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It's not like they are being let out of prison for the fight to take place, and there are no calls for either man to be extradited.

They are both fit and healthy.

If they do wrong out of the ring then let the police decide the punishment, not the BBBofC.

There was and is no reason for this fight not to go ahead.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

dondada wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
It makes a profit.

Oh, right. Thanks for that.

My pleasure.

Anything else i can help you with?

Yes - thanks for the offer. I can't find any evidence to support your statement that it makes a profit. Their accounts aren't even due until October.

So, if you could send me this info, that would be spot on - thanks.

johnswan1 wrote:It's not like they are being let out of prison for the fight to take place, and there are no calls for either man to be extradited.

They are both fit and healthy.

If they do wrong out of the ring then let the police decide the punishment, not the BBBofC.

There was and is no reason for this fight not to go ahead.

Could not agree more.

dondada wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

dondada wrote: Oh, right. Thanks for that.

My pleasure.

Anything else i can help you with?

Yes - thanks for the offer. I can't find any evidence to support your statement that it makes a profit. Their accounts aren't even due until October.

So, if you could send me this info, that would be spot on - thanks.

You need to look harder.

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

x 2 - although I share the view of Twenty six somewhat about the fight. I think twenty six might go OTT in calling it a crap fight - but it is certainly more hype than substance. Its been described as the Biggest fight in British boxing history - one of these fighters has lost 3 of his last 4 fights, and the other stank the place out in his last two fights.

Its a good, competitive(ish), European level fight (not a legitimate world title eliminator as described on this thread) - but without the hype it wouldn't even be close to a stadium seller.

People scoffed at Chisora being awarded a world title fight, and yes - he went on to lose this fight by 8 rounds.... now people are saying he is worthy of fighting in a world title eliminator.

This hype job that seems to be happening in British boxing is what is damaging the sport. Great for short term, terrible for long term. The two most recent "hyped" fights in British boxing.... Haye vs Harrison, Groves vs Degale. Look what happend, both were stinkers and both I think cause more long term harm than good (even though Haye vs Harrison especially did great at the box office).

A shame about Groves and Degale - both lovely boxers, evenly matched - but hyped beyond believe - it was nothing more than a British title fight.

Glyn, you mention Chisora a lot - what about your views on Haye and the LBF - given that the BBBoC noted that Haye would have a lot to answer for should he request a licence.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

dondada wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
My pleasure.

Anything else i can help you with?

Yes - thanks for the offer. I can't find any evidence to support your statement that it makes a profit. Their accounts aren't even due until October.

So, if you could send me this info, that would be spot on - thanks.

You need to look harder.

You're right there. Very f*cking hard.

In a nutshell, Haye has no license and Chisoras license is suspended, therefore they should not be eligible to fight. Rules are made in order to protect boxers, the sport in question and overall prevent a state of chaos. Unfortunately certain greedy people believe that rules are made to be broken or ignored when there is money to be made, indeed breaking rules may actually make more money as the riff raff element of the crowd seem to like nothing better than to see some 'bad boys' fighting.
Just dont be surprised if this situation leads to boxing being dragged even lower in this country, and becoming even more of a fringe sport frequented by louts and beerbellies eating their latest kebab.

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Good summary

It's not the mega world class epic some are trying to make out but it's a decent Euro-level match.

fatcity69 wrote:In a nutshell, Haye has no license and Chisoras license is suspended, therefore they should not be eligible to fight. Rules are made in order to protect boxers, the sport in question and overall prevent a state of chaos. Unfortunately certain greedy people believe that rules are made to be broken or ignored when there is money to be made, indeed breaking rules may actually make more money as the riff raff element of the crowd seem to like nothing better than to see some 'bad boys' fighting.
Just dont be surprised if this situation leads to boxing being dragged even lower in this country, and becoming even more of a fringe sport frequented by louts and beerbellies eating their latest kebab.

Rhetorical nonsnse.

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Rules are rules?

And the Nazi's were just following orders.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:In a nutshell, Haye has no license and Chisoras license is suspended, therefore they should not be eligible to fight. Rules are made in order to protect boxers, the sport in question and overall prevent a state of chaos. Unfortunately certain greedy people believe that rules are made to be broken or ignored when there is money to be made, indeed breaking rules may actually make more money as the riff raff element of the crowd seem to like nothing better than to see some 'bad boys' fighting.
Just dont be surprised if this situation leads to boxing being dragged even lower in this country, and becoming even more of a fringe sport frequented by louts and beerbellies eating their latest kebab.

Rhetorical nonsnse.

KG, as a man who was boasting a few weeks ago about not watching boxing any more, you now seem all hot and erect up about this proposed fight.

What is it that has got you barred up?

Or are you having a laugh?

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Rules are rules?

And the Nazi's were just following orders.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh, calm down!

As a man who claims boxing is now crap, you do seem a bit worked up.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Rules are rules?

And the Nazi's were just following orders.

A mite simplistic there KG! What rules should and shouldn't be followed then? Boxing is a sport, rules are integral. Should footballers be allowed to throw the ball into the net? Should sprinters be allowed to use motorbikes? Should boxers who have failed their brainscans by given licences anyway? You can't pick and choose according to what rules you might like on any given day otherwise you would get anarchy. If rules are to be changed it need not be done by breaking them first, although that obviously provides a possible shortcut for the impatient. But you sign up for the rules that are in place and should play by them IMO.

Stu - At least as long as Chisora was given IMO

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Not for the 1st time, i am baffled by some of the reactions on here to this BBBoC, EBU blah blah blah Chisora - Haye situation.

Has the whole world lost its effing mind?

Both fighters are physically at their peak, no medical issues, the public interest is immense due to the brawl in Germany and the fight is a legitimate world title eliminator between 2 British fighters.

This is what boxing is all about.

Oh wait, no. The BBBoC have decided that because of that brawl in Germany, the fight cant go ahead and some people on here are actually pleased about it?


Get your heads out of your arses and see the bigger picture.

Boxing fans who dont want to see boxing fights and a board of control who agree?

I will tell you why!
Because you will open the Pandora’s box, think of it like this, Luxemburg or any other body, then has a free rein to stage boxing shows, without permission from anybody’s jurisdiction you want to, not just in Britain, but in any country, as would every other authority be able to do the same, that means, suspension/banning a fighter' control of the sport mean's fk all, as you just move to the next body, you can then have a situation where you can have British fighters, fighting for the the Luxemburg British title on British soil and so on, unification fights of British titles and other invented Belts ect, we already have too many world body's , we will never know who the real champ is! politics (no control) The BBBoC are right to make a massive stance, as are all the other governing bodies of the world right to support BBBoC, as next time it may be them under attack, above is only a small bit of what can happen with no authority, in fact sack the police let’s have a riot.

I too would like to see this fight, but not at the expense of the future of licensed boxing.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Rules are rules?

And the Nazi's were just following orders.

So now you are comparing the BBBC with the Nazis?????.... what utter nonsense and stupidity. The Nazi's believed that they were above the rules that govern the masses and that the laws of right and wrong were different for them because they were 'special' and the chosen ones. Theres a little message in there if you can/care to read it son.

Would it have been ok for the Nevada commission to try and stop Margarito or Tyson fighting in their state if either had turned up with a Tennessee license after their respective bans?
Do people think that Chisora's actions should have been ignored after his actions in Munich or is a ban a reasonable punishment?
If you feel punishments should have been handed out, do you agree the BBBoC were the correct body to deal with this?
If Chisora misbehaves again who should have the right to punish him now!

hoot wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Not for the 1st time, i am baffled by some of the reactions on here to this BBBoC, EBU blah blah blah Chisora - Haye situation.

Has the whole world lost its effing mind?

Both fighters are physically at their peak, no medical issues, the public interest is immense due to the brawl in Germany and the fight is a legitimate world title eliminator between 2 British fighters.

This is what boxing is all about.

Oh wait, no. The BBBoC have decided that because of that brawl in Germany, the fight cant go ahead and some people on here are actually pleased about it?


Get your heads out of your arses and see the bigger picture.

Boxing fans who dont want to see boxing fights and a board of control who agree?

I will tell you why!
Because you will open the Pandora’s box, think of it like this, Luxemburg or any other body, then has a free rein to stage boxing shows, without permission from anybody’s jurisdiction you want to, not just in Britain, but in any country, as would every other authority be able to do the same, that means, suspension/banning a fighter' control of the sport mean's fk all, as you just move to the next body, you can then have a situation where you can have British fighters, fighting for the the Luxemburg British title on British soil and so on, unification fights of British titles and other invented Belts ect, we already have too many world body's , we will never know who the real champ is! politics (no control) The BBBoC are right to make a massive stance, as are all the other governing bodies of the world right to support BBBoC, as next time it may be them under attack, above is only a small bit of what can happen with no authority, in fact sack the police let’s have a riot.

I too would like to see this fight, but not at the expense of the future of licensed boxing.

Very well put. Why have any rules if they get in the way of what we want?. Want a new TV but cant afford it?... never mind, lets smash in a shop window and take one!.... where does it end???. Look back to last summers riots and you can see. This is the bigger picture that people need to look at rather than two overhyped misfits who will probably only produce a snorefest if they eventually get to 'fight' for 'real'.

Coco wrote:Would it have been ok for the Nevada commission to try and stop Margarito or Tyson fighting in their state if either had turned up with a Tennessee license after their respective bans?
Do people think that Chisora's actions should have been ignored after his actions in Munich or is a ban a reasonable punishment?
If you feel punishments should have been handed out, do you agree the BBBoC were the correct body to deal with this?
If Chisora misbehaves again who should have the right to punish him now!

I do not believe that either Margarito or Tyson should have been allowed to fight again following their respective nights of shame. Ofcourse now their cases are used as examples as to why the likes of Haye and Chisora are really angels in disguise.

twenty six wrote:Khaosai,
Can I just ask if you believe this fight would be even spoken about, let alone happening had Haye not retired, and Chisora not been suspended ?
You can't understand the fuss with the Board etc, I don't understand the fuss about the fight period regardless of all the shinanigans.
I don't care if they fight in the UK Mongolia Luxemburg or Marbella.
I'm only interested in the fight and for me it's a crap fight.

Its a fight a few people got interested in after chisora's good performance against helenius, obviously since the brawl it's gone global, it is a great fight between two British guys and it's 50/50. There's no way it's crap, I'm sure your be watching or at least interested in the result !

Giancarlo wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

fatcity69 wrote:In a nutshell, Haye has no license and Chisoras license is suspended, therefore they should not be eligible to fight. Rules are made in order to protect boxers, the sport in question and overall prevent a state of chaos. Unfortunately certain greedy people believe that rules are made to be broken or ignored when there is money to be made, indeed breaking rules may actually make more money as the riff raff element of the crowd seem to like nothing better than to see some 'bad boys' fighting.
Just dont be surprised if this situation leads to boxing being dragged even lower in this country, and becoming even more of a fringe sport frequented by louts and beerbellies eating their latest kebab.

Rhetorical nonsnse.

KG, as a man who was boasting a few weeks ago about not watching boxing any more, you now seem all hot and erect up about this proposed fight.

What is it that has got you barred up?

Or are you having a laugh?

Take a wild guess...

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

dondada wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Ummmmm, how so?


The channel had been financially successful so far.


Once again, heads out of arses gents.

Really? How so?

It makes a profit.

How do you know? Posted accounts have they?

fatcity69 wrote:

hoot wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Not for the 1st time, i am baffled by some of the reactions on here to this BBBoC, EBU blah blah blah Chisora - Haye situation.

Has the whole world lost its effing mind?

Both fighters are physically at their peak, no medical issues, the public interest is immense due to the brawl in Germany and the fight is a legitimate world title eliminator between 2 British fighters.

This is what boxing is all about.

Oh wait, no. The BBBoC have decided that because of that brawl in Germany, the fight cant go ahead and some people on here are actually pleased about it?


Get your heads out of your arses and see the bigger picture.

Boxing fans who dont want to see boxing fights and a board of control who agree?

I will tell you why!
Because you will open the Pandora’s box, think of it like this, Luxemburg or any other body, then has a free rein to stage boxing shows, without permission from anybody’s jurisdiction you want to, not just in Britain, but in any country, as would every other authority be able to do the same, that means, suspension/banning a fighter' control of the sport mean's fk all, as you just move to the next body, you can then have a situation where you can have British fighters, fighting for the the Luxemburg British title on British soil and so on, unification fights of British titles and other invented Belts ect, we already have too many world body's , we will never know who the real champ is! politics (no control) The BBBoC are right to make a massive stance, as are all the other governing bodies of the world right to support BBBoC, as next time it may be them under attack, above is only a small bit of what can happen with no authority, in fact sack the police let’s have a riot.

I too would like to see this fight, but not at the expense of the future of licensed boxing.

Very well put. Why have any rules if they get in the way of what we want?. Want a new TV but cant afford it?... never mind, lets smash in a shop window and take one!.... where does it end???. Look back to last summers riots and you can see. This is the bigger picture that people need to look at rather than two overhyped misfits who will probably only produce a snorefest if they eventually get to 'fight' for 'real'.

I love the "where does it end" argument. You can apply it to anything.

2 men having a pint in the local pub, where does it end? Sucking each other off down a dark alley???

fatcity69 wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:For me, Chisora is on a 'ban' and that's my only objection to a fight I am looking forward to. His licence was withdrawn rather than suspended or lost, but the overall effect is temporary ban. Not getting into the difference between each and the loophole in the Board's ruling that has been exploited, nor am I entering into 'should Chisora have had his licence taken away?' The fact is he is currently without a British licence due to disciplinary action. You could argue that six months is a long enough period for what he did in Munich and that he should be allowed to fight in July with a BBBofC licence. It's unfortunate that the appeal hearing was postponed to July. Had it taken place on the original date a couple of months ago, none of this might be happening. My head is in favour of the fight but my heart is telling me it isn't right. Rules are rules. Fair or not, the rules should be adhered to in my opinion and they are not in this case.

Rules are rules?

And the Nazi's were just following orders.

So now you are comparing the BBBC with the Nazis?????.... what utter nonsense and stupidity. The Nazi's believed that they were above the rules that govern the masses and that the laws of right and wrong were different for them because they were 'special' and the chosen ones. Theres a little message in there if you can/care to read it son.

I cant.

I find it incredible that you all think this fight is still going to happen !!!

In the unlikely event of it actually taking place , it means all those involved have actually no moral principles whatsoever . You have an absolute cowardly moron fighting a money grabbing big head and you all want to see this and make them and others , wealthy .

Has anybody heard anything about the respective training camps ? I'm assuming for this great battle they will be well into their training schedule by now .

Trust me - Haye injuries his back at the beginning of July .

Coco wrote:Would it have been ok for the Nevada commission to try and stop Margarito or Tyson fighting in their state if either had turned up with a Tennessee license after their respective bans?
Do people think that Chisora's actions should have been ignored after his actions in Munich or is a ban a reasonable punishment?
If you feel punishments should have been handed out, do you agree the BBBoC were the correct body to deal with this?
If Chisora misbehaves again who should have the right to punish him now!

Muhammed Ali was banned by the Nevada commission for non boxing reasons and so fought Jerry Quary in Georgia, the only state that would license him.

Was that right?