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I am glad to say I have never paid for a Khan fight, and I never will.

Penny wise, pound fornicating stupid.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
You seem to be saying Hatton and Khan are equally deserving of a 'homecoming' PPV gimme. This isn't true though, is it?

Last week Khan was fighting McCloskey on Sky Box Office. Sky pull it off Box Office, back Khan into a corner and all of a sudden he is a greedy bastard and Sky are heroes. He's fighting the same guy. Sky are pulling it because they don't think they will make money.

Long-term, this looks like a bad move for the Khans, but they have every right to make that decision themselves. If Sky paid anything like the rights fees they did 6-7 years ago, if Sky were offering Khan Promotions the same money they offered Sports Network when Ricky Hatton fought someone like Stephen Smith this would not be an issue, but they don't and some would say they revel in being the only gig in town.

Why should the Khans do Sky any favours. They have refused to show any of their fights without cashing in on PPV (and Sky cash in as much if not more than the boxer). Most notably when Khan fought Malignaggi last year and Sky Sports News pretended the fight didn't happen.
Was Hatton worthy of a homecoming PPV gimme? Is McCloskey a more live opponent than a semi-retired Juan Lazcano?
What's more, plenty of people on here were saying that McCloskey deserved big money to face Khan - now he's a gimme?

Aren't you supposed to be the all conquering hero to get given an "homecoming" - Hatton was coming off a defeat!

Gobbles - I think both parties are at fault, but I generally agree with you. Its Sky who have changed their tune - good for the fans??? I would say yes, but at the same time cannot really "blame" Khan.

gobbles wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
You seem to be saying Hatton and Khan are equally deserving of a 'homecoming' PPV gimme. This isn't true though, is it?

Last week Khan was fighting McCloskey on Sky Box Office. Sky pull it off Box Office, back Khan into a corner and all of a sudden he is a greedy bastard and Sky are heroes. He's fighting the same guy. Sky are pulling it because they don't think they will make money.

Long-term, this looks like a bad move for the Khans, but they have every right to make that decision themselves. If Sky paid anything like the rights fees they did 6-7 years ago, if Sky were offering Khan Promotions the same money they offered Sports Network when Ricky Hatton fought someone like Stephen Smith this would not be an issue, but they don't and some would say they revel in being the only gig in town.

Why should the Khans do Sky any favours. They have refused to show any of their fights without cashing in on PPV (and Sky cash in as much if not more than the boxer). Most notably when Khan fought Malignaggi last year and Sky Sports News pretended the fight didn't happen.
Was Hatton worthy of a homecoming PPV gimme? Is McCloskey a more live opponent than a semi-retired Juan Lazcano?
What's more, plenty of people on here were saying that McCloskey deserved big money to face Khan - now he's a gimme?

I meant a gimme in terms of not having to have a robust PPV card - not the opponent. One of the reasons Sky might not have made any money from this is because the undercard was w*nk - and I don't see that as being Sky's fault. The Khans would have had money to sort this out but didn't pull it off.

You're right though...it's their decision. Personally, I think they might regret it.

It's interesting to note that Primetime's Chief Exec revealed that 90% of the people who watched their first Froch fight did so via illegal means. I would say it's likely (unless Primetime are bananas) that they won't make much more via that route than 'normal' Sky...whilst completely burning their bridges.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

gobbles wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
You seem to be saying Hatton and Khan are equally deserving of a 'homecoming' PPV gimme. This isn't true though, is it?

Last week Khan was fighting McCloskey on Sky Box Office. Sky pull it off Box Office, back Khan into a corner and all of a sudden he is a greedy bastard and Sky are heroes. He's fighting the same guy. Sky are pulling it because they don't think they will make money.

Long-term, this looks like a bad move for the Khans, but they have every right to make that decision themselves. If Sky paid anything like the rights fees they did 6-7 years ago, if Sky were offering Khan Promotions the same money they offered Sports Network when Ricky Hatton fought someone like Stephen Smith this would not be an issue, but they don't and some would say they revel in being the only gig in town.

Why should the Khans do Sky any favours. They have refused to show any of their fights without cashing in on PPV (and Sky cash in as much if not more than the boxer). Most notably when Khan fought Malignaggi last year and Sky Sports News pretended the fight didn't happen.
Was Hatton worthy of a homecoming PPV gimme? Is McCloskey a more live opponent than a semi-retired Juan Lazcano?
What's more, plenty of people on here were saying that McCloskey deserved big money to face Khan - now he's a gimme?

I meant a gimme in terms of not having to have a robust PPV card - not the opponent. One of the reasons Sky might not have made any money from this is because the undercard was w*nk - and I don't see that as being Sky's fault. The Khans would have had money to sort this out but didn't pull it off.

You're right though...it's their decision. Personally, I think they might regret it.

It's interesting to note that Primetime's Chief Exec revealed that 90% of the people who watched their first Froch fight did so via illegal means. I would say it's likely (unless Primetime are bananas) that they won't make much more via that route than 'normal' Sky...whilst completely burning their bridges.

But Team Khan are only looking short term they not thinking of the bigger picture with Sky imo.

leforge wrote: But Team Khan are only looking short term they not thinking of the bigger picture with Sky imo.

Poor move indeed.

The long term will be impacted by their decision, whether it's justified or not.

Sky look for partnerships - they analysed the situ and realised it would be a flop and took appropriate action accordingley and Khan still seem to think it will be a sure fire hit.

I can assure them that moving to Primetime will not yield them £250,000 no way.

G0mez wrote:
I can assure them that moving to Primetime will not yield them £250,000 no way.

aye, I was trying to think of a ballpark figure of what they WILL make from this

about £60,000?

will mcCloskey be fighting for next to nothing, here?

What the hell is up with the title of this thread? boycotting wtf is khan the South Africa of boxing now!

I'm no fan of boxing ppv's, infact they're probably the worst thing that's happened to boxing along with alphabet titles and 17 weight divisions but at the same time no one is forcing you to buy it so using emotive words like boycotting is a bit over the top...it'd be kind of different if the fight had originally been scheduled as a non ppv fight but we knew for months it would be one.

The fight is a homecoming, if Khan had stayed in America he would have made more money from HBO but he chose to fight at home for less money. Around 15,000 people will turn up at the M.E.N arena on saturday which outside of Haye is the biggest live audience any british boxer can get.

Agreed that the undercard is terrible but Hatton Promotions were in charge of putting that together. This has shown that Mr Warren is probably the only promoter in Britain who can put together an undercard that even comes close to be PPV worthy.

I do agree with some of the sentiments already stated on this thread though, if the fight does get shown on Primetime PPV it would be lucky to sell 20,000 buys although i assume Primetime will just use the HBO feed with a couple of British Commentators over it keeping their production costs to the bare minimum therefore they could still make a small profit.

I'm not boycotting it but at the same time I won't be buying it. It isn't value for money and over the last couple of years we've all been mugs with some of the PPV we have brought. Yes, Haye v Harrison was a farce with the amount of boxing they actually showed but instead of saying "well it's not as bad as Haye v Harrison" i'm once bitten, twice shy.

Sure I would watch it on normal Sky, it's still a massive step up from your normal Saturday fight night crap, but Haye v Klitschko is the only PPV I'm willing to buy at the moment.

Of course there is a good chance I'll fold and end up buying it 5 minutes before the broadcast starts...

With no sky who would provided the cameras for hbo. Someone going to have to get a camera crew and technical team which primetime have not.

leforge wrote:With no sky who would provided the cameras for hbo. Someone going to have to get a camera crew and technical team which primetime have not.

Vary valied points Leforge, Any one got a camcorder and Saturday night off!!

exittored wrote:What the hell is up with the title of this thread? boycotting wtf is khan the South Africa of boxing now!

I'm no fan of boxing ppv's, infact they're probably the worst thing that's happened to boxing along with alphabet titles and 17 weight divisions but at the same time no one is forcing you to buy it so using emotive words like boycotting is a bit over the top...it'd be kind of different if the fight had originally been scheduled as a non ppv fight but we knew for months it would be one.

The fight is a homecoming, if Khan had stayed in America he would have made more money from HBO but he chose to fight at home for less money. Around 15,000 people will turn up at the M.E.N arena on saturday which outside of Haye is the biggest live audience any british boxer can get.

Agreed that the undercard is terrible but Hatton Promotions were in charge of putting that together. This has shown that Mr Warren is probably the only promoter in Britain who can put together an undercard that even comes close to be PPV worthy.

I do agree with some of the sentiments already stated on this thread though, if the fight does get shown on Primetime PPV it would be lucky to sell 20,000 buys although i assume Primetime will just use the HBO feed with a couple of British Commentators over it keeping their production costs to the bare minimum therefore they could still make a small profit.

I very much doubt he'd be making more money if he stayed in the states. There is much more money for UK fighters over here. All this talk of a homecoming is a load of tosh too, what's he had? 2 fights in the states? If he doesn't generate a solid following in this country then he'll struggle to get the really big fights as he won't be able to put the cash together to entice them. Hatton got the Mayweather & Pacquiao fights by being able to offer them around £20m. The big casinos wanted him as he brought over thousands of fans. The Americans don't pay big money to many fighters outside of a few superstars, especially to foreigners

freddydoesdallas wrote:

exittored wrote:What the hell is up with the title of this thread? boycotting wtf is khan the South Africa of boxing now!

I'm no fan of boxing ppv's, infact they're probably the worst thing that's happened to boxing along with alphabet titles and 17 weight divisions but at the same time no one is forcing you to buy it so using emotive words like boycotting is a bit over the top...it'd be kind of different if the fight had originally been scheduled as a non ppv fight but we knew for months it would be one.

The fight is a homecoming, if Khan had stayed in America he would have made more money from HBO but he chose to fight at home for less money. Around 15,000 people will turn up at the M.E.N arena on saturday which outside of Haye is the biggest live audience any british boxer can get.

Agreed that the undercard is terrible but Hatton Promotions were in charge of putting that together. This has shown that Mr Warren is probably the only promoter in Britain who can put together an undercard that even comes close to be PPV worthy.

I do agree with some of the sentiments already stated on this thread though, if the fight does get shown on Primetime PPV it would be lucky to sell 20,000 buys although i assume Primetime will just use the HBO feed with a couple of British Commentators over it keeping their production costs to the bare minimum therefore they could still make a small profit.

I very much doubt he'd be making more money if he stayed in the states. There is much more money for UK fighters over here. All this talk of a homecoming is a load of tosh too, what's he had? 2 fights in the states? If he doesn't generate a solid following in this country then he'll struggle to get the really big fights as he won't be able to put the cash together to entice them. Hatton got the Mayweather & Pacquiao fights by being able to offer them around £20m. The big casinos wanted him as he brought over thousands of fans. The Americans don't pay big money to many fighters outside of a few superstars, especially to foreigners

Actually Khan is the only British boxer that dosen't need British tv to make big money, he was paid around $1 million by HBO for his fights with Maidana and Malignaggi and probably around $600,000 for his fight with Paul McCloskey and will make around $1.5 million from the Bradley fight in July. Assuming he beats Timmy, he would then be in line for the annual Mayweather PPV sweep stakes later in the year which could net him around $5 to $10 million.

He's virtually boycotting it himself by moving to primetime.

Like it or lump it, sky are the 'superpower' to get a boxer good money in this country and he's just shot himself in the foot bigtime

Is it definitely on Primetime then??

Exit, those figures aren't that great though when you think about it. The gates are non existent over there, he'll pack in 15,000 over here (average it out at £100 per buyer and it's a lot), then throw in the advertising & money from sky and he's already well above that figure.

$1m is roughly £600k. Khan would still be getting more than that for this fight

If it's on Primetime and £15 then I won't buy it, £10 I might be tempted

I am beginning to wonder if this is going ahead or not, never normally buy into these things abouts fights in doubt etc but this has
me thinking, there are so many problems in switching it to Primetime, hence presumably why they have no advert up or anything official
from anyone saying its on/off.

Going to be so wrong I know but I am not 100 per cent convinced about the primetime thing. I can see this ending up back on skysports, with some hard negotiation between both and some bonus payable to Khan for something
or the other.

Wish they would all make there minds up though.

I can't see it happening now unless they (Team Khan) really want to try and stick two fingers up to the tv companies and go dark but as this is all about the money then there's no chance of that. It's not fair on the fans, especially the ones travelling from Ireland. Hopefully they'll get ticket refunds easily.

i like Khan but not Team Khan.... penny pinching gobshites

however i wont be Boycotting the fight but im not paying... cause i cant be assed setting up an account with Primetime... im just too lazy.... if i cant do it with the remote i aint bothering !

No way am I shelling out anything for this fight. It's not worth £15 and that is the regular price of PPV's at the moment, I wouldn't even pay a fiver. I can't see 'Primetime' touching this event tbh either, unless they can get it done on the cheap, which is probably why no annoucement has been made yet. If they are doing it on the cheap, then seriously, what's the point in paying for it?! We are being taken for a ride.

I'm actually starting to think that the whole event is going to fall through anyway. Could be a few more interesting statements made first though before an injury hits Khan...

No so much a boycott as lack of desire for the hunt from myself.

G0mez wrote:I was coming round to him after Maidana,

But the Ariza thing and now this jumped-up attitude and approach to them milking every last bloody cent out of the British public leaves me cold.

Were all racists so im leaving UK, McCracken is shit for not picking Harry Khan, his chaviness, his team, hand picking opponents, bragging and general aura and they way they treated Oliver, the Cuban - it's always someone's fault and never his.

He's just a thick nob.

Obsessed by fiddling every last dime out of any situation.

The way they broke into Ariza's hotel room shows the class of the them all for me I'm afraid - anything to get out of paying anything.

Well guess what pal, your not getting a cent out of me.

I think he's likeable and a nice kid actually. However it doesn't look great when you start adding up the various issues he or his team have had. You forgot the weird cock pics and messages he sent.

So cock pics
treatment of Ariza
Treatment of Harrison
Treatment of Sky
Treatment of the british fans
Treatment of Warren who got him his world title
Treatment of Rubio the scapegoat
what was said about the same GB squad that gave him his chance despite being so young and unproven

The guy is a phenom as a fighter but tthere is something unashamedly selfish about the way he goes about things- and I say he as in his team. They need a PR guy or something.

I must confess I am boycotting it.

I was torn between the boxing and the snooker this weekend, and when it was announced that Sky weren't going to charge for it, I thought about watching it. I don't have Sky, but I could've gone round my parents to watch it, or got them to Sky Plus it.

As Khan wanted an even bigger piece of the pie, he moved to a shitty obscure channel, that even the people who fight on it (Froch) do only because no real channels have picked him up. As far as I'm concerned, Amir can get stuffed. And I hope Sky tell him that.

It'll serve Amir right if nobody pays to watch this fight, and then Sky don't want to show him again because he messed them about. His head is so far up his own arse these days, he doesn't realise that he'll get the rewards reserved for fighting top contenders, when he fights top contenders.

Jeff Thomas wrote: Treatment of Warren who got him his world title

Well, can't feel too much sympathy towards Allegedly, can you?