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Posted: **31 May 2009, 03:17**

hitman09 wrote:
bobmee wrote:Didn't George Foreman knock out more than Ezzard Charles? Think he did.
Foreman had 68 KOs. Charles had just 52. Carnera actually had 72 BTW

Boxrec can be wrong (sorry, Shep). They have 100 fights for Monzon, for example, when every other source has 101 (60 by knockout), and Monzon is hardly a fighter from the dark ages. Let's just say Carnera was better than most people believe. Carnera climbing off the floor repeatedly against a vicious-hitting Joe Louis proves he was all fighter.
Like Louis, Foreman was also a monster, a surly monster, then a cuddly monster but, either way, a monster. The right hand he landed to the back of the head on a falling Gerry Cooney in 1990 could have killed Cooney.

Posted: **31 May 2009, 03:21**

bobmee wrote:No, it's not that. I'm like everybody else, some things you get right, some things you don't. One big hitter that really fascinates me, who didn't even fight for the title, was Elmer 'Violent' Ray, who had an unbeaten run of more than 50 fights, beat Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles, but never got a title shot. According to the stats, which can only be approximate, he knocked out 70 of 86 people he beat (lost about 13). He's a bit mysterious, seems to have been born in Putnam County, Florida in either 1910 or 1911, and might have died in Los Angeles in the 1980s.

Just his nickname says everything, In those days nicknames were borne out of pure ability.

Posted: **31 May 2009, 07:10**

There is a well told story of a 150lb Charley Burley putting the 200lb Elmer`Violent`Ray to sleep during a heated sparring session in 1944 or 45.

Posted: **31 May 2009, 14:19**

Sure, but sparring stories are a bit like fishing stories. It might have been absolutely true, might have been just another boxing 'incident' that grew out of all proportion the more it was told and retold. Or was a complete fantasy. And there are plenty of those in boxing to keep us all guessing for as long as we like. Who knows. Burley was exceptionally talented - think that's beyond dispute. How good Ray was is another matter, but he wasn't bad to get a decision over Walcott in a fight that someone described as 'as close as your breath'.

Posted: **31 May 2009, 14:43**

Agreed

.. but Violent Ray must have made a real impression on Burley because he forever called his pet dogs Elmer after the incident .. or alleged incident

Posted: **31 May 2009, 14:50**

Good story!

Posted: **01 Jun 2009, 17:13**

Heres one, in 88 a Fighter a Pro welter, ran the 6th fastest time by a Brit over 1500 metres 3 .54 I think the time was. Who was it.

Posted: **02 Jun 2009, 04:35**

Brian Clough once claimed they timed Franz Carr over 100 yards, on a football pitch in football boots at 10.5.

And its true, when he got to the finishing line his cross went behind for a goal kick.

Posted: **02 Jun 2009, 05:00**

This Guy entered the AAA for His local track Team for a Laugth and came 4th in the National Finals

DD

Posted: **02 Jun 2009, 10:19**

Adrian Carew?

Posted: **02 Jun 2009, 13:56**

Sorry Bennie no where near, but they turned Pro about the same time

DD

Posted: **02 Jun 2009, 18:18**

Scrap wrote:Heres one, in 88 a Fighter a Pro welter, ran the 6th fastest time by a Brit over 1500 metres 3 .54 I think the time was. Who was it.

gary jacobs

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 02:30**

No, no where near.

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 03:06**

Scrap wrote:Sorry Bennie no where near, but they turned Pro about the same time DD

Tell me it's not Rocky Bryan.

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 04:22**

Clue, from Essex and ran for the Essex Beagles

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:26**

Trevor Smith?

Can't think of anyone else from that era who was from Essex.

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:34**

Scrap wrote:Clue, from Essex and ran for the Essex Beagles

Georgie Smith or Colin Lynes!

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:36**

No, this one has done me, too. Delroy Leslie?

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:39**

bennie wrote:No, this one has done me, too. Delroy Leslie?

Wasn't he from Carshalton?

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:40**

Coco wrote:
bennie wrote:No, this one has done me, too. Delroy Leslie?
Wasn't he from Carshalton?

Yes, I've just found out that Carshalton is in Surrey. I was always a natural at geography.

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 07:48**

Georgie Smith is a great shout.

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 08:06**

bennie wrote:Georgie Smith is a great shout.

I know he is from Essex but have no idea of athletic prowess!

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 08:20**

Kevin 'The Look' Lueshing?

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 08:46**

Okay Ive been waiting that long Ive forgotten His 1st name. It was Denis Adams older Brother Boxed in the late 80s at Lt welter Welter didnt have many, was a southpaw if my memory serves me right. Richard I think, was a Great Runner, went in the AAA to Help the Club to make the numbers up and kept winning, very fit Lad. I thank you

Posted: **03 Jun 2009, 09:33**

Scrap wrote:Okay Ive been waiting that long Ive forgotten His 1st name. It was Denis Adams older Brother Boxed in the late 80s at Lt welter Welter didnt have many, was a southpaw if my memory serves me right. Richard I think, was a Great Runner, went in the AAA to Help the Club to make the numbers up and kept winning, very fit Lad. I thank you

Tony Adams?http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

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