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Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 10:33
by apollo creed
Perseus wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 09:50
This matchup has Fight of the Year written all over it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that GGG stays in shape between fights. He lives the life of an athlete at all times not just in training camp.
Pavlik never lived that life, he got in shape during training camp.
There is a difference.
For these hypothetical matches between two high level boxers if I have the above information I don't need a lot of analysis beyond that.
The boxer who lives the life of an athlete everyday is better prepared for a tough night than the one who does not.
I favor GGG in a fight of the year type event.
Good and true points but at his size and reach 6′ 2½″ / 75″ Pavlik was a natural 168 pounder. He would probably outweight GGG by 10-15lbs.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 11:08
by Perseus
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 10:33
Perseus wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 09:50
This matchup has Fight of the Year written all over it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that GGG stays in shape between fights. He lives the life of an athlete at all times not just in training camp.
Pavlik never lived that life, he got in shape during training camp.
There is a difference.
For these hypothetical matches between two high level boxers if I have the above information I don't need a lot of analysis beyond that.
The boxer who lives the life of an athlete everyday is better prepared for a tough night than the one who does not.
I favor GGG in a fight of the year type event.
Good and true points but at his size and reach 6′ 2½″ / 75″ Pavlik was a natural 168 pounder. He would probably outweight GGG by 10-15lbs.
As did Jacobs.
When I say fight of the year type event I mean it would not be easy.
Pavlik/GGG would be a great fight with both fighters taking a lot of punishment but GGG is better prepared to do that over 12 rounds, he has more left in the late rounds and wins a decision.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 11:17
by apollo creed
Perseus wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 11:08
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 10:33
Perseus wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 09:50
This matchup has Fight of the Year written all over it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that GGG stays in shape between fights. He lives the life of an athlete at all times not just in training camp.
Pavlik never lived that life, he got in shape during training camp.
There is a difference.
For these hypothetical matches between two high level boxers if I have the above information I don't need a lot of analysis beyond that.
The boxer who lives the life of an athlete everyday is better prepared for a tough night than the one who does not.
I favor GGG in a fight of the year type event.
Good and true points but at his size and reach 6′ 2½″ / 75″ Pavlik was a natural 168 pounder. He would probably outweight GGG by 10-15lbs.
As did Jacobs
When I say fight of the year type event I mean it would not be easy.
Pavlik/GGG would be a great fight with both fighters taking a lot of punishment but GGG is better prepared to do that over 12 rounds, he has more left in the late rounds and wins a decision.
GGG would probably win bc of his boxing skills and working ethic but it would be a very hard battle.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 11:27
by Jacopodb
man wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 09:38
i believe prime, sober pavlik was tremendous.
no easy fight for 3G. i have it very close in his
favour.
The Pavlik that lost to Martinez was broken-minded, unfocused: something happened to him after the Hopkins fight: the man probably thought he was schooled, or had deluded fans, or anything else; he wasn't the same anymore.
Good remarking that GGG's work-ethics would be a key factor, but give one like Pavlik the right entourage, and he will smash the world.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 11:30
by boxing_rocks
GGG is a great boxer. When he decided to box Canelo in their rematch, he outboxed him. Pavlik would have no chances against prime Golovkin.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 12:40
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 11:30
GGG is a great boxer.
When he decided to box Canelo in their rematch, he outboxed him. Pavlik would have no chances against prime Golovkin.
When GGG chooses to hit and move like Lara and FMJ he's very good. The problem is that isn't his style which is a pity bc he has the ability to do it very good. Another important fact that many people are ingnoring is that Canelo was 28y/o in his peak of his prime and GGG was 35y/o past of his prime.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 13:23
by Boxerbeetle
Pavlik was too basic for Golovkin; this would be a re-run of the GGG-Lemieux fight.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 13:26
by boxing_rocks
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 12:40
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 11:30
GGG is a great boxer.
When he decided to box Canelo in their rematch, he outboxed him. Pavlik would have no chances against prime Golovkin.
When GGG chooses to hit and move like Lara and FMJ he's very good. The problem is that isn't his style which is a pity bc he has the ability to do it very good. Another important fact that many people are ingnoring is that Canelo was 28y/o in his peak of his prime and GGG was 35y/o past of his prime.
He doesn't do it like Lara, FMJ or somebody else. Like many other ATGs, he has his own way. His style is very economical, so some fans can't even see what he is doing for example in his defense. Canelo was trying to press him but never had him on the ropes. That was a very effective economical defense.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 14:01
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 13:26
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 12:40
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 11:30
GGG is a great boxer.
When he decided to box Canelo in their rematch, he outboxed him. Pavlik would have no chances against prime Golovkin.
When GGG chooses to hit and move like Lara and FMJ he's very good. The problem is that isn't his style which is a pity bc he has the ability to do it very good. Another important fact that many people are ingnoring is that Canelo was 28y/o in his peak of his prime and GGG was 35y/o past of his prime.
He doesn't do it like Lara, FMJ or somebody else. Like many other ATGs, he has his own way. His style is very economical, so some fans can't even see what he is doing for example in his defense. Canelo was trying to press him but never had him on the ropes. That was a very effective economical defense.
True but also I saw in the rematch some glimpses of GGG hitting and then moving out of Canelo's range and I liked.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 15:09
by ezhmael
Probably a 60-40 to GGG. But not really sure. Kelly can really crack. If you'll see how Taylor crumbled in a round after dominating most of the fight. Also, Pavlik have issues with movers and crafty boxers, GGG is neither. He only broke his opponents will until they succumbed to his power.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 15:11
by oogiebe
GGG, and I would have liked to see it!
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 15:50
by boxing_rocks
ezhmael wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:09
Probably a 60-40 to GGG. But not really sure. Kelly can really crack. If you'll see how Taylor crumbled in a round after dominating most of the fight. Also, Pavlik have issues with movers and crafty boxers, GGG is neither. He only broke his opponents will until they succumbed to his power.
I guess you didn't watch his last fight.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 16:05
by ezhmael
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:50
ezhmael wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 15:09
Probably a 60-40 to GGG. But not really sure. Kelly can really crack. If you'll see how Taylor crumbled in a round after dominating most of the fight. Also, Pavlik have issues with movers and crafty boxers, GGG is neither. He only broke his opponents will until they succumbed to his power.
I guess you didn't watch his last fight.
Who GGG or Pavlik?
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 16:06
by gilgamesh
Golovkin would be able to outbox Pavlik I figure. He'd have difficulties with him, but I think his greater skill would ultimately win out.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 16:19
by Jacopodb
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 13:23
Pavlik was too basic for Golovkin; this would be a re-run of the GGG-Lemieux fight.
With all due respect, Lemieux is not in the same league as Pavlik... in his Canadian heydeys, I also thought Lemieux was hot stuff... by the time Rubio schooled him, his flaws were exposed unmistakably.
Pavlik is no hypejob... he might have had emotional, even psychological issues, I don't know, but GGG would need to push on
those buttons ("psychological warfare", pressure-fighting...), because there's
no way he could trade punches with Pavlik, dude.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 16:22
by Boxerbeetle
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:19
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 13:23
Pavlik was too basic for Golovkin; this would be a re-run of the GGG-Lemieux fight.
With all due respect, Lemieux is not in the same league as Pavlik... in his Canadian heydeys, I also thought Lemieux was hot stuff... by the time Rubio schooled him, his flaws were exposed unmistakably.
Pavlik is no hypejob... he might have had emotional, even psychological issues, I don't know, but GGG would need to push on
those buttons ("psychological warfare", pressure-fighting...), because there's
no way he could trade punches with Pavlik, dude.
Golovkin wouldn’t trade punches with Pavlik, in the same way he didn’t trade punches with Lemieux. GGG would have comfortably outboxed Pavlik.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 16:35
by Jacopodb
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:22
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:19
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 13:23
Pavlik was too basic for Golovkin; this would be a re-run of the GGG-Lemieux fight.
With all due respect, Lemieux is not in the same league as Pavlik... in his Canadian heydeys, I also thought Lemieux was hot stuff... by the time Rubio schooled him, his flaws were exposed unmistakably.
Pavlik is no hypejob... he might have had emotional, even psychological issues, I don't know, but GGG would need to push on
those buttons ("psychological warfare", pressure-fighting...), because there's
no way he could trade punches with Pavlik, dude.
Golovkin wouldn’t trade punches with Pavlik, in the same way he didn’t trade punches with Lemieux. GGG would have comfortably outboxed Pavlik.
That sounds veritable, altho I don't believe that GGG has already met a guy who hit as hard as Pavlik (the fashion in which he beat Taylor still impresses me)... Canelo came close-enough to that, but I can't picture how GGG would've reacted to such a big bad guy.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 17:02
by boxing_rocks
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:35
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:22
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:19
With all due respect, Lemieux is not in the same league as Pavlik... in his Canadian heydeys, I also thought Lemieux was hot stuff... by the time Rubio schooled him, his flaws were exposed unmistakably.
Pavlik is no hypejob... he might have had emotional, even psychological issues, I don't know, but GGG would need to push on
those buttons ("psychological warfare", pressure-fighting...), because there's
no way he could trade punches with Pavlik, dude.
Golovkin wouldn’t trade punches with Pavlik, in the same way he didn’t trade punches with Lemieux. GGG would have comfortably outboxed Pavlik.
That sounds veritable, altho I don't believe that GGG has already met a guy who hit as hard as Pavlik (the fashion in which he beat Taylor still impresses me)... Canelo came close-enough to that, but I can't picture how GGG would've reacted to such a big bad guy.
Taylor's durability is just nowhere close to the level where GGG or Canelo are.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 17:05
by klitoris
Prime Pavlik was no joke and had good size. I think he would give GGG a run for his money similarly to Jacobs, but I think a prime GGG stops him late.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 17:19
by Jacopodb
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:02
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:35
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:22
Golovkin wouldn’t trade punches with Pavlik, in the same way he didn’t trade punches with Lemieux. GGG would have comfortably outboxed Pavlik.
That sounds veritable, altho I don't believe that GGG has already met a guy who hit as hard as Pavlik (the fashion in which he beat Taylor still impresses me)... Canelo came close-enough to that, but I can't picture how GGG would've reacted to such a big bad guy.
Taylor's durability is just nowhere close to the level where GGG or Canelo are.
The Taylor that fought Pavlik was a little past-his-prime, but he was still Jermain Taylor in his early 30s... it wasn't the fact that Pavlik beat Taylor alone, it was the
fashion in which he did it...
For instance, both the Taylor that beat Hopkins,
and the Pavlik that beat Taylor, would expose GGG's evident flaws (how could anyone watch Golovkin's face after Canelo's care and claim that "Golovkin outboxed Canelo"... not even Charlie Z...), so: if the best versions of Pavlik and Taylor layed their hands on Golovkin, I'm afraid... so long, GGG...
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 18:28
by boxing_rocks
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:19
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:02
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 16:35
That sounds veritable, altho I don't believe that GGG has already met a guy who hit as hard as Pavlik (the fashion in which he beat Taylor still impresses me)... Canelo came close-enough to that, but I can't picture how GGG would've reacted to such a big bad guy.
Taylor's durability is just nowhere close to the level where GGG or Canelo are.
The Taylor that fought Pavlik was a little past-his-prime, but he was still Jermain Taylor in his early 30s... it wasn't the fact that Pavlik beat Taylor alone, it was the
fashion in which he did it...
For instance, both the Taylor that beat Hopkins,
and the Pavlik that beat Taylor, would expose GGG's evident flaws (how could anyone watch Golovkin's face after Canelo's care and claim that "Golovkin outboxed Canelo"... not even Charlie Z...), so: if the best versions of Pavlik and Taylor layed their hands on Golovkin, I'm afraid... so long, GGG...
Golovkin's skin is just sensitive. Yes, he clearly ouboxed Canelo and would easily do the same to Pavlik. Taylor would be brutally stopped.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 18:52
by Jacopodb
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 18:28
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:19
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 17:02
Taylor's durability is just nowhere close to the level where GGG or Canelo are.
The Taylor that fought Pavlik was a little past-his-prime, but he was still Jermain Taylor in his early 30s... it wasn't the fact that Pavlik beat Taylor alone, it was the
fashion in which he did it...
For instance, both the Taylor that beat Hopkins,
and the Pavlik that beat Taylor, would expose GGG's evident flaws (how could anyone watch Golovkin's face after Canelo's care and claim that "Golovkin outboxed Canelo"... not even Charlie Z...), so: if the best versions of Pavlik and Taylor layed their hands on Golovkin, I'm afraid... so long, GGG...
Golovkin's skin is just sensitive. Yes, he clearly ouboxed Canelo and would easily do the same to Pavlik. Taylor would be brutally stopped.
I once had a boxing trainer (just the guy you think he should know better than you...) claiming that Hopkins had won over Calzaghe... by then, I'm psychologically prepared to hear and read anything about boxing.
If GGG's skin is so sensitive, then he might easily lose for a cut over his eye against bad-ass Pavlik... If it isn't so sensitive, ol' Pavlik would make it look like it is...
...While a peaking Jermain Taylor would wear flat-footed, robotic Golovkin down like no boxer has done, yet.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 18:57
by caldo2025
Who are the 7 idiots that have not only never seen a boxing match but a fight?
If I ran this site, I’d find those 7 dipshiit and bar their IP Adress from ever connecting g to this site. In fact, then I’d go and call some family members, organize an intervention and make sure he’s smart enough to conduct himself in a society. Idiots
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 19:07
by Jacopodb
caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 18:57
Who are the 7 idiots that have not only never seen a boxing match but a fight?
If I ran this site, I’d find those 7 dipshiit and bar their IP Adress from ever connecting g to this site. In fact, then I’d go and call some family members, organize an intervention and make sure he’s smart enough to conduct himself in a society. Idiots
In the 1600s, people were talking in that fashion about lads guilty of stating that the Sun is technically a star.
Re: GGG vs Pavlik
Posted: 28 Dec 2018, 19:15
by caldo2025
Jacopodb wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 19:07
caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 18:57
Who are the 7 idiots that have not only never seen a boxing match but a fight?
If I ran this site, I’d find those 7 dipshiit and bar their IP Adress from ever connecting g to this site. In fact, then I’d go and call some family members, organize an intervention and make sure he’s smart enough to conduct himself in a society. Idiots
In the 1600s, people were talking in that fashion about lads guilty of stating that the Sun is technically a star.
No doubt you’re an intellectual or one trying to be. I read a book once so whatever.