Olympic boxing 2024

[forcefraser]

Are you for real, Racist , i've heard it all now .

He does'nt have balls and a saugage ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well what makes him /her a He then , if she is non linear or binary or collegiate LBTQ+G<2÷TR,, WELL WHAT IS SHE /HER

Your offended over peoples choice of pronouns , fook off into the corner and sulk then , I'm offended by people who get offended over nothing

Man or Woman who gives a damm were all humans and bleed , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Well Some will bleed and get hurt a lot more when there getting punched in the head by someone with a unfair advantage , .

You really have got to be a fookwit looking for a stir , and if your not i'm affended , by you being such a fookwit

Mate, give your head a shake. If you think my post was serious you need fooking help

Well in that case besides a shake , i'll give it a couple of slaps , and then bang it on the wall , Cos you got me there

No worries mate.

[Cholo_cws]

what a f@cking mess, embarrasing

so yes it was a testosterone test, oh wait no it actually wasnt, but we wont say we were wrong about that. and we didn't make khelif's sex an issue, oh wait ya we did mention that she's a man deceiving people about it, and we paid off her opponent's team 100k, true. and ya the exact same testing didnt find khelif to be a male in 2022, but hey things can change a lot in a year. oh and by the way the ioc are sodomites.

is the iba serious with all this or is this satire

I agree it is farcical and looks shady - the norm in boxing unfortunately. Khelif and Lin's 2023 disqualifications begs the question why didn't they take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport? I would suggest, because they knew they would lose.

Would the case have been heard before the Olympics starting, especially given CAS were already doing a case between IOC and IBA regarding whether the IOC needed to reverse their stance on IBA? Would imagine the on going case regarding testing, processes and governance (which ended in April this year), may have played a factor in appealing the decision to CAS. Would have imagined a case regarding governance of the organisation would have had to be complete before another regarding it's governance and testing would have been allowed to head to CAS. Especially if CAS could have said there was serious issues with governance, processes and testing, essentially invalidating the tests anyway?

As for Lin, I'm not sure, but I don't believe Taiwan i one of the 125 countries who has signed up to the "New York Convention on the recognition and enforcement of arbitral awards", which CAS cites in the answer to the question of "What is the scope of an award pronounced by the CAS ?" So it's possible that.... she literally couldn't, with out her country signing up to the convention, which is likely a potential mine field in it's self.

I posted a link to an article earlier which states :

"Both athletes, meantime, were afforded the chance to appeal the DQs to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Lin did not appeal. So, the IBA’s position is the disqualification in Lin’s case “became legal and binding.”.

Khelif initially appealed. On July 27, 2023, after Khelif did not opt to pay to continue the case, CAS said it was over."

Interestingly it also went on to say :

""Separately, Khelif provided a “number of medical documents which were examined by the IBA Medical Committee.” It is unclear what the scope or nature of these documents might be."

[Boxing Prospect]

I agree it is farcical and looks shady - the norm in boxing unfortunately. Khelif and Lin's 2023 disqualifications begs the question why didn't they take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport? I would suggest, because they knew they would lose.

Would the case have been heard before the Olympics starting, especially given CAS were already doing a case between IOC and IBA regarding whether the IOC needed to reverse their stance on IBA? Would imagine the on going case regarding testing, processes and governance (which ended in April this year), may have played a factor in appealing the decision to CAS. Would have imagined a case regarding governance of the organisation would have had to be complete before another regarding it's governance and testing would have been allowed to head to CAS. Especially if CAS could have said there was serious issues with governance, processes and testing, essentially invalidating the tests anyway?

As for Lin, I'm not sure, but I don't believe Taiwan i one of the 125 countries who has signed up to the "New York Convention on the recognition and enforcement of arbitral awards", which CAS cites in the answer to the question of "What is the scope of an award pronounced by the CAS ?" So it's possible that.... she literally couldn't, with out her country signing up to the convention, which is likely a potential mine field in it's self.

I posted a link to an article earlier which states :

"Both athletes, meantime, were afforded the chance to appeal the DQs to the Swiss-based Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Lin did not appeal. So, the IBA’s position is the disqualification in Lin’s case “became legal and binding.”.

Khelif initially appealed. On July 27, 2023, after Khelif did not opt to pay to continue the case, CAS said it was over."

Interestingly it also went on to say :

""Separately, Khelif provided a “number of medical documents which were examined by the IBA Medical Committee.” It is unclear what the scope or nature of these documents might be."

That doesn't actually give the answer to the question of whether it would have been heard at the same time. They had the chance to go to CAS, but would the case have been heard and completed before the Olympics, or Olympic qualifiers? Had they had to wait until May* to actually begin the case (give IBA's other case ended in April) then there's a good chance it would have been a phyrric victory, much like that Boris van thingy had against IBA when they made him ineligible to run against Kremlev the day before the vote, only for CAS to over rule them after the vote took place (or didn't take place)... And then IBA decided to not even have a vote when Boris was cleared, with it also be stated Kremlev did the same thing.

As CAS suggest cases can take up to a year + 3 months for an appeal, starting at case in July 2023 could, by it's self, run the Olympics, and Olympic qualifiers, close for time, especially given the African qualifiers, in Khelif's case, were in September 2023.

Likewise if IBA could only banned them from IBA events and both countries national federations were looking to leave and join World Boxing (incidentally run by the aforementioned Boris - and one of the two was invited to a WB event this year) the feds might have thought it wasn't worth the fight, especially against an organisation few feel to be reliable, and the ban essentially counts for naught.

Not saying they would have won or lost at CAS, just thinking or reasons why it may not have been worth going there. Especially with the ongoing cases, the timing and the past cases of IBA at CAS. It could also be that they failed criteria due to limits of the criteria, we already know we can have XY women, who have given birth, XXY women and XO women, which wouldn't fit within the rules set by IBA, but are all women.


*Although May would have been the date to start a case HAD they had to wait for the IOC Vs IBA case, the window would likely have been September, for the African Qualifiers in Khelif's case and for the 2022 Asian Games in Lin's case (with Taiwanese authorities stating she was tested there and passed the tests given).. I originally over-looked the much, much shorter window in which the case would have had to be heard.