Scrap wrote:Knowing why the Head, controls the Posterior Chain
I thought the pelvis did
It controls everything, The Oral Cavity. Body's there to Transport it, If its in the wrong place everything is, Posture to Do is Lost, to maximize Force.
Hearns was a feather-fisted amateur who became one of the hardest punchers of all time, or I should say most effective. Not sure how “hard” his punches were but they were accurate and fast, which is partly why he was still KOing guys at 175.
It’s a combination of technique, accuracy and body proportions. Some guys like Foreman seem to hit guys on top of the head and drop them, very heavy handed…opponents can see it coming but still go down. Guys like Hearns, Leonard land right on the button, opponents don’t see them coming.
Despite never really throwing an official punch in my life, I would say it's down to speed, timing and mainly technique. The only thing I can compare it to is football.
I am not the biggest, strongest or have the most muscular legs in my football team, or any other team I've played in, but I can kick the ball a ton harder and faster than anyone else I've ever played with. It's always been a gift of mine and the only thing I can put it down to is technique.
I may be way off, but I assume throwing a foot at a target is similar to throwing a fist in terms of how power is generated.
EDIT: may be worth noting too, I can also throw things (balls etc) further than anyone I've ever competed against, but I have no idea if I can punch hard at all (for the record, I don't think I do).
I've got a really hard shot, once broke a guy's wrist with one.... and can hit a long ball when playing both cricket and golf, all three instances it's brute force and timing rather than anything else.
youngrell wrote:I would say it's down to speed, timing and mainly technique.
I have always thought this.
Does that mean that big punchers have that inate natural ability to consistently deliver the speed, timing and technique without really thinking about it ?
A bit like if you have ever played golf or tennis or kicked a ball - sometimes if you put a lot of force and really try to whack the ball it doesn't go far, but every now and again by accident you will hit it without trying (and strangely it will not "feel" as though you have hit it hard) it actually goes for miles ?
This is probably what separates them from the regular people - those who consistently hit the ball (or whatever) on the sweet spot, and those that do it every blue moon by accident !
youngrell wrote:I would say it's down to speed, timing and mainly technique.
I have always thought this.
Does that mean that big punchers have that inate natural ability to consistently deliver the speed, timing and technique without really thinking about it ?
A bit like if you have ever played golf or tennis or kicked a ball - sometimes if you put a lot of force and really try to whack the ball it doesn't go far, but every now and again by accident you will hit it without trying (and strangely it will not "feel" as though you have hit it hard) it actually goes for miles ?
This is probably what separates them from the regular people - those who consistently hit the ball (or whatever) on the sweet spot, and those that do it every blue moon by accident !
Golf is another good one. I can drive the ball further than my mates, and like you say it is usually the smooth swing that does that rather than trying to smash the ball as hard as possible.
Scrap wrote:Speed and Power and Technique, come from the position, of the Top 3 Vertebrae.
Based on the above, I assume that there is an optimal positioning of the top 3 vertebrae (this must be different for everybody as we are all individuals with individual body types, heights, weights and composition etc.).
Also, is it be possible for the top 3 vertebrae to be positioned in their optimum position (eg, by training, manipulation - physio etc) ?
b0ndl1ne wrote:I have a small fist, a skinny wrist and thin forearms and I have no power at all. A close friend has a big fist, thick wrist and big forearms and punches like a mule.
I have a thin wrist, thin forearms, and I was told by many far better amateurs who went on to be quite decent pros that i had an incredible dig in my left and right hands. I bumped into Marc Callaghan the former British title challenger once in the Kronk about 11 years ago and he said my left hook was one of the most powerful he had felt on the mitts for someone my size. That was quite a compliment coming from Marc as he in those short few weeks i spent at the Kronk mesmerised me with his skills and speed and was a very polite approachable guy.
I still have a decent dig im told but Id trade it in any day for the speed and reflexes i had as a youngster. When u get into your 30s and arent able to train regularly and have loads of layoffs it does make a huge difference. I tried a bit of sparring with some younger lads who do train last year and took a fairly decent hiding to be honest i did pick it up after a few weeks but the loss of speed is a bigger thing to me . The power is no good without the speed, and timing and reflexes to deliver the shot.....I have a huge respect for all pro boxers in their mid 30s and beyond
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Scrap wrote:Speed and Power and Technique, come from the position, of the Top 3 Vertebrae.
Based on the above, I assume that there is an optimal positioning of the top 3 vertebrae (this must be different for everybody as we are all individuals with individual body types, heights, weights and composition etc.).
Also, is it be possible for the top 3 vertebrae to be positioned in their optimum position (eg, by training, manipulation - physio etc) ?
youngrell wrote:I would say it's down to speed, timing and mainly technique.
I have always thought this.
Does that mean that big punchers have that inate natural ability to consistently deliver the speed, timing and technique without really thinking about it ?
A bit like if you have ever played golf or tennis or kicked a ball - sometimes if you put a lot of force and really try to whack the ball it doesn't go far, but every now and again by accident you will hit it without trying (and strangely it will not "feel" as though you have hit it hard) it actually goes for miles ?
This is probably what separates them from the regular people - those who consistently hit the ball (or whatever) on the sweet spot, and those that do it every blue moon by accident !
Golf is another good one. I can drive the ball further than my mates, and like you say it is usually the smooth swing that does that rather than trying to smash the ball as hard as possible.
youngrell wrote:Despite never really throwing an official punch in my life, I would say it's down to speed, timing and mainly technique. The only thing I can compare it to is football.
I am not the biggest, strongest or have the most muscular legs in my football team, or any other team I've played in, but I can kick the ball a ton harder and faster than anyone else I've ever played with. It's always been a gift of mine and the only thing I can put it down to is technique.
I may be way off, but I assume throwing a foot at a target is similar to throwing a fist in terms of how power is generated.
EDIT: may be worth noting too, I can also throw things (balls etc) further than anyone I've ever competed against, but I have no idea if I can punch hard at all (for the record, I don't think I do).
ever thought about going pro mate lol you seem to good at a lot of things lol
Scrap wrote:Speed and Power and Technique, come from the position, of the Top 3 Vertebrae.
Based on the above, I assume that there is an optimal positioning of the top 3 vertebrae (this must be different for everybody as we are all individuals with individual body types, heights, weights and composition etc.).
Also, is it be possible for the top 3 vertebrae to be positioned in their optimum position (eg, by training, manipulation - physio etc) ?
Simply, Yes. Chin should be in, not down, by stretching the Shoulders and upper Back, there should not be a problem. Its putting the top 8 vertebrata in line you generate Power, Speed, and good posture, Balance. Take a look at Sprinters out of interest, thats the Top Guys in most sports.
Haye's a fast-twitch guy with huge acceleration, but I feel that most plyometrically gifted punchers of his type have a short window of maximum power. I wouldn't be surprised if Haye generates a higher initial force - through acceleration - than Shavers did, but his power diminishes much earlier due to plyo reliance.
Then you've weight and build. Shavers was comparatively plodding, but his punches had a very long window of optimum force (ditto Foreman's and a few other's). Haye's overhands are typically looped, so there's less weight behind them to resist the impact compression. Shavers' punches had massive compression resistance, due to his very strong forearms and shoulders. Earnie also had a low centre of gravity for a heavy - he was quite short - with a good amount of torso weight to plant his legs under.
Just to add, I had one stoppage in 20 fights - I did score a few knockdowns, and chinned a few in sparring and the amateurs but a lot of people who padded me said I was very heavy handed. Perhaps they were just been kind but I feel that force production is only part of what causes the knockout.
Go to any top ten KO compilation and you'll find one commonality between all the clips... The guy getting ko'd never sees the shot that puts him out coming.
i did pick it up after a few weeks but the loss of speed is a bigger thing to me . The power is no good without the speed, and timing and reflexes to deliver the shot.....I have a huge respect for all pro boxers in their mid 30s and beyond
