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Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 01:43
by Ilya Muromets
I agree with (the now retired) Joe Cortez - who refereed 885 fights! He was on the take as are so many of them. There are so many bad ones it is hard to keep up with them. The judges are, of course, even much worse. Randy Neumann was my own personal nominee as the worst ref, but I think - hope - he's retired too - now working full time at his money laundering business in NJ. There are good refs too, but I'm not good at remembering names.
Randy Neumann Wealth Management
http://www.randyneumann.com/
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 02:56
by Pureist
Bayliss AKA floyds bodyguard
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 04:16
by Boxerbeetle
Freedom2013 wrote:There are three exceptionally bad ones:
Lawrence Cole
Jack Reiss
Ian John-Lewis
All three always side with either one fighter or the other.
Some of the others mentioned in this thread are bad as well, but these three referees sink lower than any of the rest.
Agreed, these three are by far the worst.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 07:09
by tigermoth87
Terry O'Connor is wank.
Some of his stoppages are baffling. Then there was the time he helped a barely conscious Cleverly back to his corner and let him fight another round.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 14:46
by Cent0089
referee onSalido - Lomachenko fight was one of the worst ive ever seen
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 15:33
by Undefeated49-0
You left out Joe Cortez, he is the worst referee.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 15:35
by crusader
IJL is the worst I recall seeing for stoppages; Cole probably the worst overall of those on the list.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 16:01
by hurricanemitch14
Best imo is Harvey Dock.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 16:37
by gilgamesh
crusader wrote:IJL is the worst I recall seeing for stoppages; Cole probably the worst overall of those on the list.
Yep. Terry O' Connor is bad too.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 16:39
by gilgamesh
Who are the people that voted for Steve Smoger? Smoger is the best referee in the sport, and has been for a long time.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 18:09
by Lancenix
Cent0089 wrote:referee onSalido - Lomachenko fight was one of the worst ive ever seen
Man you are not lying. That was criminal and sickening to boxing.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 18:12
by Lancenix
gilgamesh wrote:Who are the people that voted for Steve Smoger? Smoger is the best referee in the sport, and has been for a long time.
Smoger sure lets the guys fight. I think some people feel that he allows too much holding and does not take away points when he needs to. Smoger did have that Lou Saverese knockdown moment which was such bias on his part and so puzzling that I believe he was sanctioned for it.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 01 Mar 2016, 07:16
by Ricky_
Undefeated49-0 wrote:You left out Joe Cortez, he is the worst referee.
Cortez is retired.
The worst ref is without doubt, Ian John-Lewis;
I heard he's also the worst poster Boxrec has ever had...
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 01 Mar 2016, 07:33
by caldo2025
Cole & Baylis stink but there's only one Ref that makes me jump off my recliner yelling at the top of my lungs and that's Jack Reiss. This guy thinks everyone has come to see him. He'll step in the middle of great action with one of his tongue lashings just to get it on TV and be the show. He loves to do this whenever the action gets hot too and totally kills these fights. He did this in the last 30 seconds of a fight recently and completely squashed the toe to toe action to end the fight. Can't remember who but i've had it with that dink.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 02 Mar 2016, 05:34
by Loki
I have a winner - Alfredo Garcia Perez. Watch the Danny Williams v Airich fight. End of discussion.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 02 Mar 2016, 07:02
by Tomasino
Ricky_ wrote:Undefeated49-0 wrote:You left out Joe Cortez, he is the worst referee.
Cortez is retired.
The worst ref is without doubt, Ian John-Lewis;
I heard he's also the worst poster Boxrec has ever had...
He's a handsome bastard though

Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 02 Mar 2016, 10:24
by cletomex
Cole is the worst for me.
And Steve Willis is fornicating awesome
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 02 Mar 2016, 10:24
by cletomex
Any mention of Joe Cortez?
lol
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 02 Mar 2016, 11:03
by Undefeated49-0
cletomex wrote:Any mention of Joe Cortez?
lol
I did mention him but they gave him a pass because he's retired but I remember how Cortez was so afraid of Don King that he refused to wave off the BHop vs Trinidad KO fight until he looked over at Don King to make sure it was ok for him to do so despite PaPa Trinidad already being in the ring and waving the towel holding his son up.
Go to the 1: 16 mark or so and watch how he looks over at Don before finally waving it off. This is one of the reasons why I say he was the worse Ref in the business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAdJ2XzP4Ns
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 16:25
by Lancenix
caldo2025 wrote:Cole & Baylis stink but there's only one Ref that makes me jump off my recliner yelling at the top of my lungs and that's Jack Reiss. This guy thinks everyone has come to see him. He'll step in the middle of great action with one of his tongue lashings just to get it on TV and be the show. He loves to do this whenever the action gets hot too and totally kills these fights. He did this in the last 30 seconds of a fight recently and completely squashed the toe to toe action to end the fight. Can't remember who but i've had it with that dink.
Right on man. Jack Reiss is a weirdo. I cringe when I see him reffing a fight.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 16:26
by Lancenix
Loki wrote:I have a winner - Alfredo Garcia Perez. Watch the Danny Williams v Airich fight. End of discussion.
That was crazy!! Is that the fight where the ref took like 7 points from Williams and then Williams knocked the dude out?
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 16:27
by Lancenix
I will also say that Eddie Cotton's refereeing of the Tyson Lewis fight was very dubious. He kept warning Lewis for basically beating the shit out of Tyson.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 16:28
by crusader
Another two (un)worthy candidates are Manfred Kuechler (ludicrously DQing Cisse Salif against Petkovic and Mathis against Hammer to save the house fighters from stoppage defeats) and whoever that guy is who tried to DQ Bakhtov in the Kretschmann rematch.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 16:29
by Lancenix
Joe Cortez also robbed Melrick Taylor against JC Chavez. That was a robbery and a straight cheating.
Re: Who is boxing's worst referee?
Posted: 03 Mar 2016, 19:13
by Undefeated49-0
Lancenix wrote:Joe Cortez also robbed Melrick Taylor against JC Chavez. That was a robbery and a straight cheating.
That wasn't Cortez that referred that one, it was Richard Steele.