Jerry Quarry vrs. Buster Mathis/ March.29.1969/ MSG

[Brutu]

here is a link from some action in the Fifth round.
photographs from corbisimages.


http://corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rig ... ng?popup=1



http://corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rig ... is?popup=1


http://corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rig ... 2-31062373

[klompton]

It was a wonderful bout to watch....

[Brutu]

another news article but with a ring action photo.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Hj ... ,682649&dq

[Brutu]

A week before the fight with Quarry the odds were 11-5 Mathis,
the day of the fight they were 12-5.
When Buster Mathis fought George Chuvalo a
just seven weeks earlier at MSG
The odds were 9-5 for Mathis.
I guess they figured if Mathis could make
a Canadian of Slavic extraction a bloody mess
that some felt should have been stopped,
they figured it would probably take less chopping
to stop an American of Hiberian extraction
whom presumably had thinner skin around the facial regions.

[Brutu]

here is a good article about Jerry Quarry that was published
not too long after he defeated Buster Mathis and just before
he fought Joe Frazier for the first time.
SPORTS ILLUSTRATED June.16.1969.
(2 pages)


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... index.html

[Brutu]

Curiously I was checking the free newspaper archives at google,
and surprisenly there were only a few news articles about
Mathis vs Chuvalo,and all of them were"pay-to-view"articles.
Compared to the number of news articles about Quarry-Mathis.
However,here is a link to a transcribed AP news article from the archives
of boxrec.com.

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/B ... ge_Chuvalo

[Brutu]

here is a link to a ring action photo that would appear to( insinuate anyway)
that Buster Mathis had knocked down George Chuvalo in the third
round of their bout,February.3.1969,MSG.
(scroll down to bottom of page 51 to see photo).


http://www.books.google.com/books?id=2D ... pg=PA51&dq

[Brutu]

here is a bump again to round one of Mathis vrs Chuvalo.
I have to admit that Ive never seen the other eleven rounds
of the bout to see if that was a slip in the third,but of course
strongly suspect it was.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtG6fSpy9w[/quote]

[Brutu]

As far as any film video of Quarry vrs Mathis.
Did you try and contact James(Jimmy)Iselin?
formerly of PEERS management?
I believe he is a horse trainer now
(todays race made me think about it)
also if the Monmouth Race Track has a film-video archives dept.
maybe the have a misc section that may have some boxing film/videos.
Also what about actor Robert Wagner?
I think I saw him in a photograph with Buster Mathis.
Maybe he was also a huge boxing/Buster Mathis fan who had owned his own
video-recorder in 1969,and couldnt be at MSG because he may have been filming an episode of IT TAKES A THIEF,at night(or maybe Robert Wagner was in attendence at the garden that night?

[Brutu]

here is a link to an article about Buster Mathis from SPORTS ILLUSTRATED
January.16.1967
-Cus Is Back Aboard A Big New Bus
by Robert H. Boyle
(4 pages)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... AG1079455/

[Brutu]

Here is another link to another article from SPORTS ILLUSTRATED archives
March.4.1968.
-Showcase For Crisis
by Mark Kram
Its kind of a strange reading article about Buster Mathis,PEERS management
and Cus D'Amato.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... MAG1080905

[Brutu]

hey Klompton,are you sure you cast enough wide net to track any surviving footage down?
I was reading about the PEERS managment Inc,which was formed in 1965.
Each person originally chipped in $3,100 dollars
Here is a listing of some of the names associated with it.
A lot of these people were 25 and under in 1965,so they would be around 70 years old today.
Maybe if you wrote each one living a written letter through snail mail maybe something will turn up


PEERS MANAGEMENT INC.,
James(Jimmy)Iselin
Mike Martin-Locust NJ,(whose father Townsend B. Martin was director at the Monmouth Race Track)
Tom Packard(New York Stockbroker)
Leffert Lefferts(from a New York state old money family)
Peter N.Grad-architect-Newark NJ
Kenneth Elias-Pittsburgh
Dr.Richard Robertiello-Psychiatrist-New York
Wolf Charney-Attorney
James Walsh(James Iselins attorney)

[Brutu]

Along with James Iselin,the person I would also try to locate would be
Tom Packard the Wall street stock broker.
according to that 1967 SI article
He was Peers mgmnt chief finiancial advisor
he was the real boxing fan.
and most enthusiastic about Buster Mathis.
He and Leff Leferts belonged to the fraternity of St.Anthony Hall
and are alumni of Columbia University.
He was born in 1940,so there is a good chance he may stll be around.

[Caractacus]

According to the BBC Radio and TV guide link posted previously.

Jerry Quarry vs Buster Mathis was shown on BBC One
Sportsnight with Coleman
27.March.1969

So did the BBC also"wipe" this fight out too from their video archives?

(Type in the words, Jerry Quarry Buster Mathis at this link)

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/

[dempseyfire]

I don't understand why Buster was a 12-5 favorite in this fight.

re: Quarry's pink trunks worn in the fight. I vaguely recall those trunks along with matching robe being up for sale at some boxing memorabilia site some years ago.

Why not? His only loss had been an incredibly competitive fight with Frazier and he'd looked impressive in most of his victories; he'd also just come off a fairly one-sided decision over Chuvalo.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yet another example of how these small guys that weighed around 200 pounds just can't compete with the super-sized heavyweights. Obviously Quarry would be just a cruiserweight today.

[mikeycapp]

Interestingly enough I received a list that was titled ESPN CLASSIC BOXING FILM LIBRARY from a collector friend of mine the list appeared to be an authentic list. Buster Mathis vs Jerry Quarry was listed in their archive as Destroyed as well as Dick Tiger vs Frankie Depaula listed as Destroyed I do believe they are gone forever unfortunate as that is. What I found interesting and somewhat humorous was some of the films that were listed on the ESPN CLASSIC BOXING FILM LIBRARY under Sugar Ray Robinson such as Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta IIII 10RDS 2/23/1945, Ray Robinson vs Kid Gavilan 15RDS 7/11/1949, Ike Williams vs Jimmy Carter 14RDS 5/25/1951 and their were a few others that slip my mind at this time. To my knowledge none of these fight films has ever surfaced, Jimmy Carter vs Ike Williams was a televised Gillette Friday Night Fight Bout however it has never surfaced. The fourth Ray Robinson fight with Jake Lamotta and The 2nd Ray Robinson/Kid Gavilan fights were not filmed. Could these be radio broadcasts? Bill Cayton had a series of great radio boxing broadcasts from the 1940s an 1950's do these fights exist on radio? And is it possible that these fights somehow were combined into the fight film library? I have no idea,but I do remember writing back to my friend to tell him, "I think that someone is pulling your leg with that list did you see some of the fights they claim to have on that list" It appears to me that someone over at ESPN has an extremely hyperactive imagination.
Mikey Capp

[evrenb]

Interestingly enough I received a list that was titled ESPN CLASSIC BOXING FILM LIBRARY from a collector friend of mine the list appeared to be an authentic list. Buster Mathis vs Jerry Quarry was listed in their archive as Destroyed as well as Dick Tiger vs Frankie Depaula listed as Destroyed I do believe they are gone forever unfortunate as that is. What I found interesting and somewhat humorous was some of the films that were listed on the ESPN CLASSIC BOXING FILM LIBRARY under Sugar Ray Robinson such as Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake LaMotta IIII 10RDS 2/23/1945, Ray Robinson vs Kid Gavilan 15RDS 7/11/1949, Ike Williams vs Jimmy Carter 14RDS 5/25/1951 and their were a few others that slip my mind at this time. To my knowledge none of these fight films has ever surfaced, Jimmy Carter vs Ike Williams was a televised Gillette Friday Night Fight Bout however it has never surfaced. The fourth Ray Robinson fight with Jake Lamotta and The 2nd Ray Robinson/Kid Gavilan fights were not filmed. Could these be radio broadcasts? Bill Cayton had a series of great radio boxing broadcasts from the 1940s an 1950's do these fights exist on radio? And is it possible that these fights somehow were combined into the fight film library? I have no idea,but I do remember writing back to my friend to tell him, "I think that someone is pulling your leg with that list did you see some of the fights they claim to have on that list" It appears to me that someone over at ESPN has an extremely hyperactive imagination.
Mikey Capp

Hi Mikey

I am almost completely certain these are radio broadcasts. Interesting though.

I have had footage from BBC before that were not in Steve Lotts archive when I contacted him. Im constantly amazed at what footage is out there and turns up..


evren

[BoxBuzz]

Klompton......You make great points and based on them here is my question to you.


IF a few of these "lost forever" fights we are discussing were to ever show up....what would be the most likely scenario that would explain their survival?



My guess is that it would be an amalgam of 8mm fan held cameras that if put together MIGHT be able to piece a bit of this history together.

When I think about what it would take to make this happen. Seems just about a nill chance of ever seeing this footage.

To even find evidence of 1 eample might be near impossible.

As far as any commercial version....I think you've provided/seen the documentation that for most sensible folks is going to end any speculating in that regard.

They are gone forever.....NOT LOST...since we know they were destroyed....just simply GONE.

[Caractacus]

I just wonder if whenever they send those people out around all the corners of the former British Empire,
who search for the lost episodes of Doctor Who
if they also tell them to make a note to keep an out out for any old BBC Boxing video-tapes or film?

[evrenb]

BBC also televised Quarry vs Middleton..and also Frazier vs Bonavena 2 - I noticed when I watched the film of this latter fight that I saw harry Carpenter ringside. so I had a hunch. When I checked this site my hunch was confirmed. I would be interested to see that. .

[Caractacus]

Just thought I would bump this up to keep the topic alive.
(just in case someone remebers they have it on video-tape somewhere in their collection).

[Caractacus]

This is from BigFights actual records that I have:

Quarry, J. vs. Mathis (DESTROYED) Jerry Quarry Buster Mathis 3/24/1969 New York, NY Madison Square Garden Quarry UD-10

Some select others that listed under the same circumstances:

Cokes vs. Harris (DESTROYED) Curtis Cokes Joe Harris 3/31/1967 New York, NY Madison Square Garden Harris UD-10

Griffith vs. Gonzalez II (DESTROYED) Emile Griffith Manuel Gonzalez 12/10/1965 New York, NY Madison Square Garden Griffith UD-15

Griffith vs. Benvenuti III (DESTROYED) Emile Griffith Nino Benvenuti 3/4/1968 New York, NY Madison Square Garden Benvenuti UD-15

Luckily for us the third Griffith-Benvenuti fight was broadcast overseas due to the international nature of the bout and was preserved in Europe on film (although its black and white, not color as the original broadcast recording in the US would have been).

How were all these tapes destroyed again?
BTW I was in the third grade in 1970,
and I remember one day our teacher rolled in a big assed-cart that had a really big-assed video-tape machine on it
and we watched on a TV some educational stuff that someone had taped off of (the then new)PBS.

[klompton]

When you find it let me know...

Then wake up, take a shower, and go to work, because the only place that fight exists is in your dreams.

[Caractacus]

Perhaps it was already mentioned in this thread but what about the estate of Buster Mathis's trainer
Joey Fariello?
He passed away in 1995.
He used a video-recorder with Buster Mathis when he trained so they both could study the footage
later that day.
Perhaps he also video-recorded some of the fights that may have been also televised,
to get the footage from a different angle?