Scott Harrison

[billy nelson]

It's a shame but Scott was actually close to meeting Marquez before he got into all this trouble. Whether his team would have taken the fight is another matter but I distinctly remember there being talk of a Marquez-Harrison match-up.

Lots of talk. Precious little actual progress. Add Guzman to that list too.

Obviously Arthur v Harrison was the fight which would have been good, two Lightweights cheating the scales, head to head.

How could Scott cheat the scales he was a featherweight all his career, boxers are like everyone as they get older they tend to get heavier hence moving up in weight,Scott didn't do that and was detrimental to his career in my opinion.Scot harrison had the skill,strength and ability to win world titles at SFW and LW imo.

[ERIC GUY]

Hi Billy welcome to the forum,
Billy was with Scott throughout his career, being Peter Harrisons assistant trainer, and he knows 1st hand how good Scott was, so what Billy writes, he writes from the heart, and knowledge from being there from the begining, tho I must say, his jokes are crappier than mine...

[coneye]

Has a boxer he was very very good ,,,,this is not to be confused with great or elite,,,,He was very good and fought at a high level , and for this the guy deserves allocadesd and bouquets all night long .

Billy being very close , assistant trainer close , also deserves allocades for one eyed loyalty , but facts are has a boxer he was up there very good at a high level was he among the best at the highest level. NO NO and NO and it don't matter what his assistant trainer says , he simply was not at the top of the world tree EVER .

Now has a person , thats a different story and all depending on wether your talking to his mate or his victim .

[terrez]

Just watched the On the Ropes doc again, stumbled across it as i was going through diff clips on you tube.

Just wondered if anyone knew when scott was going to be released? and what his plans were? so frustrating to think what if.

thanks.

Scott got a 2 and a half year sentence, that was in April of 2009. So he could be out the end of 2011. He will be about 34yrs old.

It appears he has been keeping fit and clean in the Spanish prison, having all day access to a gym, so if he keeps that up, he could be in good shape, 34 may be a bit to old, especially for his weight class, but you never know a comeback could be on the cards.

[bobmee]

You don't get to have 10 WBO featherweight title fights, even with a good matchmaker, if you can't box a bit. At his peak he was immensely fit, obviously incredibly strong at the weight, and had the instincts of a world class fighter. He was also honest enough to call it a nonsense when the WBO declared him interim champion. I'll remember his contentment and sense of occasion when he beat Tracy Harris Patterson in Madison Square Garden, his pride on the night he beat Julio Pablo Chacon but above all I'll not forget the final round against Victor Polo. The test of a fighter comes, not when he's winning a fight with relative comfort, but when the time comes for him to take it himself. He was probably losing too much weight to make featherweight by then. He looked all but done, had taken a systematic boxing lesson for several rounds, but somehow dragged it out in the 12th. It wasn't subtle, wasn't about considered skills, it was the round of a man who was proud of what he was, who wanted to give everything he had until the final bell rang. (I agree he was lucky to get the draw but that's not the point.) I don't know the pressures that turned him, don't understand the illnesses that changed the way he behaved and don't know if anything could have helped him, given the ego sport that boxing is. Yes, he's done wrong, and there are victims of that, but it's not my place to sit in moralistic, self-righteous judgement and declare him beyond redemption. Some thugs have never done anything with their lives, never will and are cowards at heart. That's not the case here. Should he come back? I don't know. Can he regain what he had in his prime? No, because he's not young any more and what has happened (what's he done to others as well as himself) will have taken a psychological as well as physical toll. In a way, he still seems to have the need to have boxing driven out of him. And what else can he do if he doesn't box? If his licence application is rejected, how will he cope with it? He will know the very few people he can trust and he will need to be able to rely on them.

[forcefraser]

You don't get to have 10 WBO featherweight title fights, even with a good matchmaker, if you can't box a bit. At his peak he was immensely fit, obviously incredibly strong at the weight, and had the instincts of a world class fighter. He was also honest enough to call it a nonsense when the WBO declared him interim champion. I'll remember his contentment and sense of occasion when he beat Tracy Harris Patterson in Madison Square Garden, his pride on the night he beat Julio Pablo Chacon but above all I'll not forget the final round against Victor Polo. The test of a fighter comes, not when he's winning a fight with relative comfort, but when the time comes for him to take it himself. He was probably losing too much weight to make featherweight by then. He looked all but done, had taken a systematic boxing lesson for several rounds, but somehow dragged it out in the 12th. It wasn't subtle, wasn't about considered skills, it was the round of a man who was proud of what he was, who wanted to give everything he had until the final bell rang. (I agree he was lucky to get the draw but that's not the point.) I don't know the pressures that turned him, don't understand the illnesses that changed the way he behaved and don't know if anything could have helped him, given the ego sport that boxing is. Yes, he's done wrong, and there are victims of that, but it's not my place to sit in moralistic, self-righteous judgement and declare him beyond redemption. Some thugs have never done anything with their lives, never will and are cowards at heart. That's not the case here. Should he come back? I don't know. Can he regain what he had in his prime? No, because he's not young any more and what has happened (what's he done to others as well as himself) will have taken a psychological as well as physical toll. In a way, he still seems to have the need to have boxing driven out of him. And what else can he do if he doesn't box? If his licence application is rejected, how will he cope with it? He will know the very few people he can trust and he will need to be able to rely on them.

Well said.

He was a very good fighter, but would have struggled against the elite in the division.

As for his life outside of boxing, non one knows what demons drives a person to some of the things he has done. He was obviously not a well man and that is not trying to excuse his actions, but it may help to understand them.

[DavidPayne]

It's a shame but Scott was actually close to meeting Marquez before he got into all this trouble. Whether his team would have taken the fight is another matter but I distinctly remember there being talk of a Marquez-Harrison match-up.

Lots of talk. Precious little actual progress. Add Guzman to that list too.

Obviously Arthur v Harrison was the fight which would have been good, two Lightweights cheating the scales, head to head.

How could Scott cheat the scales he was a featherweight all his career, boxers are like everyone as they get older they tend to get heavier hence moving up in weight,Scott didn't do that and was detrimental to his career in my opinion.Scot harrison had the skill,strength and ability to win world titles at SFW and LW imo.

So he didn't move up when he should, so I would restate he cheated the weight/himself to stay at 126 as Arthur did at 130 for too long too.

I always liked Harrison, he was strong, rugged, methodical and aggressive and most telling of all in the early days, precise.

He lost much of that refinement as he struggled with weight and moved with slicker opponents, looking sluggish, one dimensional and disillusioned more than once.

I'd have given him a shot at a JMM type opponent at his best but as usual with fighters of the late 90's early 00's we'll perhaps never know just how good he was because that truly world-class barometer was never engaged.

[Lenny]

Always a shame that we never got to see Harrison v Chi

Never my favourite, mainly because of the beating he gave McCullough and I had a tenner on Polo beating him on points, but he was very good at what he did whilst never getting at the big names in the division, of which there were many

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Harrison - Hamed... would it have taken Naseem 30 or 60 seconds to KO the "big" Scott?


I can never make up my mind about that fight...

[billy nelson]

Harrison - Hamed... would it have taken Naseem 30 or 60 seconds to KO the "big" Scott?


I can never make up my mind about that fight...

Well why don't you ask Naz why he never accepted a fight with Scott when he was offered it, i can tell you Scott accepted it immediatley.seriously mate Naz had an ego the size of himself and would have been beaten up by Scott. but your funny with your 30 or 60 seconds good one!

[billy nelson]

Hi Billy welcome to the forum,
Billy was with Scott throughout his career, being Peter Harrisons assistant trainer, and he knows 1st hand how good Scott was, so what Billy writes, he writes from the heart, and knowledge from being there from the begining, tho I must say, his jokes are crappier than mine...

Hi Eric,hope all's mate. ps sorry about the jokes they haven't got any better over the years.

[Wrists]

Huge respect for Harrison's abilities as a fighter - strong bugga.

However, to suggest he would have lasted 6 rounds with Naz let alone 'beat him up' is a bit off the mark

[Hagler2002]

Good engine, strong at the weight but pretty one dimensional, he would have been found out against the elite.

[Jon Saxon]

Harrison - Hamed... would it have taken Naseem 30 or 60 seconds to KO the "big" Scott?


I can never make up my mind about that fight...

would have been beaten up by Scott. but your funny with your 30 or 60 seconds good one!

That is just silly.

Naz by brutal ko in 2

[Lenny]

Harrison - Hamed... would it have taken Naseem 30 or 60 seconds to KO the "big" Scott?


I can never make up my mind about that fight...

Well why don't you ask Naz why he never accepted a fight with Scott when he was offered it, i can tell you Scott accepted it immediatley.seriously mate Naz had an ego the size of himself and would have been beaten up by Scott. but your funny with your 30 or 60 seconds good one!

What would have appealed to Naz about a Harrison fight? I can't believe he was ever on his radar. Harrison never reached Hamed's level even in his prime after Hamed had long gone. The fight would never have appealed and it's not because of Harrison's ability.

[Deserter]

seriously mate Naz had an ego the size of himself and would have been beaten up by Scott.

Naz undoubtedly had an ego the size of himself, but that in no way would have had a bearing on the outcome of the fight. Harrison was never in Naz´s league.

[martin_g91]

Sorry, I was giving Billy Nelson the benifit early on in this thread but the Naz stuff is a mile off. Harrison WAS one dimensional but to be fair he was good at that one dimension. THAT coupled with the fact that he was the biggest, strongest Featherweight in the world at the time (those weigh-in/first round size differences were crazy) helped him make ten defences against "Decent" opponents.
But a fight against Naz would have lasted exactly as long as Naz wanted it to (and not a second more).

[billy nelson]

I respect peoples views guys everyones entitled to them,mine on Naz is imo he fought 2 live opponents kevin kelly and barrera.Naz was up and down in a great fight with kelly and showed great character to win and in some ways imo took a lot of the fight out of Naz and versus barera he was totally outclassed,so without doubt barerra's A class elite fighter does that mean Naz wasn't?

[MightyWarrior]

Well Naz wasn't that great later in his career was he, just winging bombs and zero defence, and if you look at some of the fighters who lasted 12 rounds with him, it's not that far fetched to say Scott could have hung in there, bearing in mind he had a very good chin too. Two very hard bastards for sure, and it might have been a helluva fight.

When was the fight offered, the comeback or a title defence?

[Deserter]

mine on Naz is imo he fought 2 live opponents kevin kelly and barrera.

Billy, do you really believe this? That´s incredibly dismissive of the other world-class opponents he faced during his career, ranging from the likes of Johnson and Hardy through to Ingle and Bungu... and, of course, Medina, who gave Scott such a torrid time.

[martin_g91]

Sod it, written this twice now. Hope it come out this time.

The thing with Naz wasn't just WHO he beat, it was HOW he beat them. He dominated and humilliated them and made world and ex-world Champions look like they were having they're pro debut. I can only think of Jones Jr (of late) that had that gulf in talent over they're World Title opponents.

Barerra was top deaw 100 % but I think a few guys would have beaten Naz that night. This is not an excuse but if you saw the documentary they done on him for the fight you will remember (not sure of its name but I think its on you tube). Ex Quick-Fit brother running the training camp, no road work, playing golf, sitting around Bing Crosby's old mansion, TWO trainers (who went on to swap between rounds in the fight !). If they had aired that BEFORE the fight, there wouldn't be a bookie in the country that would take a bet.

With Kelly, he and Naz at the weigh-in dared eachother to have an all out tear up. Stupid idea but fair play they both did.

Naz will be the first to admit that he made mistakes at the end but still, that said, he and Harrison are in different sports.

[mickey1975]

Sod it, written this twice now. Hope it come out this time.

The thing with Naz wasn't just WHO he beat, it was HOW he beat them. He dominated and humilliated them and made world and ex-world Champions look like they were having they're pro debut. I can only think of Jones Jr (of late) that had that gulf in talent over they're World Title opponents.

Barerra was top deaw 100 % but I think a few guys would have beaten Naz that night. This is not an excuse but if you saw the documentary they done on him for the fight you will remember (not sure of its name but I think its on you tube). Ex Quick-Fit brother running the training camp, no road work, playing golf, sitting around Bing Crosby's old mansion, TWO trainers (who went on to swap between rounds in the fight !). If they had aired that BEFORE the fight, there wouldn't be a bookie in the country that would take a bet.

With Kelly, he and Naz at the weigh-in dared eachother to have an all out tear up. Stupid idea but fair play they both did.

Naz will be the first to admit that he made mistakes at the end but still, that said, he and Harrison are in different sports.

Little Prince,Big Fight

[martin_g91]

Thanks

[billy nelson]

mine on Naz is imo he fought 2 live opponents kevin kelly and barrera.

Billy, do you really believe this? That´s incredibly dismissive of the other world-class opponents he faced during his career, ranging from the likes of Johnson and Hardy through to Ingle and Bungu... and, of course, Medina, who gave Scott such a torrid time.

i don't mean to sound dismissive of anyone and apoligise if i have offended anyone. Naz never done anything to johnson or medina that scott didn't and scott got sent home from sparring paul ingle after two days he was far too much for paul.hardy was a very good dometc fighter that clearly Naz was to much for.

[Lenny]

Don't forget that Harrison gave McCullough a bigger beating than Naz as well whilst you're at it