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Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 10:03
by Ketchel
Loynesy wrote:
AlexY2K4 wrote:
slapbangwhallop wrote: 'they're both actually British' actually they're not.

Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts. :TU:
This has always genuinely confused me. I can completely accept the fact that Northern Ireland is definitely part of the United Kingdom, but as Great Britain is an island, I've never fully understood the notion that Northern Irish people can even be eligible for British nationality, since they are from the island of Ireland, not Britain. I understand that they are not nationals of the Republic of Ireland, but at the same time, how can they represent an island (Britain) that they are not from?

Which leads me to the bit I find most confusing. If Britain is an island and the United Kingdom is the sovereign nation, why do we even have a British nationality? Great Britain is not a recognised sovereign state. I know it would be difficult to find a sensible-sounding name for this nationality, since United Kingdomish would sound utterly ridiculous, but it seems logical, and would certainly clarify the Northern Irish situation, as they are clearly part of the nation of the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland.

Sorry, just a little 2:30am rant.
Legally, under the British Nationality Act (which I think was 1981), all citizens of the United Kingdom ie Great Britain and Northern Ireland (and some other random places) are deemed to be British Citizens. As others have pointed out, there are then other laws whereby citizens of Northern Ireland and also choose Irish citizenship.

I agree calling us all British citizens is a bit miselading.

We in the British Isles are all British until we start losing then its "the unfortuneate Scotsman", "the unlucky Irishman" etc. Now I've noticed that British citizen Chisora is now being refered to as Zimbabwean in a few quarters including some forum posts. If he ever wins a world crown he'll revert to being as British as pie and mash.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 10:19
by IRLangmaid25
I must admit I like the look of this fight actually when you think about it because you have got two guys with a crowd pleasing style who always give it their all in the ring and it is a good croads fight as well because Fury wants to push on for European and World title honours and Rogan is probably angling for a British title shot at least against the winner of David Price and Sam Sexton for the titles which Fury vacated for reasons that will continue to generate considerable debate on this forum, but I think Fury beat Rogan as he has too much power and is the younger and has been the more active of the two.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 13:22
by bripez
FtmPress wrote:Fury will go any where he dose not have to face a real oppen. Please a few years ago this would have be a real fight look how old Rogan looked on saturday night Look at the last time he boxed 20.11.2010
and age 41. Some move into world title race.
Yeah you are right - wait till he starts boxing world class opponents like Price eh ??? ...............

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 18:08
by Bard of Boxrec
Does anyone actually find it pretty hilarious how much of a polar opposite this video is to the Haye/Chisora brawl, it was like they orchestrated every single detail to be the inverse of what was going down in Berlin.

Suited and booted gentlemen: Check
Genteel, affectionate words for each other and each other's team: Check
A little bit of amiable good humour: Check
Handshakes: Check
Everything in the boxing ring! Check

MEANWHILE...IN AN EVIL LAND FAR, FAR AWAY...

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 22 Feb 2012, 22:43
by Grilling Machine
AlexY2K4 wrote:This has always genuinely confused me. I can completely accept the fact that Northern Ireland is definitely part of the United Kingdom, but as Great Britain is an island, I've never fully understood the notion that Northern Irish people can even be eligible for British nationality, since they are from the island of Ireland, not Britain.
England, Scotland and Wales make up Great Britain, while the UK is Great Britain plus Northern Ireland - like you say, and then the whole lot are British Isles.

So the only difference is between British and Great British, but we don't bother with the latter.

As for the fight, it won't be pretty, but it should be engaging.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 08:42
by Bard of Boxrec
withoutthee88 wrote:Seth Mitchell would kill Tyson Fury in the ring.
Jesus, I had no idea this troll was going to pollute the British forum. Buddy, go back to the current scene please.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 09:03
by Asterix
Riddick Blowe wrote:
withoutthee88 wrote:Seth Mitchell would kill Tyson Fury in the ring.
Jesus, I had no idea this troll was going to pollute the British forum. Buddy, go back to the current scene please.
Don't worry, he was banned earlier (not by me).

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 13:10
by Khaosai-Galaxy
It did indeed fly under the radar.

The reason being that it is not what people want to see.

Low quality fighters behaving themselves isnt a massive turn on to most people.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 13:47
by milpool
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:It did indeed fly under the radar.

The reason being that it is not what people want to see.

Low quality fighters behaving themselves isnt a massive turn on to most people.
Sad but possibly true...

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 13:54
by Khaosai-Galaxy
milpool wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:It did indeed fly under the radar.

The reason being that it is not what people want to see.

Low quality fighters behaving themselves isnt a massive turn on to most people.
Sad but possibly true...

Not that Chisora is high quality at all, having watched the fight again i thought he was pretty awful really.

Re: It flew under the radar...

Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 17:33
by Yes We Can
withoutthee88 wrote:
Asterix wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote: Jesus, I had no idea this troll was going to pollute the British forum. Buddy, go back to the current scene please.
Don't worry, he was banned earlier (not by me).
Yeah I was banned because I was accused of being Tyson88's alt. Why? I have no idea. I am assuming because we both have 88 in our usernames. After clearing that up, they let me back in.

Here, watch Seth Mitchell concuss one of Europe's best heavyweights...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8AiWNjOwY
He was a troll also, kudos though on picking a similar name and being nearly, but not quite as annoying.