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Ezzard wrote:Pedroza was a great fighter but for whatever reason didn't get the covergae he deserved.

Sorry but he didn't get the coverage that he deserved because he was fighting mostly cab drivers and bums just like Serrano. How many championships fights did Serrano fought? If I’m not mistaking his record on championships fights was something like 14 w, 2 L and 1 D. But then again look at the competition. The same with Pedroza. The only name in Pedroza’s record is Olivares and that was when Olivares instead of fighting should have been collecting his social security.

Pedroza was KO in 2 by Zamora, had a very hard time against La Porte, and drew against Bernard Taylor, all in his prime. As a matter of fact he would have lost to La Porte if he did not employ his usual dirty tactics. Pedroza is over-rated in my opinion and his record proves that. That is not a sign of the elite, and in a rich era of featherweights he his competition should have been better. In the era that Pedroza and Serrano were fighting there were plenty of good fighters to pick from and they both chose to take the easy road.

Now I ask you and please be honest, based on championship record of Serrano (14W, 2L, and 1D), does Serrano belongs in the IBHOF?

These are some of the names that Pedroza could have fought but inexplicably we don’t find any of the them on his resume:
Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Azuma Nelson, Alexis Arguello, Bobby Chacon, Danny Lopez, and the list could go on…

Instead we find Olivares (he should have been retired by then), Patrick Ford, Bashew Sibaca, Jose Caba, a green Lockridge (who at best was a C+ border line B-) and La Porte that he had a very hard time with.


Take a close look at this record and you will see his is over-rated.

Some more guys with a lot of wins over Top 10 contenders/champions:

Sandy Saddler 18
Flash Elorde 17
Ray Leonard 17
Benny Bass 17
Jack Kid Berg 16
Barney Ross 16
Bobo Olson 16
Luis Rodriguez 16
Dick Tiger 16
Sammy Angott 16
Alexis Arguello 15
Carlos Monzon 15
Chalky Wright 15

add julio cesar chavez with 15

KoKid-There are some wins that were against fighters that I thought may have been Top 10 contenders, but were not listed in the book.
Could you check on these for me in your old Issues of Ring Magazine?

Tony Canzoneri had wins over:
Andre Routis 11/22/1926
Bushy Graham 12/17/1926
Johnny Dundee 10/24/1927
Frankie Klick 10/28/1933
Kid Chocolate 11/24/1933
Baby Arizmendi 3/13/1934

Mickey Walker had wins over:
Ace Hudkins 6/21/1927
Mike Mctigue 11/1/1927
Johnny Risko 2/25/1931
Bearcat Wright 4/10/1931

Tommy Loughran had wins over:
Jimmy Slattery 12/12/1927
Jimmy Braddock 6/18/1929
Jack Sharkey 9/27/1933

I would appreciate it.

Ambling Alp wrote:KoKid-There are some wins that were against fighters that I thought may have been Top 10 contenders, but were not listed in the book.
Could you check on these for me in your old Issues of Ring Magazine?

Tony Canzoneri had wins over:
Andre Routis 11/22/1926
Bushy Graham 12/17/1926
Johnny Dundee 10/24/1927
Frankie Klick 10/28/1933
Kid Chocolate 11/24/1933
Baby Arizmendi 3/13/1934

Mickey Walker had wins over:
Ace Hudkins 6/21/1927
Mike Mctigue 11/1/1927
Johnny Risko 2/25/1931
Bearcat Wright 4/10/1931

Tommy Loughran had wins over:
Jimmy Slattery 12/12/1927
Jimmy Braddock 6/18/1929
Jack Sharkey 9/27/1933

I would appreciate it.

Let's see...
The Ring didn't start doing monthly ratings until May 1928, so the only ratings we have to go by before that time would be the annual ratings, which the started at the end of 1924.
I'd say it's a safe bet that a boxer who appeared in the annual ratings both the year before and the year in question would have been a top 10 contender all through that period.

Tony Canzoneri:
- Andre Routis was not rated in any division in the annual ratings for 1925, but was at no. 6 at featherweight for 1926.

- Bushy Graham was rated at no. 2 at bantamweight for 1925 and at no. 3 for 1926.

- Johnny Dundee was not rated in any division for 1926 nor 1927.

- Frankie Klick was rated at no. 8 when he fought Canzoneri in 1933.

- Kid Chocolate was recognized as the Featherweight Champion when he fought Canzoneri in 1933 (non-title fight).

- Baby Arizmendi was rated at no. 4 at featherweight when he fought Canzoneri in 1934.



Mickey Walker:
- Ace Hudkins was rated at no. 8 at welterwight for 1926 and at no. 3 for 1927.

- Mike McTigue was rated at no. 4 at light-heavyweight for 1926 and again at no. 4 for 1927.

- Johnny Risko was not rated in any division when he fought Walker in 1931.

- Bearcat Wright was not rated in any division when he fought Walker in 1931.


Tommy Loughran:
- Jimmy Slattery was rated at no. 6 at light-heavyweight for 1926 and at no. 3 for 1927.

- Unfortunately I am missing some of the monthly ratings for 1929, so I cannot give you Braddock's exact rating at the time he fought Loughran.
But what I can tell you that he was he was rated at no. 2 at light-heavyweight on the annual ratings for 1928 and at no. 5 on the September 30th ratings in 1929.

- Jack Sharkey was rated at no. 4 at heavyweight when he fought Loughran in 1933.

Thanks KOKid. Getting closer to getting a pretty accurrate count.

Ko Kid,
I noticed that Mike McCallum had some wins that the book does not list the opponent as being rated.
Can you check on these for me?

Ayub Kalue 11/13/1982
Milt McCrory 4/9/1987
Donald Curry 7/18/1987
Herol Graham 5/10/1989
Steve Collins 2/3/1990