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Lose to Maidana and Bradley. Beat Alexander

The only fighter in the division he would lose to would be Maidana.

Alexander was slick but completely ineffective last night. Really surprised by it.

Im not going to write him off just yet, maybe Kotelinik just handles southpaws well.

G0mez wrote:Alexander was slick but completely ineffective last night. Really surprised by it.

Im not going to write him off just yet, maybe Kotelinik just handles southpaws well.

Well, he didn't do too bad against then world champ Gavin Rees or Maidana who were both orthodox. The fact that he lost
nearly every round against Khan doesn't mean he is poor against all top fighters with orthodox stances. Khan didn't receive much credit for his win over Kotelnik at the time so let's give him his dues now and just hope that we can see him in some great fights against the likes of Bradley and Alexander in the near future.

If Khan has a solid chin, there would be no doubt that he is the best at 140.

brian13 wrote:Lose to Maidana and Bradley. Beat Alexander

Yes Khan is an excellent boxer - never been in doubt.

But you just can't overlook the fact Khan lost in devastating fashion to the very basic and limited Prescot. A guy who only has that decent power.
And has not met a puncher - or somebody with a decent punch at the weight since.

For me. Alexander is a more polished version of Prescot.

Khan always looked good against the tomato cans - the one same size guy with a punch he fought, he lost to.

Nah. Alexander decapitates Khan. As does Bradley. Maidana is 50/50 cos Maidana is terribly crude.

khan beats maidana easily,he would stop him maidana hasnt got the best chin in the world.

tonyevs wrote:

brian13 wrote:Lose to Maidana and Bradley. Beat Alexander

Yes Khan is an excellent boxer - never been in doubt.

But you just can't overlook the fact Khan lost in devastating fashion to the very basic and limited Prescot. A guy who only has that decent power.
And has not met a puncher - or somebody with a decent punch at the weight since.

For me. Alexander is a more polished version of Prescot.

Khan always looked good against the tomato cans - the one same size guy with a punch he fought, he lost to.

Nah. Alexander decapitates Khan. As does Bradley. Maidana is 50/50 cos Maidana is terribly crude.

WTF? Their styles are nothing like each other. For me Bradley/Alexander versus Khan are far from foregone conclusions. I fancy Khan to beat both but they are basically 50/50 match-ups in my book.

black panther wrote:

tonyevs wrote:

brian13 wrote:Lose to Maidana and Bradley. Beat Alexander

Yes Khan is an excellent boxer - never been in doubt.

But you just can't overlook the fact Khan lost in devastating fashion to the very basic and limited Prescot. A guy who only has that decent power.
And has not met a puncher - or somebody with a decent punch at the weight since.

For me. Alexander is a more polished version of Prescot.

Khan always looked good against the tomato cans - the one same size guy with a punch he fought, he lost to.

Nah. Alexander decapitates Khan. As does Bradley. Maidana is 50/50 cos Maidana is terribly crude.

WTF? Their styles are nothing like each other. For me Bradley/Alexander versus Khan are far from foregone conclusions. I fancy Khan to beat both but they are basically 50/50 match-ups in my book.

I was going to explain how I see Alexander as a more polished version of Prescot ... but then I read the second part of your post .. and thought ... what would be the point ......

markp wrote:If Khan has a solid chin, there would be no doubt that he is the best at 140.

If Khan had a solid chin he would probably be by far the best boxer these isles have ever produced.

Dioufy wrote:

markp wrote:If Khan has a solid chin, there would be no doubt that he is the best at 140.

If Khan had a solid chin he would probably be by far the best boxer these isles have ever produced.

Maybe??

But until he faces a guy the same size .. thought of in the same vein .. who can punch .. and who is somewhere near their peak. It will be too early to say.

When was the last time a British boxer fought and beat a guy who was all these? Nigel Benn? Lennox Lewis??

David Haye.

Dioufy wrote:David Haye.

Really? against who?? not Enzo

Mormeck?

kh82 wrote:Mormeck?

Nah .. even less likely than Enzo me thinks ....

I think Amir has the ability to beat all 3 fighters and the new look Khan is the best boxer out of the 3 IMO, but we all know that Khan is always only one punch away from being in serious trouble.

I'd love to see all 3 fights and I'd put money on Amir for each one

tonyevs wrote:

Dioufy wrote:

markp wrote:If Khan has a solid chin, there would be no doubt that he is the best at 140.

If Khan had a solid chin he would probably be by far the best boxer these isles have ever produced.

Maybe??

But until he faces a guy the same size .. thought of in the same vein .. who can punch .. and who is somewhere near their peak. It will be too early to say.

When was the last time a British boxer fought and beat a guy who was all these? Nigel Benn? Lennox Lewis??

Oh I think Ricky Hatton - but it would depend on the definition of everything, you can make a case against anyone if you are hyper critical.

Was Razor Rudduck good enough? Was Evander Holyfield close enough to his peak? Was the G man a true Super Middle.

What about Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy? Was Jeff not good enough, he is isn't - then how come Rudduck was.

Paul Ingle? - Junior Jones?

I think Kostya was still close enough to his prime to be classed as pretty formidable

kh82 wrote:Mormeck?

He was definitely not at his peak at 35+ years of age!

stujones wrote:

tonyevs wrote:

Dioufy wrote: If Khan had a solid chin he would probably be by far the best boxer these isles have ever produced.

Maybe??

But until he faces a guy the same size .. thought of in the same vein .. who can punch .. and who is somewhere near their peak. It will be too early to say.

When was the last time a British boxer fought and beat a guy who was all these? Nigel Benn? Lennox Lewis??

Oh I think Ricky Hatton - but it would depend on the definition of everything, you can make a case against anyone if you are hyper critical.

Was Razor Rudduck good enough? Was Evander Holyfield close enough to his peak? Was the G man a true Super Middle.

What about Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy? Was Jeff not good enough, he is isn't - then how come Rudduck was.

Paul Ingle? - Junior Jones?

I think Kostya was still close enough to his prime to be classed as pretty formidable

Razor Ruddock and McClellan were the two names I initially thought of
Ruddock was very much seen as a def world champ. And McClellan was the heir apparent. He, and everybody else (except Benn) saw it as a formality picking the belt up from Benn and going on to bigger and better things.

Whilst at the time I leant towards Lacy over Calzaghe ... that was probably more to do with Calzaghe at that time than the hype with Lacy ... Lacy always looked as if he concentrated more on the bench-press than boxing technique anyways... but maybe thats hind-sight..

Ingle v Jones. An excellent result for Ingle. But Jones was then not anywhere as highly regarded as he once was.


And did anybody think Kostya was anywhere near his best? he was still regarded as a top fighter .. too much for Hatton then atleast ... but no where close to his best.


I personnally think it was Benn v McClellan

As I said, you can see be hyper critical and use hindsight to highlight any arguement.

Yes, I agree with what you say about McClellan - all of the "hype" (it wasn't hype, he was the real deal) was based on his success at Middleweight. Remember when Naz fought Barrera a big reason why Naz was such an over whelming favourite was cause Barrera was a career long Super Bantam.

As with Razor Rudduck - he was seen as a possible contender based on a bit of a pasting at the hands of a rather faded Mike Tyson.

ruddock also knocked out dokes in an exciting but short fight, and did well in 2 fights with tyson, the hottest fighter in the sport regardless of the regression in his technical skills (one of the fights a controversial stoppage).


khan does look better considering kotelnik did well not only vs alexander, but also beat maidana in another terrific battle. and obviously lost controversially to both witter and m'baye. khan clearly had the style and the discipline to beat kotelnik. i believe a lot of it was down to the running, refusing to allow kotelnik anywhere near him. i wonder if khan would have fought in that cautious style had he not faced (and been blown away by) prescott. nonetheless, only khan was able to make easy work of the experienced ukrainean.

stujones wrote: Yes, I agree with what you say about McClellan - all of the "hype" (it wasn't hype, he was the real deal) was based on his success at Middleweight. Remember when Naz fought Barrera a big reason why Naz was such an over whelming favourite was cause Barrera was a career long Super Bantam.

As with Razor Rudduck - he was seen as a possible contender based on a bit of a pasting at the hands of a rather faded Mike Tyson.

Nope. Never once said McClellan was hype
And the Barrera fight was a warm-up for the real big fight there ... Morales.

I guess you show your age in regard to Donavan Razor Ruddock ... if you followed boxing back then - and not just read about it a good few years later - you would know all too well how highly regarded Ruddock was.

Maidana is the only one of those i see has the beating of khan, against a constant big banger like maidana i think he is screwed.

tonyevs wrote:

stujones wrote: Yes, I agree with what you say about McClellan - all of the "hype" (it wasn't hype, he was the real deal) was based on his success at Middleweight. Remember when Naz fought Barrera a big reason why Naz was such an over whelming favourite was cause Barrera was a career long Super Bantam.

As with Razor Rudduck - he was seen as a possible contender based on a bit of a pasting at the hands of a rather faded Mike Tyson.

Nope. Never once said McClellan was hype
And the Barrera fight was a warm-up for the real big fight there ... Morales.

I guess you show your age in regard to Donavan Razor Ruddock ... if you followed boxing back then - and not just read about it a good few years later - you would know all too well how highly regarded Ruddock was.

I know, I'm just being pedantic and hyper critical - You mentioned it had to be a fighter in the same weight division - McClellan was a Middleweight that was my point.

Razor Rudduck was an acid test for someone who hadn't fought in true world class, such a Lewis, but he wasn't a champion in waiting. Would he started as favourite at any point against Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson... no. He did okay vs a Tyson who lost his aura and on the rebuild - but that's the key difference, it was considered a "rebuild" fight for Tyson, albeit his toughest assignment but for Lewis it's being now categorised as his ultimate defining night.

I personally think a clearer case could actually be made for David Tua being Lewis' defining night - the difference being off course the experience of Lewis in both fights. Massive difference fighting someone of Rudduck's callibre after Gary Mason being your hardest test to date, compared to fighting Tua after you have been a Unified champion.

Hamed said after he beat I think it was Augie Sanchez that he wanted the true victor of the Morales vs Barrera fight... so Naz wouldn't have "won" with some fans even if he would have fought Eric. Both of these don't fit the criteria of correct weight limit.

Sorry, I'm just showing how holes can be made for everyone - personally I would McClellan, Tszyu, Rudduck, for the "true" fights - and Barrera had Naz been successful.

Junior Jones (great fight for Ingle, but not a fight to make a great), Lacy don't quite make it.

tonyevs wrote:

Dioufy wrote:David Haye.

Really? against who?? not Enzo

Folk seem to dismiss that win now, but at the time, the bookies had them pretty much even, and people on here were divided. He had a punch, was a world-champion, and was near his peak, so therefore, I think David Haye fought someone "with a punch and who was near their peak."



You could even make cases for Hurov, Mormeck and Frago if you wanted, but I won't.