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Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:Fair play to him for taking the fight. That p*ssy Haye wouldn't.

And he's going to Germany to fight him as well! You gotta respect that after only a hand full of fights.

All respect to Del Boy.
He is willing to toe the line - something Haye wasn't prepared to do when his bluff was called..

Shirow wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...

It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.

They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.

They must be the luckiest men on the planet.

They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...

JamesH wrote:

Jesus wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:PS I wouldn't call Haye a pussy after manning up and taking on Valuev (who many thought would KO him), Enzo Macc (pre-series of devastating KOs) and Mormeck...

Bit harsh...

valuev is a joke, mormeck was shot and macerinelli has always been mediocre....

Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.

Agreed mate..

What a fornicating bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

Captain Hook wrote:

Shirow wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...

It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.

They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.

They must be the luckiest men on the planet.

They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...

The talent pool in the heavyweight division has always been exceptionally low, once you travel outside the top 10, I think either man would have been in the top 20 at any time maybe even including the 1970's. They may be clumsy, but they are extremely effective.

Captain Hook wrote:

JamesH wrote:

Jesus wrote: valuev is a joke, mormeck was shot and macerinelli has always been mediocre....

Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.

Agreed mate..

What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Jesus wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

JamesH wrote:
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.

Agreed mate..

What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Macca was top 5 in the division at the time, as was valuev, as was Mormeck. Mormeck wasn't shot, he was definitely on the slide, but far from shot.

Captain Hook wrote:

Shirow wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...

It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.

They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.

They must be the luckiest men on the planet.

They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...

It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?
I not a fan but it's the division that sucks imo, not the champions.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Jesus wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: Agreed mate..

What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Macca was top 5 in the division at the time, as was valuev, as was Mormeck. Mormeck wasn't shot, he was definitely on the slide, but far from shot.

ffs everyone knew haye would destroy enzo and even they was surprised how quickly he did it!!! and wtf has mormeck done since? i will give haye some credit he went to france and beat the champ...(mostly because mormeck gassed out)...but come on if these are the bst names on his resume just goes to show how overrated he is......

Captain Hook wrote: They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I think history will look on them more kindly.

Shirow wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

Shirow wrote: It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.

They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.

They must be the luckiest men on the planet.

They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...

It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?
I not a fan but it's the division that sucks imo, not the champions.

It's the whole kit and caboodle, agreed, it just sucks they're reaping the rewards by being cumbersome and rather large, with opposition that's overweight, unambitious and usually there for the pay day.

Deserter wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I think history will look on them more kindly.

Their CVs will look very good, agreed, but easily the best opponent on Vitali's CV is Lewis, and he lost that one.

Big names, but very few of them came and gave it 100% against the Klits. Those who did were vastly inferior but at least they were brave. Williams, for example.

Lewis took on all comers at a time when they were at or around their peak - Tua, Rahman, Grant, Briggs etc etc

Fast forward 5-10 years and they're all still getting world title shots or in the mix. Frightening.

It's fair to say the division has never been in a worse state, I just hope Haye vs one of them happens at some point..

Jesus wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

JamesH wrote:
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.

Agreed mate..

What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Right, ok pal......nice comeback!

Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Most people in the UK backed Haye, that is correct. The general opinion at the time was that Haye was probably just about favourite but was in no way as much of a favourite as the bookies had him. When they stood face to face (or face to pec), posters began questioning whether Haye would have it in him to do it.

Enzo was a world title holder, however you dismiss his achievements. allegedly tried for years to get Haye in the ring and finally went for it when he believed Haye to be weight drained, a ploy Haye and Booth claim to have put on to entice them into the bout. At the time Warren said he would retire if Enzo lost, he must have been reasonably confident.

And no one suggested Mormeck would be easy. Mormeck was the champion, Mormeck had the crowd, Mormeck put Haye down in the fight.

Should Haye fight and beat one of K2, I'll look forward to you slamming their credentials too.

Oh yes, also to commend you on your superb application of sarcasm in your post, it was brilliant, it really was.

Captain Hook wrote:

Jesus wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: Agreed mate..

What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight

wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!

Right, ok pal......nice comeback!

back at you....atleast mine was more then 1 sentence....

Captain Hook wrote:

Shirow wrote:

Captain Hook wrote: They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.

They must be the luckiest men on the planet.

They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...

I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...

It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?
I not a fan but it's the division that sucks imo, not the champions.

It's the whole kit and caboodle, agreed, it just sucks they're reaping the rewards by being cumbersome and rather large, with opposition that's overweight, unambitious and usually there for the pay day.

Fact is, they are not responsible for the state of the division.

People were saying the same thing back in Marciano and Louis' day, this is nothing new.

The Heavyweight division has almost always been pretty dire, the real exception being the late 1960's-1970's which stands out and the 90's.

So besides the 60s, 70s and 90s it's been dire, I'll go with that James :)

I appreciate the division is a shocker, we all know that, but when in the past has there been such cynical feasting on piss poor talent?

Maybe Tyson and King to a point, but otherwise...?

Joe Louis "bum of the month" springs to mind-Not thats any excuse for the current sorry lot though.

We've got our own "bum of the month" club now.....then again, it's more like a bum every six months to a year!

King Geedorah wrote:The idea that Haye somehow won the Mormeck fight simply by standing up until his opponent lost steam is a compelling one. Not half as compelling as the evidence presented in the fight itself. Haye made good use of the left hook to the body, which can tire the opponent. Sometimes a nice left hook to the body is a better weapon than merely standing there waiting for the other guy to gas, sometimes, not always.

WBO, rubbish, isn't it? How Marco Antonio Barrera got his respect when holding that belt is beyond me. Actually, it isn't -- it was because he is a very good fighter. Enzo, whilst not as good, was respected in the division at that time and many people went for him to win, then promptly said 'I told you so' when he lost.

When I first joined Boxrec I thought that 'revisionism' was the art of preparing for your GCSEs. Blimey, how wrong can one man be.

f*ck the WBO belt! not worth the leather its attached to. hold WBOllocks in the same regards as IBO- b or c level belt.....WBC and WBA belts are the only ones with real history....

none of the belts mean fornicate all anymore.

by the way in case you didnt know those nice klts bros have insisted should del boy win he has to fight his elder brother...

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news ... 12902.html


its this bullshit that is fookin up heavyweight boxing.

Think we have to take into account Haye was struggling to make weight against Mormeck. Thats what makes it a good win as well.

This going to be PPV?

They'll probably make it PPV, as part of the FW bill same night ? PPV on it's own for DelBoy/Klit is laughable for such a blatant mismatch.

Where is it actually being fought? Have they given a venue out yet?

J wrote:none of the belts mean eff all anymore.

by the way in case you didnt know those nice klts bros have insisted should del boy win he has to fight his elder brother...

http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news ... 12902.html


its this bullshit that is fookin up heavyweight boxing.

Actually, heavyweight boxing is fooked up because most of the top heavyweights are fat slobs and miles below the Klitschkos in terms of ability. Most of the fights that have fell through in the HW division are not because someone has to fight Vitali if they win, it is because there are financial details the camps can't agree on. These disagreements are common in every division, and Haye has had his part in them as well.

Even with these contracts that you think are fookin up HW boxing, the Klitschkos still manage to regularly fight top 15 opponents, and in the case of Wlad top five opponents. So you see, they aren't hurting HW boxing as much as you think. It wasn't even the contract that made Povetkin pull out, it was his trainers worries about his chance of winning.