BoxRec

mickey1975 wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:I think people from travelling stock fade faster than most when it comes to physical assets. They tend to mature physically and mentally, a lot earlier than the rest of us. Men at 13 etc
Certainly the case with those from travelling stock I know anyway.

The ones I know are basically just the same as everyone else!

dapug wrote:
Travelling people have the lowest life expectancy in the United Kingdom.

manno wrote:

Broomhall wrote:It is not unusual for fighters to go 20-40lbs over fighting weight-I did it when I was boxing and I know most of the other guys did. When these guys weigh in for a fight they will have dried out and many are at least 10 lbs heavier by the next day alone.

If you look at pictures of Chavez Jr-this guy fights at 160-170, but look at him out of training.

spot on this, never mind fighters like Froch , Murray etc, have a look at them ten yrs after they've retired, I would be very suprised if they don't look fitter than when they were boxing! Saunders, Kell,naz,hatton train(trained) just as hard but they put weight on when they're not training, probably eat the same as any1 else but if they had never been boxers would have been overweight, ( I speak from personal experience) ha ha!

manno wrote:

Broomhall wrote:It is not unusual for fighters to go 20-40lbs over fighting weight-I did it when I was boxing and I know most of the other guys did. When these guys weigh in for a fight they will have dried out and many are at least 10 lbs heavier by the next day alone.

If you look at pictures of Chavez Jr-this guy fights at 160-170, but look at him out of training.

spot on this, never mind fighters like Froch , Murray etc, have a look at them ten yrs after they've retired, I would be very suprised if they don't look fitter than when they were boxing! Saunders, Kell,naz,hatton train(trained) just as hard but they put weight on when they're not training, probably eat the same as any1 else but if they had never been boxers would have been overweight, ( I speak from personal experience) ha ha!

lefty wrote:

manno wrote:

Broomhall wrote:It is not unusual for fighters to go 20-40lbs over fighting weight-I did it when I was boxing and I know most of the other guys did. When these guys weigh in for a fight they will have dried out and many are at least 10 lbs heavier by the next day alone.

If you look at pictures of Chavez Jr-this guy fights at 160-170, but look at him out of training.

spot on this, never mind fighters like Froch , Murray etc, have a look at them ten yrs after they've retired, I would be very suprised if they don't look fitter than when they were boxing! Saunders, Kell,naz,hatton train(trained) just as hard but they put weight on when they're not training, probably eat the same as any1 else but if they had never been boxers would have been overweight, ( I speak from personal experience) ha ha!

Sorry but i think some of that is a load of tosh. Of course you're going to be heavier than you were when you were training like a lunatic but I dont believe all fighters end up like a tub of lard like Naz or Hatton (no offense).

manno wrote:[Getting hit in the head is a hard way to make a living but dieting 24/7 was way harder IMO.

manno wrote: Fact is ev body's metabolism a different. If BJS has a tendency to put wt on anyway it's conceivable he shot upto 16 stone.

tobyh5 wrote:

manno wrote:[Getting hit in the head is a hard way to make a living but dieting 24/7 was way harder IMO.

Getting hit in the head must be the hardest way to make a living but dieting, 24/7, in an extreme way is harder than anyone who has not done it can appreciate. Weighing every item before eating it, not being able to have anything off plan, every single day, every meal, every gram and fighting off hunger, cravings, extreme thoughts of food for an extended period is a real head fcuk. But I would rather do it than get smacked in the head by a professional boxer (and I have done both).

manno wrote: Fact is ev body's metabolism a different. If BJS has a tendency to put wt on anyway it's conceivable he shot upto 16 stone.

Exactly, some guys eat crazy amounts and just gain nothing, their body is a lot more efficient at processing calories and so they maintain a good shape and little weight gain. Not through effort but just because that is how it is. We all know a skinny kid who never puts on an ounce and eats a carb laden lunch, bar of snickers in the afternoon, drinks alcohol etc with no worries and then the guy who is chunky but diets all the time, hard but has an occasional treat and pays the price with immediate gain

manno wrote:

lefty wrote:

manno wrote: spot on this, never mind fighters like Froch , Murray etc, have a look at them ten yrs after they've retired, I would be very suprised if they don't look fitter than when they were boxing! Saunders, Kell,naz,hatton train(trained) just as hard but they put weight on when they're not training, probably eat the same as any1 else but if they had never been boxers would have been overweight, ( I speak from personal experience) ha ha!

Sorry but i think some of that is a load of tosh. Of course you're going to be heavier than you were when you were training like a lunatic but I dont believe all fighters end up like a tub of lard like Naz or Hatton (no offense).

I didn't say all fighters...that was exactly my point! Before they were fighters they were normal people and when they finish fighting they continue living normal lives and return to what they would have been had they never fought. Getting hit in the head is a hard way to make a living but dieting 24/7 was way harder IMO. When I was fighting there were kids who walked about a few pound over their best wt and there were other kids who trained just as hard but no way could maintain the wt without dieting. Fact is ev body's metabolism a different. If BJS has a tendency to put wt on anyway it's conceivable he shot upto 16 stone.

tobyh5 wrote:

manno wrote:[Getting hit in the head is a hard way to make a living but dieting 24/7 was way harder IMO.

Getting hit in the head must be the hardest way to make a living but dieting, 24/7, in an extreme way is harder than anyone who has not done it can appreciate. Weighing every item before eating it, not being able to have anything off plan, every single day, every meal, every gram and fighting off hunger, cravings, extreme thoughts of food for an extended period is a real head fcuk. But I would rather do it than get smacked in the head by a professional boxer (and I have done both).

manno wrote: Fact is ev body's metabolism a different. If BJS has a tendency to put wt on anyway it's conceivable he shot upto 16 stone.

Exactly, some guys eat crazy amounts and just gain nothing, their body is a lot more efficient at processing calories and so they maintain a good shape and little weight gain. Not through effort but just because that is how it is. We all know a skinny kid who never puts on an ounce and eats a carb laden lunch, bar of snickers in the afternoon, drinks alcohol etc with no worries and then the guy who is chunky but diets all the time, hard but has an occasional treat and pays the price with immediate gain

lefty wrote:Exactly, some guys eat crazy amounts and just gain nothing, their body is a lot more efficient at processing calories....

Rexob wrote:Eat more, gain weight, eat less, weigh less, simple really! nothing to do with metabolism.

coneye wrote:

Rexob wrote:Eat more, gain weight, eat less, weigh less, simple really! nothing to do with metabolism.

150% CORRECT....Its not rocket science

Rexob wrote:Eat more, gain weight, eat less, weigh less, simple really! nothing to do with metabolism.

coneye wrote:Ok Manno , you have a point everyone is different , but the basics are the same , example , my wife her dad her brothers , and herself , are all skinny , they have been that way all there life one brother worked with me . he could eat and drink and never put weight on , same with my wife , but when they got older , her brother developed a pot belly when he stopped working .

Now myself and all my familly have been big boned and , big people , I would eat and drink less than her brother , but pile it on if i did'nt train , When i stopped work , and stopped the gym a couple of years ago i carried on consuming the same amounts of food and drink , and piled on 25 kilo , 8 weeks ago i decided to get real about it , i was getting obese , (for me anyway ) .

8 weeks later , i',ve dropped 15 kilo and its been easy , just go for long walks each day , cut my meal size in half and a couple of days a week back at work when the heavy lifting hard jobs need to be done , . I feel that good in myself , i've now decided when i get that extra 10 kilo off , i'll go for broke and try to get back the weight i was 20 years ago , so 20 kilo to go .

Its all about what you put in and what you burn off , , if you burn 5000 calories a day and take in 10,000 , you will put it on .

Off course , different people have different metabolism and burn it different , but the basics are the same

Eat more , gain more eat less weigh less just has Rebox said .

lefty wrote: First off I wanna say this is a genuine question versus a loaded question..... however isnt that disputed by science? What I mean is that whenever i've read about this kind of thing (no expert by any means) I always see the point being made of it being a simple equation of calories consumed versus calories burned which then either leads to a calories surplus and thus weight gain of some kind or a calories deficit which leads to weight loss over time.

tobyh5 wrote:

lefty wrote: First off I wanna say this is a genuine question versus a loaded question..... however isnt that disputed by science? What I mean is that whenever i've read about this kind of thing (no expert by any means) I always see the point being made of it being a simple equation of calories consumed versus calories burned which then either leads to a calories surplus and thus weight gain of some kind or a calories deficit which leads to weight loss over time.

Its a tricky one isn't it with what science says today and what it said yesterday and what one "expert" will say against a different one and different interpretations of the data. I do have to say my own knowledge level is lower than most to be honest and I am not too clued up on the science and do not pretend to know more than I do but I know more than the average Joe, have real life experience plus I am heavily in the bodybuilding community and know the diet, cals, exercise regime etc of a lot of guys and gals, from regional 6th place finishers to the Professional Heavyweight Champion of the world who is a good friend of mine (and he can eat like a pack of lions!!)

And we are all different and have to know our own bodies through trial and error and I know that science even says macro does not matter, a calorie is a calorie, IIFYM being in vogue and working for many. But I will say simply that I am 5ft 8, off season weight 82kg, stage weight 70kg and I have to eat at under 2000 calories per day, one session of weight training, one session of cardio every day to get fat loss. But I know identical weighted, height and muscle mass rivals who do no cardio in prep and eat 2500+ calories.

On forums and FB groups and meet ups I hear and see guys who can take in 3500 calories off season, if not more, and maintain condition no problem. 2500 sees me gain quickly!!! Metabolism and ability to process calories is an issue for me. Not sure why but I think I have slowed metabolism through years of excessive low calorie dieting and shut a few things down inside (no science, just my own experience)

manno wrote:

Rexob wrote:Eat more, gain weight, eat less, weigh less, simple really! nothing to do with metabolism.

Have to disagree, that's a massive generalisation for the most individual of sports. The fact remains that boxer A might live the same lifestyle between fights as boxer B ie train 3 times a week, couple of runs,odd night out, Sunday dinner at mums, meal with the mrs and before you know 2 stone has crept on boxer A but boxer B is a few pound over his best weight. Then the phone goes telling you your on in 4/5 week then it's panic stations for boxer A but boxer B can just concentrate on the fight and please believe me there is no worse feeling in the world than getting on the scales a week before the fight and that last two pound won't effing move, can't emphasise how low that makes you feel , meanwhile boxer B has been comfortably on the weight for the last fortnight, why? Because his metabolism is different.

Rexob wrote:

manno wrote:

Rexob wrote:Eat more, gain weight, eat less, weigh less, simple really! nothing to do with metabolism.

Have to disagree, that's a massive generalisation for the most individual of sports. The fact remains that boxer A might live the same lifestyle between fights as boxer B ie train 3 times a week, couple of runs,odd night out, Sunday dinner at mums, meal with the mrs and before you know 2 stone has crept on boxer A but boxer B is a few pound over his best weight. Then the phone goes telling you your on in 4/5 week then it's panic stations for boxer A but boxer B can just concentrate on the fight and please believe me there is no worse feeling in the world than getting on the scales a week before the fight and that last two pound won't effing move, can't emphasise how low that makes you feel , meanwhile boxer B has been comfortably on the weight for the last fortnight, why? Because his metabolism is different.

No. He's eating more than boxer B that's why he is heavier.