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Bullets For You wrote:Its odd that the BBBC pulls Sid's license but let 44 year old Mike Holden (not fought since 2009, knocked down and only able to draw with 4 - 25 - 4 Tomas Mrazek, not allowed to take part in Prizefighter) to fight the unbeaten Dillian Whyte

Consistency?

Fat Git wrote:

bigped wrote:you keep on withdrawing guys like these licenses be no decent journey men left.

And 'prospects' will have to fight each other! Oh no! How terrible!

billy bessey wrote:Good on the bbbc they should make more of a stance on it. The lad has won 1 out of the last 86 rounds he has competed in this is a professional sport where people should try to win and be able to do so what other PROFESSIONAL sports has serial losers in it like ours?

P.s don't tell me cos his the away fighter he should have won a lot more than he has 1 round won from 86 good on you Bbbc let's see more of it

billy bessey wrote:

rhino222 wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Good on the bbbc they should make more of a stance on it. The lad has won 1 out of the last 86 rounds he has competed in this is a professional sport where people should try to win and be able to do so what other PROFESSIONAL sports has serial losers in it like ours?

P.s don't tell me cos his the away fighter he should have won a lot more than he has 1 round won from 86 good on you Bbbc let's see more of it

good words billy, i get slated on here normally for moaning that fighters do not try to win!

It frustrates me sooooooo much people on here don't seem bothered about it at all and say well at least the lads are getting the rounds in it gets right on my moohassive moobs

billy bessey wrote:Good on the bbbc they should make more of a stance on it. The lad has won 1 out of the last 86 rounds he has competed in this is a professional sport where people should try to win and be able to do so what other PROFESSIONAL sports has serial losers in it like ours?

P.s don't tell me cos his the away fighter he should have won a lot more than he has 1 round won from 86 good on you Bbbc let's see more of it

bripez wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Good on the bbbc they should make more of a stance on it. The lad has won 1 out of the last 86 rounds he has competed in this is a professional sport where people should try to win and be able to do so what other PROFESSIONAL sports has serial losers in it like ours?

P.s don't tell me cos his the away fighter he should have won a lot more than he has 1 round won from 86 good on you Bbbc let's see more of it

I agree with all your comments on this thread Billy.

To be honest - it is even worse than that.

A boxer who is considered a journeyman is expected to put up an element of resistance, but ultimately to lose (as a consequence, they are happy to lose on points so that they don't get a suspension and can continue to earn, which does not make for an interesting fight for the spectator).

However, if the journeyman happens to get a win then what happens - the phone stops ringing and they don't get any work.

Therefore in effect, these boxers are paid to lose (which is even worse than not trying to win !).

100% Correct mate

We all know this, it is no big secret, but it is accepted.

spudder56 wrote:

bripez wrote:

billy bessey wrote:Good on the bbbc they should make more of a stance on it. The lad has won 1 out of the last 86 rounds he has competed in this is a professional sport where people should try to win and be able to do so what other PROFESSIONAL sports has serial losers in it like ours?

P.s don't tell me cos his the away fighter he should have won a lot more than he has 1 round won from 86 good on you Bbbc let's see more of it

I agree with all your comments on this thread Billy.

To be honest - it is even worse than that.

A boxer who is considered a journeyman is expected to put up an element of resistance, but ultimately to lose (as a consequence, they are happy to lose on points so that they don't get a suspension and can continue to earn, which does not make for an interesting fight for the spectator).

However, if the journeyman happens to get a win then what happens - the phone stops ringing and they don't get any work.

Therefore in effect, these boxers are paid to lose (which is even worse than not trying to win !).



We all know this, it is no big secret, but it is accepted.

bripez wrote:We all know this, it is no big secret, but it is accepted.

The Insider wrote:Sid isn't down and out yet. I hear he is appealing the decision. I think a severe reprimand would have sufficed and Sid would have upped his game and got the weigh off.

You will never get a continuous conveyor belt of prospect v prospect. I agree that the young lads today should be tested earlier and not get there records padded out too much but Promoters need journey men to make their promotions pay. A ticket selling debutant isn't going to go straight in against a "live" opponent. As Ian said the majority of his fans will just be happy if their guy wins. If the prospect loses straight away ticket sales dwindle and it makes it harder for the promoter to put shows on, so he does need a little protection early on. And it is 100% Important for debutants to get a few rounds under their belts early on too. It's a totally different ball game getting experience in the gym to performing infront of a thousand fans under the lights. I've seen monsters in the gym get eaten up by nerves and adrenaline on their debuts. It's not ideal for the purists amongst us who know how the system works but "journeymen" like Sid perform an important service on the bottom rung of the boxing ladder.

spudder56 wrote:

The Insider wrote:Sid isn't down and out yet. I hear he is appealing the decision. I think a severe reprimand would have sufficed and Sid would have upped his game and got the weigh off.

You will never get a continuous conveyor belt of prospect v prospect. I agree that the young lads today should be tested earlier and not get there records padded out too much but Promoters need journey men to make their promotions pay. A ticket selling debutant isn't going to go straight in against a "live" opponent. As Ian said the majority of his fans will just be happy if their guy wins. If the prospect loses straight away ticket sales dwindle and it makes it harder for the promoter to put shows on, so he does need a little protection early on. And it is 100% Important for debutants to get a few rounds under their belts early on too. It's a totally different ball game getting experience in the gym to performing infront of a thousand fans under the lights. I've seen monsters in the gym get eaten up by nerves and adrenaline on their debuts. It's not ideal for the purists amongst us who know how the system works but "journeymen" like Sid perform an important service on the bottom rung of the boxing ladder.

I agree there is a role for journeymen testing out debutants and novices etc but some are being thrown in against 10 and 0 fighters and really struggling to go the distance but having said that its always been like that

Coco wrote:Buckley was regularly fighting champions in warm up fights at his peak, but dropped down to doing 4x2's against novices towards the end, you still need to be matched sensibly

billy bessey wrote:

spudder56 wrote:

The Insider wrote:Sid isn't down and out yet. I hear he is appealing the decision. I think a severe reprimand would have sufficed and Sid would have upped his game and got the weigh off.

You will never get a continuous conveyor belt of prospect v prospect. I agree that the young lads today should be tested earlier and not get there records padded out too much but Promoters need journey men to make their promotions pay. A ticket selling debutant isn't going to go straight in against a "live" opponent. As Ian said the majority of his fans will just be happy if their guy wins. If the prospect loses straight away ticket sales dwindle and it makes it harder for the promoter to put shows on, so he does need a little protection early on. And it is 100% Important for debutants to get a few rounds under their belts early on too. It's a totally different ball game getting experience in the gym to performing infront of a thousand fans under the lights. I've seen monsters in the gym get eaten up by nerves and adrenaline on their debuts. It's not ideal for the purists amongst us who know how the system works but "journeymen" like Sid perform an important service on the bottom rung of the boxing ladder.

I agree there is a role for journeymen testing out debutants and novices etc but some are being thrown in against 10 and 0 fighters and really struggling to go the distance but having said that its always been like that

But there's always been betting corruption and drugs in sport but the authorities don't let that go under the cqrpet(well most of the time they don't) I've witnessed with my own eyes a journeyman clearly being paid to lose but his opponent being that shite and tired that the journeyman just couldn't be bad enough to lose. Someone on here mentioned San Marino losing all the time on here. Well at least they try to win and aren't in a sport where people can be killed

Coco wrote:Sid does need to be fit and in shape though, there is no excuse at any level for being overweight, this is a very dangerous sport and you are asking for trouble otherwise esp when you are regularly matched against better opponents

Coco wrote:Sid does need to be fit and in shape though, there is no excuse at any level for being overweight, this is a very dangerous sport and you are asking for trouble otherwise esp when you are regularly matched against better opponents

billy bessey wrote:

spudder56 wrote:

The Insider wrote:Sid isn't down and out yet. I hear he is appealing the decision. I think a severe reprimand would have sufficed and Sid would have upped his game and got the weigh off.

You will never get a continuous conveyor belt of prospect v prospect. I agree that the young lads today should be tested earlier and not get there records padded out too much but Promoters need journey men to make their promotions pay. A ticket selling debutant isn't going to go straight in against a "live" opponent. As Ian said the majority of his fans will just be happy if their guy wins. If the prospect loses straight away ticket sales dwindle and it makes it harder for the promoter to put shows on, so he does need a little protection early on. And it is 100% Important for debutants to get a few rounds under their belts early on too. It's a totally different ball game getting experience in the gym to performing infront of a thousand fans under the lights. I've seen monsters in the gym get eaten up by nerves and adrenaline on their debuts. It's not ideal for the purists amongst us who know how the system works but "journeymen" like Sid perform an important service on the bottom rung of the boxing ladder.

I agree there is a role for journeymen testing out debutants and novices etc but some are being thrown in against 10 and 0 fighters and really struggling to go the distance but having said that its always been like that

But there's always been betting corruption and drugs in sport but the authorities don't let that go under the cqrpet(well most of the time they don't) I've witnessed with my own eyes a journeyman clearly being paid to lose but his opponent being that shite and tired that the journeyman just couldn't be bad enough to lose. Someone on here mentioned San Marino losing all the time on here. Well at least they try to win and aren't in a sport where people can be killed

Coco wrote:In my experience it never happened, as long as the matching is correct and the ref knows which side is buttered on you would never even need to do it.

Superheavy wrote:Does anyone have an example of a true journeymen getting a win or a draw and then the phone not ringing again? I hear this a lot as a reason for them not coming to win. I suspect it's only true for the "fringe" journeymen - the "prospects" of the journeymen world with mixed records.

If Sid or Jonny Greaves got a win they'd still get work!