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snake33 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:51 Let's take a trip back in time:
Buster Douglas beats Tyson and then eats everything on the planet,
what happens next................ ?
Ruiz beats Joshua and eats everything else on the planet, what happens
next................... ?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:01 I think people are underestimating how much of a slob he is and has been known to be in the past. To me it's a lot simpler and likely an explanation that he just porked out after hitting it big. His trainer also said he gained weight after the fight. Putting weight in his hat and pockets and stuff to give AJ more confidence? Just seems weird...

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:11 His trainer said he got significantly heavier after the first fight and was going to lose weight, so he obviously ate hard enough to blow up

A weighted sombrero

PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58 I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:43

PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58 I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

Good analytical forecast. Many good points, esp Joshua's lack of experience compared to the veteran Ruiz and the glib opinions of ex-fighters and disinterested coaches.

Yep, it difficult to argue with your forecast but as a Joshua fan I've got to try, whilst cursing that bastard Miller for putting Joshua in this career ending do or die situation.

Whatever anyone says, there was no getting away from an immediate rematch. Anthony Joshua is still the A side and Anthony Joshua is always dangerous.

With better sparring prep and being the A side in Saudi Anthony Joshua must still have a 40% chance of being successful - at the very least.

Anyway, seeing as how power didn't work last time, this time Joshua has to try mobility. Ruiz has by far the stronger chin, witness that haymaker he took AFTER getting up from the knockdown, but Joshua will have superior mobility.

Basically a repeat of his fight with Parker is called for, hence the same weight loss. Ruiz moves well for a 'big lad' but can he keep up and catch a slicker Joshua over 12 rounds?

For Joshua to win he needs to do a 21st century reenactment of Liston v Clay.

Might as we think big and stick to the plan this time. The days of AJ planning DURING his fights are well and truly over now as Ruiz demonstrated. You can't bloody plan anything when your head is spinning.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:38

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:11 His trainer said he got significantly heavier after the first fight and was going to lose weight, so he obviously ate hard enough to blow up

A weighted sombrero

He could realistically be the same shape and weigh 280.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:47

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:43

Good analytical forecast. Many good points, esp Joshua's lack of experience compared to the veteran Ruiz and the glib opinions of ex-fighters and disinterested coaches.

Yep, it difficult to argue with your forecast but as a Joshua fan I've got to try, whilst cursing that bastard Miller for putting Joshua in this career ending do or die situation.

Whatever anyone says, there was no getting away from an immediate rematch. Anthony Joshua is still the A side and Anthony Joshua is always dangerous.

With better sparring prep and being the A side in Saudi Anthony Joshua must still have a 40% chance of being successful - at the very least.

Anyway, seeing as how power didn't work last time, this time Joshua has to try mobility. Ruiz has by far the stronger chin, witness that haymaker he took AFTER getting up from the knockdown, but Joshua will have superior mobility.

Basically a repeat of his fight with Parker is called for, hence the same weight loss. Ruiz moves well for a 'big lad' but can he keep up and catch a slicker Joshua over 12 rounds?

For Joshua to win he needs to do a 21st century reenactment of Liston v Clay.

Might as we think big and stick to the plan this time. The days of AJ planning DURING his fights are well and truly over now as Ruiz demonstrated. You can't bloody plan anything when your head is spinning.

Yeah but how is Joshua going to be able to box like a young Ali when he doesn't have the speed or the skills to do that. As well as being 8 or 9 years older than that Ali

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 17:13

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:47

Yeah but how is Joshua going to be able to box like a young Ali when he doesn't have the speed or the skills to do that. As well as being 8 or 9 years older than that Ali

Hey Ewey, if Josh wins he'll be a 2x champ

adislav123 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 19:51 15 pounds more than in june.

minus shirt, chain, pants, hat, was he wearing shoes?

makes at most 10 pounds that he comes in heavier. more like 3 maybe 4 kilogramm. that's nothing

knowing he had a longer camp than before the june fight. he surely didn't loose any rather gained a couple pounds of muscle. leaves maybe 2 kilo of fat more than in june. that's nothing. makes him not loose any speed, neither of hand nor foot.

believe you me, he's fvcking ready to rumble, if anything he's stronger.

IF he would've trained intensely for fat loss say for a couple of weeks then dehydrate pre weigh in he would still weigh in 250, would be in ring 265 ish after rehydration like in the first fight. but for fvcking what reason would he attempt an idiocy like that?

that u lot of assholes don't have to fatshame his slightly slimmer physique and jerk of to it?
fvcking body image obsessed dickheads!

he's a massive metzican built like a tank. 6 inches shorter, upper body as long and carries as much muscle as joshua under the flab that gets you all so excited. he fights & beats up much taller guys since he's 6 years old. talking about experience.

not saying josh hasn't the power to knock ruiz out with a punch that ruiz doesn't see coming at the end of a combination, IF joshua goes all out quick with maximum force overwhelming maybe surprise ruiz.

if he thinks he can keep ruiz off him for 12 rounds by jabbing & moving he will come to a different realisation the moment ruiz lets his hands go.

P.S.: oog & 1slime aka the dunce duo still acting like absolute assholes non stop. tvrd & cant aka poop & pudendum or vice versa. again no insult, facts. proof 24/7 on here.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 21:29 The pressure got even more for AJ. He cannot lose to a Ruiz in this condition. Rooting for AJ. I had originally picked AJ. Then switched to Ruiz. Now I have no clue.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 21:29 The pressure got even more for AJ. He cannot lose to a Ruiz in this condition. Rooting for AJ. I had originally picked AJ. Then switched to Ruiz. Now I have no clue.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 22:20 His own trainer said 268 was too heavy and it was only because he had a short camp lqst time.

Now hes heavier

But yeah its definitely weights in a sombrero, jedi mind trick and muscles. Not a guy who clearly over eats all the time partying too much after his big won