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Holmes had no business fighting Frazier or Frank over Page, none whatsoever.

Right. And Frazier should have never fought Daniels and Stander back to back, and Dempsey shouldn't have taken off 3+ years, and where did Joe Roman come from? I demand answers!!

Jose Roman always had a name I liked to say. So that is worthy relevance I suppose.

Robinson wrote:Jose Roman always had a name I liked to say. So that is worthy relevance I suppose.

Yes, "King" Roman.

The Great John L wrote:Right. And Frazier should have never fought Daniels and Stander back to back, and Dempsey shouldn't have taken off 3+ years, and where did Joe Roman come from? I demand answers!!

- You crack on Joe after being the premier heavy of the 60s and destroying the guy you blow up like a swimming pool float?

After Joe almost died from a spike in blood pressure and was rapidly losing his already limited vision knowing that he was due to face the monster of alltime, Foreman in his next fight and needed a pair of tuneups?

Then you have the cheek to crack on George for opening up his championship career with near prime undefeated Frazier, Roman, prime Norton and near Prime Ali? Only a gaggle of giggling school grrls could fail to see that George opened up against the stiffest comp in heavy history. His reward was being frozen out of the title for 20 yrs.

Mr. Larry was Big George's age also winning a title in the 70s thanks to George being frozen out, and who's Mr. Larry's opening competition? Why, a past prime Norton, Alfredo Evangelista, Osssie Ocasio, and Mike Weaver? And Mr. Larry's reward? Padding out his big behind and title record with the softest run of competition since little Tommy Burns went on the road with his title and personal secretary/full time title challenger Billy Squires.

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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

The Great John L wrote:Right. And Frazier should have never fought Daniels and Stander back to back, and Dempsey shouldn't have taken off 3+ years, and where did Joe Roman come from? I demand answers!!

- You crack on Joe after being the premier heavy of the 60s and destroying the guy you blow up like a swimming pool float?

After Joe almost died from a spike in blood pressure and was rapidly losing his already limited vision knowing that he was due to face the monster of alltime, Foreman in his next fight and needed a pair of tuneups?

Then you have the cheek to crack on George for opening up his championship career with near prime undefeated Frazier, Roman, prime Norton and near Prime Ali? Only a gaggle of giggling school grrls could fail to see that George opened up against the stiffest comp in heavy history. His reward was being frozen out of the title for 20 yrs.

Mr. Larry was Big George's age also winning a title in the 70s thanks to George being frozen out, and who's Mr. Larry's opening competition? Why, a past prime Norton, Alfredo Evangelista, Osssie Ocasio, and Mike Weaver? And Mr. Larry's reward? Padding out his big behind and title record with the softest run of competition since little Tommy Burns went on the road with his title and personal secretary/full time title challenger Billy Squires.

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What an idiot. I thought my sarcasm was about as apparent as it can get, but obviously there's no IQ test required for Boxrec posters...

I generally don't reply to this guy, but how could I possibly resist?

The Great John L wrote:What an idiot. I thought my sarcasm was about as apparent as it can get, but obviously there's no IQ test required for Boxrec posters...

I generally don't reply to this guy, but how could I possibly resist?

HO~HO.........I've gutted the great John L with my own sarcasm about as heir apparent as it can get, but obliviously there's no email updating him save this board............ 8)

The Great John L wrote:Yep, this guy sure knows his boxing.

BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

Robinson wrote:BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

- Sarcastically, or realistically?

Sharp and fast in the ring with the occasional snappy overhand right........and the grapple......that's 95% of his Mr. Larry's game right there.

Robinson wrote:BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

He aint gonna waste his time watching stiffs like Holmes.

He likes elite fighters like Tyrell Biggs who he described as a "bigger, better version of Ali".

That tells you all you need to know about BRR.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Robinson wrote:BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

- Sarcastically, or realistically?

Sharp and fast in the ring with the occasional snappy overhand right........and the grapple......that's 95% of his Mr. Larry's game right there.

Yes...he worked the clinch on the occasion. But you know, I often watch a lot of
the old timers from yesteryear to pick up some Greco Roman for training. Take
Dempsey-Gibbons. Yet they are heradled as classics and great fights.

But I am satisfied....you in a round about way complimented mr Holmes.

Collins2000 wrote:

Robinson wrote:BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

He aint gonna waste his time watching stiffs like Holmes.

He likes elite fighters like Tyrell Biggs who he described as a "bigger, better version of Ali".

That tells you all you need to know about BRR.

Biggs...what could have been....

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Robinson wrote:BRR

What do you think of the Holmes jab?

- Sarcastically, or realistically?

Sharp and fast in the ring with the occasional snappy overhand right........and the grapple......that's 95% of his Mr. Larry's game right there.

will you PLEASE. STOP. CALLING HIM. MR. FOOKING. LARRY.

how many heavyweight jabs have you seen that compare with Holmes's, BRR?

robinson- I like your style sir

Biggs was for a brief moment the greatest HW of all time, ever... It was only the outside of the ring exploits which brought him down. Peak Biggs, that's right, PEAK Biggs was unbeatable. Okay so his PEAK didn't last long but in a head-to-head sense he destroys Frazier and Foreman. And let's be honest he makes Louis look like a midget in concrete boots.

Ezzard wrote:Biggs was for a brief moment the greatest HW of all time, ever... It was only the outside of the ring exploits which brought him down. Peak Biggs, that's right, PEAK Biggs was unbeatable. Okay so his PEAK didn't last long but in a head-to-head sense he destroys Frazier and Foreman. And let's be honest he makes Louis look like a midget in concrete boots.

When I first read this I thought you were out of your mind... but then I thought, hey wait a minute, that's PEAK Biggs were talking about. Not the fighter that lost to Tyson, Mason, Damiani, Bowe etc. Biggs at his peak (roughly April through June 87) was a lot like Ali, but naturally bigger and with a bit more power. I wouldn't say he destroys Frazier and Foreman, but he'd beat them quite easily.

The charismatic living legend of fistic furore that was Tyrell Biggs.

He could have reigned for 20 years if only he hadn't fallen foul of The Illuminati who controlled boxing at that time.

Such is fate.

At least we true believers, led by that man about boxing BRR, can meet here to pay homage to the greatest fighter ever.

Praise be to Tyrell. Master of The Universe.

Peak Biggs showed us how gutsy an out of shape Bey was.
Good scrap that one....


Biggs is one of those guys like a lot of his generation of HWs that
had many of us sighing...what could of been. Talent, physical attributes,
genuine skills are often not enough when one lacks a consistent heart,
hunger and desire to do what they have to in and out of the ropes to
be a champion.
Whether it be white powder, drink, women, or all of the above, you have
to be a boy scout when you chase after that strap.

If Holmes would of fought Page instead of taking on Marvis, he would of outpointed Page to a decision.

Coetzee on the other hand just after he won the title from Dokes would of been a tougher fight. But Holmes would stop Coetzee probably in 12, but not after weathering some early storms from Gerrie.

Bit slanted in favour of Holmes all this - if Mike Weaver & Bonecrusher Smith gave Holmes hell, certainly Coetzee could.

Hot & cold Page looked great taking apart Renaldo Snipes, and his performance in Sun City v Coetzee was excellent - rewatch Holmes being gifted a points nod over a Page type fighter in Witherspoon at this time & if you still insist Holmes beats him then maybe you're just a bit biased.

Scott Frank and Marvis... Simply awful. Couldn't he have faced the deserving Page first, then taken Frank & Frazier afterwards? Christ, he needed to redeem himself after facing Lucien Rodriguez of all people, and scraping it against Witherspoon. But nope, it was all about the Bum of the Month club.

overhand_right wrote:...Page type fighter in Witherspoon...

Sorry I don't see much similarity between the styles or skills of these two fighters. Could you please elaborate?

Sorry, I meant they are of a similar 'quality' - mentally, chin-wise, power-wise, both skilled guys etc.

I really wish that the Holmes/Coetzee fight could have happened. I still remember when Coetzee was trying to describe his dislike for Holmes after knocking out Michael Dokes in a really good fight. I think it would have been a great fight.

I think Gerrie could have won that fight.

punchoutsb wrote:I really wish that the Holmes/Coetzee fight could have happened. I still remember when Coetzee was trying to describe his dislike for Holmes after knocking out Michael Dokes in a really good fight. I think it would have been a great fight.

I think Gerrie could have won that fight.

If Gerrie fought Holmes on the form he fought Dokes I believe it would of been a very tough fight for Holmes, Coetzee winning some of the early rounds with Holmes evetually taking over and possibly stopping Coetzee in 12.

But if you watch the Page fight, Coetzee just completly neglected his boxing skills and turned slugger missing Page all night with his powerful right hand. If Page could slip most of Coetzee' punches than I believe Holmes could too. It would of been a great fight though.