
Briedis lost to Gevor and defeated Głowacki in a muay thai fight.
Just imagine how hard it's gonna be for Dag to get over when Breidis beats Glowacki again
this was just showing how stupid he is. he is proud of his ugly shameful foul. mr deer the policeman is a cheater, he wouldn't do that outside of his hometown. i would root for his opponent in his every fight.
Briedis lost to Gevor and defeated Głowacki in a muay thai fight.
He'll beat Glowacki in a rematch too. I'll bet you Glowacki won't be initiating fouls next time either.
this was just showing how stupid he is. he is proud of his ugly shameful foul. mr deer the policeman is a cheater, he wouldn't do that outside of his hometown. i would root for his opponent in his every fight.
Briedis lost to Gevor and defeated Głowacki in a muay thai fight.
He'll beat Glowacki in a rematch too. I'll bet you Glowacki won't be initiating fouls next time either.
there will be no rematch though. in a neutral ring it would be still 50/50 to me. Głowacki won the 1st round, he was doing well until the elbow punch. there is no reason to think that Głowacki would be now out of sudden a no hoper against the Latvian cheater.
Re: Briedis-Glowacki should be NC, yes or no ?
Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 04:26
by gilgamesh
I didn't say he was a no hoper. He's a good fighter, but I think Breidis is better.
Breidis had every right to use that elbow IMO. Glowacki hit him hard in the back in the head, and he got what he got from Breidis in response. The fact that you're still harping on about this is downright comical.
I actually like Breidis more than ever because of all this. The fact that fans of Glowacki are pissed that he did what a fighter SHOULD do in that situation is priceless.
If the roles were reversed, and Breidis had nailed Glowacki in the back of the head, and Glowacki had responded with an elbow I'd be saying the same thing. Ain't nobody looking after you in there, but you.
It;s a product of Austria-occupied Galicia in XIX, to create on those lands an element with national identity that is opposed to Poles, in accordance to a rule ''divide et impera'' - divide and rule.