Tyson senses doom for Floyd vs. Pacquiao

[montrealsuper]

Very interesting analysis by Mike on Pac vs. Floyd. Says Pac throws too many shots and Floyd throws not enough. Floyd plods and stands and pot shots. Mike says to beat Pac you have to throw a hundred punches a round. Says Pac will win all the rounds. Floyd has to come out and fight Pac. Mike likes how Pac is all over the place, moving feinting punching. Mike apologized for picking against Floyd but it's just how he sees it. Just my opinion, said Mike.

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[jujigatame]

Mike has brain damage. Marquez doesn't throw 100 punches per round. If anything, it's been shown the way to beat Manny is by counterpunching.

[KBB]

Very interesting analysis by Mike on Pac vs. Floyd. Says Pac throws too many shots and Floyd throws not enough. Floyd plods and stands and pot shots. Mike says to beat Pac you have to throw a hundred punches a round. Says Pac will win all the rounds. Floyd has to come out and fight Pac. Mike likes how Pac is all over the place, moving feinting punching. Mike apologized for picking against Floyd but it's just how he sees it. Just my opinion, said Mike.

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It's no big secret that Mike has never like Mayweather, he was rooting for Corrales to beat Floyd and I heard he lost a lot of money on the bet he made on him and he even swung at Floyd (mockingly, of course) and Mayweather didn't even blink or flinch.

It's going to be funny when Tyson has to eat all of his dumb ass words.

[Ricky_]

Very interesting analysis by Mike on Pac vs. Floyd. Says Pac throws too many shots and Floyd throws not enough. Floyd plods and stands and pot shots. Mike says to beat Pac you have to throw a hundred punches a round. Says Pac will win all the rounds. Floyd has to come out and fight Pac. Mike likes how Pac is all over the place, moving feinting punching. Mike apologized for picking against Floyd but it's just how he sees it. Just my opinion, said Mike.

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It's no big secret that Mike has never like Mayweather, he was rooting for Corrales to beat Floyd and I heard he lost a lot of money on the bet he made on him and he even swung at Floyd (mockingly, of course) and Mayweather didn't even blink or flinch.

It's going to be funny when Tyson has to eat all of his dumb ass words.

you probably think Floyd would kick Mikes ass huh?

Tyson is a student of the game. His art was based upon coming forward, working your way inside through footwork and head movement and to that end he's mesmerised by Pacquiao.

[montrealsuper]

Very interesting analysis by Mike on Pac vs. Floyd. Says Pac throws too many shots and Floyd throws not enough. Floyd plods and stands and pot shots. Mike says to beat Pac you have to throw a hundred punches a round. Says Pac will win all the rounds. Floyd has to come out and fight Pac. Mike likes how Pac is all over the place, moving feinting punching. Mike apologized for picking against Floyd but it's just how he sees it. Just my opinion, said Mike.

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It's no big secret that Mike has never like Mayweather, he was rooting for Corrales to beat Floyd and I heard he lost a lot of money on the bet he made on him and he even swung at Floyd (mockingly, of course) and Mayweather didn't even blink or flinch.

It's going to be funny when Tyson has to eat all of his dumb ass words.

you probably think Floyd would kick Mikes ass huh?

Tyson is a student of the game. His art was based upon coming forward, working your way inside through footwork and head movement and to that end he's mesmerised by Pacquiao.

Good post, well said. Tyson knows boxing genius when he sees it. And Tyson knows a protected handpicking fraud when he sees it.

[coneye]

It is interesting what Mike says , and also true ... Floyd has had a lot his own way in recent fights ,, he's been the man , he picks who he wants to fight , and does'nt fight anyone in there prime , they are usually slower and allow him to be cute , he has speed , and knows how to use it ,, but if sitting back pot shotting does'nt do it , he reverts to holding , rubbing laces across the face , and complaining to the ref . He's a master of unsettling opponents , and ALWAYS has the ref in his corner .

This time round , i dunno , Paccy hits hard enough to certainly give Floyd a scare if not stop him .. Paccy is fast enough himself , and ackward enough to actually put the pressure on and get some rounds under his belt .

But most of all this fight is high profile enough that for once we might actually see a neutral referee , I would love nothing better than to see Floyd get pinged for the holding and hitting , the holding and rubbing laces on the face . ,

If he did get warned for dirty tactics , he would go to peices ,, probably storm out the ring saying its not fair , he wants more money if he has to abide by the rules .

[Chepppaaa]

Mike has brain damage. Marquez doesn't throw 100 punches per round. If anything, it's been shown the way to beat Manny is by counterpunching.

no. marquez in his first 3 wars with pacquiao was throwing so many punches.

also, you cant say exactly how to beat pac, that it is obvious to beat pac is to counter, because you dont know which pac will show up. will the pac show up who was in wars with morales and was just coming infront of you to knock you out and trade shots or is the pac from the oscar fight coming who stands outside, gets in quick, delivers a combo and goes out quick.

[Rodian]

Canelo was punching air and got 4 rounds from Dave Moretti and 6 rounds from CJ Ross

Pacman can also punch air and do it a lot more than Canelo, and he will definitely land more. Mike is on point

[KBB]

you probably think Floyd would kick Mikes ass huh?

Tyson is a student of the game. His art was based upon coming forward, working your way inside through footwork and head movement and to that end he's mesmerised by Pacquiao.

LOL at Floyd kicking Mike's ass.....that's some funny ish right there. I think you missed your calling as a Comedian because you really crack me the f*ck up.

Thanks for telling about how Mike fights, I've never seen him in the ring. At least you are not just plain stupid like this dude's quote below!

Tyson knows boxing genius when he sees it. And Tyson knows a protected handpicking fraud when he sees it.

Says this about Floyd who has fought more than 25 world champions, every boxer should be as astute at "handpicking" if they get a record like this.

Should Manny win it, are you going to give him an ounce of credit for beating a "handpicked" fraud? I bet you'll be the worst fan on this board, literally you'd be posting pics of you slobbing Manny's knob if he wins and talking about how he's "The Greatest".

[bnovelist]

Bernie Villorente · Top Commenter
The reason why Floyd doesn't want to deal with Bob Arum is the fact that he wanted to talk to Manny personally to "stage" the fight. Mark, this fight is fixed. Floyd is so sure to win this fight that even 50 cent is betting $1.6 million on Floyd to beat Manny. Manny has a huge tax obligation back home amounting to more than a billion peso and the only way he could pay it is to fight Floyd. Floyd knows this and took advantage of it.

The only way Pacquiao defeats Floyd is to bum rush and pepper him with punches. But Manny's not going to do that. Come fight night, both fighters will dance to Floyd's choreography - and throw punches just enough to fool the paying public into thinking that the fight was close or exciting enough to merit a rematch.

Manny's chances of beating Floyd is zero because he has now put his greed for money, fame and power above glory. Boxing has given him so much but in return he turned his back on it(by indulging in politics, showbiz, etc). That's why the gods of boxing punished him with that knockout against Marquez.

No matter how many dream about Manny beating Floyd, reality is that, it's all written in stone - Floyd will beat Pacquiao on May 2nd - and that's coming from a staunch, diehard, Filipino Pacquiao fan.

[KBB]

Bernie Villorente · Top Commenter
The reason why Floyd doesn't want to deal with Bob Arum is the fact that he wanted to talk to Manny personally to "stage" the fight. Mark, this fight is fixed. Floyd is so sure to win this fight that even 50 cent is betting $1.6 million on Floyd to beat Manny. Manny has a huge tax obligation back home amounting to more than a billion peso and the only way he could pay it is to fight Floyd. Floyd knows this and took advantage of it.

The only way Pacquiao defeats Floyd is to bum rush and pepper him with punches. But Manny's not going to do that. Come fight night, both fighters will dance to Floyd's choreography - and throw punches just enough to fool the paying public into thinking that the fight was close or exciting enough to merit a rematch.

Manny's chances of beating Floyd is zero because he has now put his greed for money, fame and power above glory. Boxing has given him so much but in return he turned his back on it(by indulging in politics, showbiz, etc). That's why the gods of boxing punished him with that knockout against Marquez.

No matter how many dream about Manny beating Floyd, reality is that, it's all written in stone - Floyd will beat Pacquiao on May 2nd - and that's coming from a staunch, diehard, Filipino Pacquiao fan.

[KBB]

Yesterday, it was reported by several media outlets that seven-time trainer of the year Freddie Roach chose two sparring partners to assist Manny Pacquiao in his training camp while the Hall of Fame boxing coach was out of the country with IBF Flyweight title challenger Zou Shiming.

The two young fighters Roach selected for Manny’s initial sparring sessions are Rashid “Speedy” Lewis (13-0, 10 KOs) and Kenneth “Bossman” Sims (5-0, 2 KOs). According to the renowned boxing mentor, both fighters were chosen because of their uncanny ability to replicate Floyd Mayweather’s fight style in the ring.

Three decade fight trainer and FightSaga Radio personality James Gogue claims that Roach’s alleged find is merely a product of wishful thinking.


“There are no fighters in the world who can replicate what Manny’s going to see on May 2,” affirms the astute boxing expert.

“You can watch tape and work with guys who try to emulate Floyd, but it’s totally different once you get in the ring with him.”



The expert strategist points out that Floyd’s style is much more versatile than most fighters and trainers realize.

“Most people are under the impression that he merely uses the shoulder roll and that’s it,” claims James Gogue.

“But his natural gifts enable him to change strategies at any given time within the fight…he uses his reflexes, athleticism, and high ring IQ to discourage his opponents. When they start missing punches and begin eating sharp, counters, his opposition always begins to second guess themselves and lose confidence. It’s called mentally breaking down your adversaries…Floyd does it to everyone in the ring.”


“You can combine Lewis and Sims’ ring IQ and multiply it by 100, and that still won’t equal Floyd’s ring intelligence."

"Unfortunately for everybody else in the sport, no trainer can teach what Floyd possesses in the ring. Mayweather is blessed with God given ability.”



Gogue gives Manny only one chance to win on May 2nd.

“Manny has a puncher’s chance against Floyd Mayweather,” insists the three decade fight trainer. “And if the Pacman lands a punch that hurts Floyd, he’d better put him away. Because he’s not going to see that opportunity again for the remainder of the fight.”

“Freddie and Manny have no clue what they’re up against…but they’ll find out on May 2nd. Unfortunately there are no sparring partners available who can imitate Floyd’s abilities in the ring. They find out the hard way on fight night.”

Fight fans can listen to the strategic boxing expert every Monday night at 9PM ET/6PM PT on “The Sweet Science
withJames Gogue”, exclusively on the FightSaga Radio Network!!
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[jujigatame]

Mike has brain damage. Marquez doesn't throw 100 punches per round. If anything, it's been shown the way to beat Manny is by counterpunching.

no. marquez in his first 3 wars with pacquiao was throwing so many punches.

You're imagining things. Marquez only threw 41 punches per round in the 4 fights against Pac.

[IKSRTFO]

Mike has brain damage. Marquez doesn't throw 100 punches per round. If anything, it's been shown the way to beat Manny is by counterpunching.

no. marquez in his first 3 wars with pacquiao was throwing so many punches.

You're imagining things. Marquez only threw 41 punches per round in the 4 fights against Pac.

And only won 1 out of 4 so that point is invalid.

[man]

i never felt mike is doing a great job
observing the game. being a an ATG
fighter is one thing, calling situations
from the outside quite another. i for
one always felt george foreman did
not do any exceptional work in the
commentator seat either …

[jujigatame]

And only won 1 out of 4 so that point is invalid.

Not sure if you're serious, but if so, that's pretty intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

[IKSRTFO]

And only won 1 out of 4 so that point is invalid.

Not sure if you're serious, but if so, that's pretty intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

Fact is...Marquez only won 1 out of 4 fights.

[jujigatame]

And only won 1 out of 4 so that point is invalid.

Not sure if you're serious, but if so, that's pretty intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

Fact is...Marquez only won 1 out of 4 fights.

Fact is, the first 3 fights could all have gone either way, and he's clearly done better against Manny than any other opponent. And you know this.

[IKSRTFO]

Fact is, the first 3 fights could all have gone either way, and he's clearly done better against Manny than any other opponent. And you know this.

Yes he's done better against Manny but that's like saying Maidana and Castillo did better against Floyd. It doesn't dispute the fact that they didn't win. Marquez only won once.

[koolkc107]

Fact is, the first 3 fights could all have gone either way, and he's clearly done better against Manny than any other opponent. And you know this.

Yes he's done better against Manny but that's like saying Maidana and Castillo did better against Floyd. It doesn't dispute the fact that they didn't win. Marquez only won once.

Floyd is a sharper, more accurate counterpuncher than JMM.

And Manny may find out too late that Floyd punches as hard or harder.

Below are links to compubox stats for all 4 fights.

If you are a Pac fan, this does not bode well no matter what Iron Mike says...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Juan_ ... meeting%29

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... y-pacquiao

http://www.mannypaquiaovs.com/pacquiao- ... box-stats/

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stat ... -pacquiao/

[jujigatame]

Yes he's done better against Manny but that's like saying Maidana and Castillo did better against Floyd. It doesn't dispute the fact that they didn't win. Marquez only won once.

Stop being intentionally obtuse. If you're trying to figure out what style is best suited to beat a fighter (especially a fighter who is a P4P type talent with very few losses) it makes absolute sense to look at the guy who took him to multiple razor-thin decisions and then eventually KO'd him.

Your point is silly, it's obvious you're arguing just to argue.

[bnovelist]

Bernie Villorente · Top Commenter
The reason why Floyd doesn't want to deal with Bob Arum is the fact that he wanted to talk to Manny personally to "stage" the fight. Mark, this fight is fixed. Floyd is so sure to win this fight that even 50 cent is betting $1.6 million on Floyd to beat Manny. Manny has a huge tax obligation back home amounting to more than a billion peso and the only way he could pay it is to fight Floyd. Floyd knows this and took advantage of it.

The only way Pacquiao defeats Floyd is to bum rush and pepper him with punches. But Manny's not going to do that. Come fight night, both fighters will dance to Floyd's choreography - and throw punches just enough to fool the paying public into thinking that the fight was close or exciting enough to merit a rematch.

Manny's chances of beating Floyd is zero because he has now put his greed for money, fame and power above glory. Boxing has given him so much but in return he turned his back on it(by indulging in politics, showbiz, etc). That's why the gods of boxing punished him with that knockout against Marquez.

No matter how many dream about Manny beating Floyd, reality is that, it's all written in stone - Floyd will beat Pacquiao on May 2nd - and that's coming from a staunch, diehard, Filipino Pacquiao fan

[IKSRTFO]

Fact is, the first 3 fights could all have gone either way, and he's clearly done better against Manny than any other opponent. And you know this.

Yes he's done better against Manny but that's like saying Maidana and Castillo did better against Floyd. It doesn't dispute the fact that they didn't win. Marquez only won once.

Floyd is a sharper, more accurate counterpuncher than JMM.

And Manny may find out too late that Floyd punches as hard or harder.

Below are links to compubox stats for all 4 fights.

If you are a Pac fan, this does not bode well no matter what Iron Mike says...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Juan_ ... meeting%29

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... y-pacquiao

http://www.mannypaquiaovs.com/pacquiao- ... box-stats/

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stat ... -pacquiao/

Means nothing because they are different types of counter punchers. Marquez ALWAYS puts himself in position to be hit in order to counter Pacquiao. He's even willing to take some to get his counters off. That was the trick against Pacquiao. Now ask yourself is Floyd willing to do that?

[KBB]

Means nothing because they are different types of counter punchers. Marquez ALWAYS puts himself in position to be hit in order to counter Pacquiao. He's even willing to take some to get his counters off. That was the trick against Pacquiao. Now ask yourself is Floyd willing to do that?

I don't agree with him PUTTING himself into a position to be hit, I think he just doesn't either possess the speed or the defense to not get hit in whatever position he is in whenever he counters.

I don't believe any fighter really likes to get hit.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

F uck ...

Weeks of Manny fans making topics every time someone picks Manny.