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Tyson senses doom lol. When did Tyson turn into a basset hound 15 minutes before an earthquake.

IKSRTFO wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Floyd is a sharper, more accurate counterpuncher than JMM.

And Manny may find out too late that Floyd punches as hard or harder.

Below are links to compubox stats for all 4 fights.

If you are a Pac fan, this does not bode well no matter what Iron Mike says...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Juan_ ... meeting%29

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... y-pacquiao

http://www.mannypaquiaovs.com/pacquiao- ... box-stats/

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stat ... -pacquiao/

Means nothing because they are different types of counter punchers. Marquez ALWAYS puts himself in position to be hit in order to counter Pacquiao. He's even willing to take some to get his counters off. That was the trick against Pacquiao. Now ask yourself is Floyd willing to do that?

Putting himself in position to be hit?

LMAO!!!!

JMM is not trying to get hit when he throws counters, he just can't get out of the way as often as he'd like.

Floyd can deliver AND not get hit better than anyone in the game right now not named Rigondeaux.

That is why he is considered an even better counterpuncher than JMM.

koolkc107 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Floyd is a sharper, more accurate counterpuncher than JMM.

And Manny may find out too late that Floyd punches as hard or harder.

Below are links to compubox stats for all 4 fights.

If you are a Pac fan, this does not bode well no matter what Iron Mike says...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Juan_ ... meeting%29

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... y-pacquiao

http://www.mannypaquiaovs.com/pacquiao- ... box-stats/

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stat ... -pacquiao/

Means nothing because they are different types of counter punchers. Marquez ALWAYS puts himself in position to be hit in order to counter Pacquiao. He's even willing to take some to get his counters off. That was the trick against Pacquiao. Now ask yourself is Floyd willing to do that?

Putting himself in position to be hit?

LMAO!!!!

You laughing your ass off at your own lack of boxing knowledge. Have a watch of Bradley vs JMM then tell us how funny the notion is that Marquez puts himself in range order to take 1 to counter with a combo.

LOL!

Marquez getting in range is not the same as him being willing to take a shot to give one.

The best counterpunchers (and JMM certainly is one) try to use distance to draw fire yet NOT get hit.

JMM gets hit more now because he is older, simple as that.

Hint: Check Pac's punches landed in each fight.

Hint 2: Compare how much JMM gets hit by Pac to how much other fighters get hit by Pac.

JMM is definitely NOT trying to give some to get some. He boxes and boxes well.

koolkc107 wrote:LOL!

Marquez getting in range is not the same as him being willing to take a shot to give one.

The best counterpunchers (and JMM certainly is one) try to use distance to draw fire yet NOT get hit.

JMM gets hit more now because he is older, simple as that.

Hint: Check Pac's punches landed in each fight.

Hint 2: Compare how much JMM gets hit by Pac to how much other fighters get hit by Pac.

JMM is definitely NOT trying to give some to get some. He boxes and boxes well.

He boxes and boxes well but he still gets hit because he is unable to move out of the way of punches coming (not willing), just look at his first fight with Manny, he was younger then and faster but was still unable to get out of the way of the shots.

Later in the fight he did much better than he did initially but let's make no mistake, Manny was basically catching/hitting him at will which is why he was able to score 3 knockdowns.

Go and ask JMM if he wanted to be knockdown 3 times by Manny in their first fight or those other times he was put down and I can guarantee anyone that JMM will not say "I was waiting for him to hit me so I could counter".

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:LOL!

Marquez getting in range is not the same as him being willing to take a shot to give one.

The best counterpunchers (and JMM certainly is one) try to use distance to draw fire yet NOT get hit.

JMM gets hit more now because he is older, simple as that.

Hint: Check Pac's punches landed in each fight.

Hint 2: Compare how much JMM gets hit by Pac to how much other fighters get hit by Pac.

JMM is definitely NOT trying to give some to get some. He boxes and boxes well.

He boxes and boxes well but he still gets hit because he is unable to move out of the way of punches coming (not willing), just look at his first fight with Manny, he was younger then and faster but was still unable to get out of the way of the shots.

Later in the fight he did much better than he did initially but let's make no mistake, Manny was basically catching/hitting him at will which is why he was able to score 3 knockdowns.

Go and ask JMM if he wanted to be knockdown 3 times by Manny in their first fight or those other times he was put down and I can guarantee anyone that JMM will not say "I was waiting for him to hit me so I could counter".

Exactly.

JMM gets hit (and has gotten hit more as he has gotten older) not because he is trying to "give one to get one" but because he just can't avoid punches as well as he used to.

Keep in mind, his D is still lightyears ahead of a whole lot of folks and over the years he has taken less punishment from Pac than almost every other opponent.

What is interesting is, even with the 3 KDs, the punches landed for Pac in the first fight were the lowest for the 3 that went the distance, with JMM getting hit more each successive fight.

I pity anyone who reads your posts. Really poor.

What is really funny about what Mike is saying is that his information is flat out wrong.

In a way, he proves what a tough night it is going to be for Pac.

He cites Bradley and JMM as guys who "throw 100 punches a round".

Well, Tim did throw a lot of punches the first time he and Manny fought...and most of us know he lost.

He threw less punches the 2nd fight and was even with Manny halfway thru.

JMM, on the other hand, never has thrown a lot of punches against Pac.

He throws about 500 to 550 in 12 rounds...which is about what Floyd customarily does.

Only Mayweather is much more accurate.

koolkc107 wrote:What is really funny about what Mike is saying is that his information is flat out wrong.

In a way, he proves what a tough night it is going to be for Pac.

He cites Bradley and JMM as guys who "throw 100 punches a round".

Well, Tim did throw a lot of punches the first time he and Manny fought...and most of us know he lost.

He threw less punches the 2nd fight and was even with Manny halfway thru.

JMM, on the other hand, never has thrown a lot of punches against Pac.

He throws about 500 to 550 in 12 rounds...which is about what Floyd customarily does.

Only Mayweather is much more accurate.

Only mayweather's style is nothing like Marquez's

Ricky_ wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:What is really funny about what Mike is saying is that his information is flat out wrong.

In a way, he proves what a tough night it is going to be for Pac.

He cites Bradley and JMM as guys who "throw 100 punches a round".

Well, Tim did throw a lot of punches the first time he and Manny fought...and most of us know he lost.

He threw less punches the 2nd fight and was even with Manny halfway thru.

JMM, on the other hand, never has thrown a lot of punches against Pac.

He throws about 500 to 550 in 12 rounds...which is about what Floyd customarily does.

Only Mayweather is much more accurate.

Only mayweather's style is nothing like Marquez's

True. Floyd's style will translate to a much easier antidote to Pac than JMM's has.

I tell you what, if things don't change, it will be my last day here. I have a high tolerance level for a lot of things, but not that kind of thing. Not a big enough deal that I will lose any sleep. If I want to take a look at anyone taking a dump, I can probably google that. Enjoy.

koolkc107 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

jujigatame wrote:
Fact is, the first 3 fights could all have gone either way, and he's clearly done better against Manny than any other opponent. And you know this.

Yes he's done better against Manny but that's like saying Maidana and Castillo did better against Floyd. It doesn't dispute the fact that they didn't win. Marquez only won once.

Floyd is a sharper, more accurate counterpuncher than JMM.

And Manny may find out too late that Floyd punches as hard or harder.

Below are links to compubox stats for all 4 fights.

If you are a Pac fan, this does not bode well no matter what Iron Mike says...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Juan_ ... meeting%29

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... y-pacquiao

http://www.mannypaquiaovs.com/pacquiao- ... box-stats/

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stat ... -pacquiao/

Lumping Floyd and JMM under the "counter-puncher" umbrella is foolish. Marquez's style is significantly different from Mayweather's.