Can you name every British world champ?

[oliverfennell]

Regan and Clinton were adittedly pretty bad omissions. But hey, I just did it for fun. I guess I should have spent more time on it. Maybe I will do it again.

Lynch, McCullough and Hope, I was SURE I put them in. I can even remember typing them! Perhaps there was something I forgot to press.

Pyatt absolutely, definitely is there.

[oliverfennell]

OK, I worked out how to edit, and I've added all the omissions listed here. Can a mod delete the "offending" posts so as not to give spoilers for anyone new trying the quiz?

I didn't add Jason Matthews because he was only an interim champ, or Ola Afolabi because, although UK-based, he's Nigerian. (A bit like I wouldn't add Sosnowski if he won a world belt).

[canonball1234]

paul silky jones won wbo but had give it up

[gmanji]

take a bow to those who can name more than 50..... Im managed 28 and thought my brain was about to explode.....

[T.M.K]

DAMN! What a brilliant game!

I got 45

(couldn't seem to get Pat Clinton or Jack Berg to work, and I assume you didn't count Michael Bentt). I really thought I'd be touching the high-50's but my brain went blank and I missed some seriously obvious ones (my apologies to Carl Froch, Randy Turpin, Dennis Andries and Lloyd Honeyghan... I was open-jawed when I saw I'd missed them!).

Superb Mr Fennell - any more?

best wishes

"T.M.K"

[T.M.K]

Just got 111 on the Heavyweight champions one.....

Couldn't for the life of me get the IBO titleholder in 1994 and did know Lyakovich but couldn't get it to accept any spelling I entered!

[IRLangmaid25]

I just had a go at managed 32 but for some of them my mind went blank with the World Heavyweights managed 72

[Wax On]

Good fun that!! got 32, one for every year old, and the very last one after racking my brains for ages was Ricky Hatton, no wonder he's getting depressed about being out of the limelight

[RLewis]

Great test.
Missing: Owen Moran, Teddy Baldock, Johnny Hill, Cornelius Boza-Edwards

[oliverfennell]

Superb Mr Fennell - any more?

Thanks! Yes, working on another one.

[T.M.K]

Got 75 out of 100 on the boxing nicknames one.... ouch, that was tough!

That site is addictive, but any hardcore fan is going to need something challenging because some of them are far too easy for anyone with more knowledge than the average armchair boxing fan.

Come on Mr Fennell - test us! 8)



best wishes

"T.M.K"

[oliverfennell]

Great test.
Missing: Owen Moran, Teddy Baldock, Johnny Hill, Cornelius Boza-Edwards

Moran's and Baldock's world titles weren't widely accepted, were they? I know you could say the same about many world title holders, especially in more recent years, but judging by what was accepted at the time (similarly, rightly or wrongly, I wouldn't list Lee Savold among world heavyweight champs). I guess you could class them as "interim" champs, to use the modern parlance, and even though the likes of Moran and Baldock almost certainly have stronger claims to being "world champions" than, say, Jason Matthews, I wouldn't include him either.

Boza, like Bentt, Afolabi, etc, I didn't include on nationality/citizenship grounds. I know he was UK-based but was/is he actually a British citizen? Or was he at the time he held his world title?

[Ash-Weston]

I got 38!!!

Its missing Enzo Macarenelli

[RLewis]

Great test.
Missing: Owen Moran, Teddy Baldock, Johnny Hill, Cornelius Boza-Edwards

Moran's and Baldock's world titles weren't widely accepted, were they? I know you could say the same about many world title holders, especially in more recent years, but judging by what was accepted at the time (similarly, rightly or wrongly, I wouldn't list Lee Savold among world heavyweight champs). I guess you could class them as "interim" champs, to use the modern parlance, and even though the likes of Moran and Baldock almost certainly have stronger claims to being "world champions" than, say, Jason Matthews, I wouldn't include him either.

Boza, like Bentt, Afolabi, etc, I didn't include on nationality/citizenship grounds. I know he was UK-based but was/is he actually a British citizen? Or was he at the time he held his world title?

Baldock and Hill were perhaps not completely accepted (although I would class them as the equivalent of one of the 4 governing bodies today, rather than an interim champion (like calling someone an interim undisputed champion). Likewise Len Harvey.

Moran was pretty widely accepted.

Afolabi has a British passport, was born in London and went to school in Streatham. Boza-Edwards was very proudly British during his career. And certainly as British as someone like Ted Bami.

[oliverfennell]

I got 38!!!

Its missing Enzo Macarenelli

No it's not. Suspect you got the spelling wrong.

[oliverfennell]

Great test.
Missing: Owen Moran, Teddy Baldock, Johnny Hill, Cornelius Boza-Edwards

Moran's and Baldock's world titles weren't widely accepted, were they? I know you could say the same about many world title holders, especially in more recent years, but judging by what was accepted at the time (similarly, rightly or wrongly, I wouldn't list Lee Savold among world heavyweight champs). I guess you could class them as "interim" champs, to use the modern parlance, and even though the likes of Moran and Baldock almost certainly have stronger claims to being "world champions" than, say, Jason Matthews, I wouldn't include him either.

Boza, like Bentt, Afolabi, etc, I didn't include on nationality/citizenship grounds. I know he was UK-based but was/is he actually a British citizen? Or was he at the time he held his world title?

Baldock and Hill were perhaps not completely accepted (although I would class them as the equivalent of one of the 4 governing bodies today, rather than an interim champion (like calling someone an interim undisputed champion). Likewise Len Harvey.

Moran was pretty widely accepted.

Afolabi has a British passport, was born in London and went to school in Streatham. Boza-Edwards was very proudly British during his career. And certainly as British as someone like Ted Bami.

Re. title legitimacy - quite right about Baldock, Hill and Moran vs the legitimacy of the big 4 today. That's why I said about the perception of the time. I started a thread on the "Boxers of the Past" board about the very same subject - is it right that we accept split versions of the belts today as "world championships", yet disregard the likes of the NY "version", the British "version", earlier incarnations of the IBU and NBA, and even the "coloured" world championships? Who could possibly say Joe Frazier v Buster Mathis was a lesser match than Bruce Seldon v Joe Hipp, yet it is the latter that goes into official world title recordkeeping, and not the former. So it's quite a grey area but for that reason I think we should list champions based on how they were regarded by the standards of the time.

Re. Afolabi - fair enough. I always thought he was a British-licensed Nigerian. I seem to remember he was billed out of Nigeria when he fought in the US and just assumed he was now being classed as "British" due to his UK licence (similar to Sosnowski). In any case, he has only won an interim title so far, and I'm not including interim champs in the quiz.

Re. Boza - I always thought he considered was a British-based foreigner. Even he was personally "proudly British", that wouldn't change his official nationality unless he became a UK citizen. Just checked now, and BoxRec has him as American, and Wikipedia (I know, not always the best reference) has him as Ugandan. Does anybody have the definitive answer as to his official nationality at the time of his title reign? If indeed he is/was British, I'll add him.

[stujones]

You've spelt the first name of the Welsh WBO Super Featherweight champion wrong..... not that it matters as surnames is what counts - just thought I would point it out.

[IRLangmaid25]

I have done it again and ran out of steam at 40.

[oliverfennell]

Here's another one:

Can you name every British challenger for a world heavyweight title?

http://www.sporcle.com/games/oliverf/ukheavies

NB1: Only linear and big 4 titles.
NB2: Includes those who won the title when challenging.
NB3: Includes those who are scheduled to challenge in the near future.
NB4: Multiple attempts are listed just once.
NB5: Surnames only are accepted.

Again, let me know if I've missed any, but I'm pretty sure I haven't.

[RLewis]

Moran's and Baldock's world titles weren't widely accepted, were they? I know you could say the same about many world title holders, especially in more recent years, but judging by what was accepted at the time (similarly, rightly or wrongly, I wouldn't list Lee Savold among world heavyweight champs). I guess you could class them as "interim" champs, to use the modern parlance, and even though the likes of Moran and Baldock almost certainly have stronger claims to being "world champions" than, say, Jason Matthews, I wouldn't include him either.

Boza, like Bentt, Afolabi, etc, I didn't include on nationality/citizenship grounds. I know he was UK-based but was/is he actually a British citizen? Or was he at the time he held his world title?

Baldock and Hill were perhaps not completely accepted (although I would class them as the equivalent of one of the 4 governing bodies today, rather than an interim champion (like calling someone an interim undisputed champion). Likewise Len Harvey.

Moran was pretty widely accepted.

Afolabi has a British passport, was born in London and went to school in Streatham. Boza-Edwards was very proudly British during his career. And certainly as British as someone like Ted Bami.

Re. title legitimacy - quite right about Baldock, Hill and Moran vs the legitimacy of the big 4 today. That's why I said about the perception of the time. I started a thread on the "Boxers of the Past" board about the very same subject - is it right that we accept split versions of the belts today as "world championships", yet disregard the likes of the NY "version", the British "version", earlier incarnations of the IBU and NBA, and even the "coloured" world championships? Who could possibly say Joe Frazier v Buster Mathis was a lesser match than Bruce Seldon v Joe Hipp, yet it is the latter that goes into official world title recordkeeping, and not the former. So it's quite a grey area but for that reason I think we should list champions based on how they were regarded by the standards of the time.

Re. Afolabi - fair enough. I always thought he was a British-licensed Nigerian. I seem to remember he was billed out of Nigeria when he fought in the US and just assumed he was now being classed as "British" due to his UK licence (similar to Sosnowski). In any case, he has only won an interim title so far, and I'm not including interim champs in the quiz.

Re. Boza - I always thought he considered was a British-based foreigner. Even he was personally "proudly British", that wouldn't change his official nationality unless he became a UK citizen. Just checked now, and BoxRec has him as American, and Wikipedia (I know, not always the best reference) has him as Ugandan. Does anybody have the definitive answer as to his official nationality at the time of his title reign? If indeed he is/was British, I'll add him.

As far as I remember, Boza-Edwards fled Idi Amin's regime in the early 70s, was adopted (hence the Edwards bit) and had a British passport. He certainly boxed for Fitzroy Lodge as an amateur and represented Great Britain.

[the truth]

no

[oliverfennell]

no

erm

[IRLangmaid25]

I have done it again with score of 81 out of 113.

[bennie]

Johnny Caldwell is missing.

[IRLangmaid25]

I did the nicknames ne and I ran out of steam at 67.