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lucaselrey wrote:And Robinson lost to a much less talented fighter in Lamotta. Do fighters not have off nights? Ali lost to a bum in Leon Spinks, Now would u say he wouldn't whup Tyson's behind because of that?

keithmoonhangover wrote:Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

lucaselrey wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

lucaselrey wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

Idisagree wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

lucaselrey wrote:
honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Idisagree wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

IMHO Ketchel would have taken Hagler and Monzon and outworked Greb.

BarryWashington wrote:

theory wrote:Sanchez vs. Pep
JCC vs. Duran
Zarate vs. Olivares
Tyson vs Ali
Louis vs Frazier
Louis vs. Ali
Tyson vs. Frazier
Hearns vs. Hagler 2

The point of the thread is to put on a dream-card, therefore, fighters would only get one fight each.

I'd say out of those four (& breaking it down into two) we'll make:

Clay/Ali vs. Louis (Clay/Ali vs. Tyson would just be a one-sided beating courtesy of the man with the shuffle).

&

Frazier vs. Tyson (Tyson has a good chance of taking out Frazier early, but, if Frazier can get through the early on-slaught I see his constant pressure & superior conditioning being able to carry himself to a points decision).

Idisagree wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Idisagree wrote: At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

IMHO Ketchel would have taken Hagler and Monzon and outworked Greb.

Taken iron chin Hagler? how? Hagler had probably the best chin in boxing history.
Monzon is not too far behind in the chin department. Most people rank Hagler and Monzon among the best middleweights ever.
As for outworking Greb shows only how much do you know about him. I think you need to do some research.