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Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:44
by keithmoonhangover
Every week people are outraged when a close fight doesn't go the way they wanted it to. People want the Hearn guy to lose so bad it clouds their judgement.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:45
by keithmoonhangover
ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:43
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:40
This. It was a close fight either way. Plenty of close rounds.
If it was a close fight why were the score cards so wide?
You'll have to ask the judges that one I'm afraid.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:47
by ShadrachSimmo
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:45
ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:43
If it was a close fight why were the score cards so wide?
You'll have to ask the judges that one I'm afraid.
They answer to no pudendum it seems...?
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:48
by Go Faster Stripes
There were 5 clear rounds for Ryder in that fight so any scores where smith won by more than 7-5 are laughable.
The 9-3 one is a disgrace.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:49
by KiwiRider
X5
Hang on, what am I agreeing to?
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:51
by keithmoonhangover
Go Faster Stripes wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:48
There were 5 clear rounds for Ryder in that fight so any scores where smith won by more than 7-5 are laughable.
The 9-3 one is a disgrace.
7-5 is right.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:53
by Cholo_cws
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:30
These judges are completely shameless. At least pretend that you are scoring the actual fight. Make it 115:113 or 115:114.
Organizers should've saved money and had Adelaide Byrd judge remotely. Couldn't be much worse.
Yes. scores that wide gives the feeling it was preordained.
Commentator Andy Clarke attempts to justify it by telling us the judges were very consistent and are the paid professionals.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:54
by KiwiRider
handsofstone wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:13
Horrible decision IMO, I cant see how Smith won that and especially by they scores, disgusting, I had Ryder winning 116-113, he was better in most of the rounds surely, busier, more effective, I fancied Smith strongly here but he struggled all night, even when I had him winning rounds he never looked truly convincing, he struggled with the southpaw stance and small stature of Ryder all night, he couldn't get the jab off, was bulled up close so struggled to land the body, he conceded ground too easily and was backed up on the ropes throughout where he was always second best
Gutting for Ryder, he fought the fight of his life he made his disadvantages work for him, his tactics were perfect, get up close under the long leavers of Smith and get to work, spot on, as I say battered Smith on the ropes, hook around the side, uppercuts through the middle, banging to the body and just generally outworking and outhustling Smith, I thought hus defence was top drawer, great head movement , judgement of distance and he made Smith look wild at times and its not very often you see Smith flustered, Smith looked like he was starting to get to grips in the later rounds but Ryder finished like the winner for me
Nice one mate
Pretty much my summation too.
Gorilla gave it everything, solid gameplan and executed almost perfectly- that to me, is the most dissapoining aspect of the result for John.
-He earned it-
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:57
by TheRiverCityHippy
ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:43
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:40
This. It was a close fight either way. Plenty of close rounds.
If it was a close fight why were the score cards so wide?
The cards themselves went beyond robbery into the realms of parody.
As I said I had Ryder winning it myself but if Smith would have edged it in a SD I don't think you'd see the type of outrage that you are seeing now, the cards make a generous decision look like a disgraceful one.
The cards were a disgrace, the decision was merely generous.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 19:58
by kbackup408
The last 4 rounds were clearly for Ryder, the opening rounds were tough to score but the fact the scores were so wide ticks me off !
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:03
by Lennox
If you think Paul Ryder won that then you don't understand how to score.
2nd round was close, that could make it 115-113, but 116-112 was probably right.
JR won his rounds clearly I think 7 9 11 12.
CS won a lot of rounds jabbing JR just amassing scoring points. It was not pretty but those shots count.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:09
by KiwiRider
"Sorry about the door Mr Smith, but would you like to fight Canelo next year?"
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:12
by Cholo_cws
On a positive note it was a pretty absorbing fight and more competitive than most were expecting.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:17
by rd350lc
Cholo_cws wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:12
On a positive note it was a pretty absorbing fight and more competitive than most were expecting.
Agree with that , was a really good fight and a shock to me to see Smith bullied in there .
First time I think I have ever seen him hurt too .
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:19
by rd350lc
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:44
Every week people are outraged when a close fight doesn't go the way they wanted it to. People want the Hearn guy to lose so bad it clouds their judgement.
Why do you reckon that is ?
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:21
by handsofstone
Lennox wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:03
If you think Paul Ryder won that then you don't understand how to score.
2nd round was close, that could make it 115-113, but 116-112 was probably right.
JR won his rounds clearly I think 7 9 11 12.
CS won a lot of rounds jabbing JR just amassing scoring points. It was not pretty but those shots count.
Whoever this Paul Ryder fella is he deserved the win more than Callum Smith
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:23
by rd350lc
handsofstone wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:21
Lennox wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:03
If you think Paul Ryder won that then you don't understand how to score.
2nd round was close, that could make it 115-113, but 116-112 was probably right.
JR won his rounds clearly I think 7 9 11 12.
CS won a lot of rounds jabbing JR just amassing scoring points. It was not pretty but those shots count.
Whoever this Paul Ryder fella is he deserved the win more than Callum Smith
Shaun's brother .
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:40
by handsofstone
rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:17
Cholo_cws wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:12
On a positive note it was a pretty absorbing fight and more competitive than most were expecting.
Agree with that , was a really good fight and a shock to me to see Smith bullied in there .
First time I think I have ever seen him hurt too .
TBH I didn't think it was a particularly good fight but seeing Ryder have that kind of success made it absorbing, as bad as social media can be its a good gauge as to how a fight should be scored or at least who should've won, back in the day we had our opinion, judges and commentary, that was it nowadays even if I watch a fight and agree with the result and the TVs analysis, if I come on here and see most people have it the other way, then you do start to wonder, in saying that I always stand by my poo scores
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 20:40
by keithmoonhangover
rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:19
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 19:44
Every week people are outraged when a close fight doesn't go the way they wanted it to. People want the Hearn guy to lose so bad it clouds their judgement.
Why do you reckon that is ?
Some people don't like successful people, others don't care for his attitude and others just like seeing the favourite lose.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 21:06
by forcefraser
I wasne sober, but Ryder wan that fight for me bye the way
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 21:17
by margaret thatcher
forcefraser wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 21:06
I wasne sober, but Ryder wan that fight for me bye the way
You obviously hate successful people
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 23 Nov 2019, 21:24
by forcefraser
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 21:17
forcefraser wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 21:06
I wasne sober, but Ryder wan that fight for me bye the way
You obviously hate successful people
Ah cannae, willnae, shouldnae and shallnae admit that as a Smith win ya wee radge ye.
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 24 Nov 2019, 00:00
by lazboy
forcefraser wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 21:24
Ah cannae, willnae, shouldnae and shallnae admit that as a Smith win ya wee radge ye.
X 2
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 24 Nov 2019, 02:40
by rd350lc
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:40
rd350lc wrote: ↑23 Nov 2019, 20:19
Why do you reckon that is ?
Some people don't like successful people, others don't care for his attitude and others just like seeing the favourite lose.
And others like to see justice done .
I wanted the underdog to win , I'll grant you that , but I'm not a hater of Callum and he always comes across really well to me and hasn't really put a foot wrong in his boxing career , but he lost the fight to me and the Bs scorecards proved there was an incorrect decision .
Re: Round-by-Round: Callum Smith vs. John Ryder - 23 November 2019
Posted: 24 Nov 2019, 03:16
by Trent
16-12 ryder is my score. Bullshit judging decision.