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david1963 wrote:It was common knowledge for a long time that Martinez had knee problems. Pacquiao's shoulder injury was a revelation after his "fight" with Mayweather. There's a big difference in the two scenarios.

Sergio Martinez DISAGREES with you:


http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... ez_msg.php

After the fight, after Miguel Cotto dominated Sergio Martinez for nine rounds at Madison Square Garden, a man in a suit stood behind a podium to tell the gathered media that Martinez would not be attending the press conference because he had to go to the hospital for a precautionary check-up. Martinez, the man added, did want to pass along a message, though.

"The one thing he wanted me to tell you was there is no excuse," the man said. "There was no problem with his knee. There was no problem with his hand. He got caught with a great punch in the first round and he never recovered. He wanted everybody to know this was Miguel Cotto's night, this was Miguel Cotto's victory. Miguel Cotto is a great champion."

"He had to go to the hospital for a precautionary check-up" and he plans to retire because "his knee is shattered":

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/051 ... ee-issues/?

He is just smarter than Pacquiao, and didn't want viewers to feel deceived.

ikorolev wrote:"He had to go to the hospital for a precautionary check-up" and he plans to retire because "his knee is shattered":

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/051 ... ee-issues/?

He is just smarter than Pacquiao, and didn't want viewers to feel deceived.

That's not saying much.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:"He had to go to the hospital for a precautionary check-up" and he plans to retire because "his knee is shattered":

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/051 ... ee-issues/?

He is just smarter than Pacquiao, and didn't want viewers to feel deceived.

That's not saying much.

In that, I would have to agree with you. But the fact remains that he fought Cotto without a knee.

ikorolev wrote:In that, I would have to agree with you. But the fact remains that he fought Cotto without a knee.

I love how you just disregarded what Sergio Martinez said himself to provide an excuse for him, but then again you're probably one of the ones who makes the same type of BS excuse for Manny even though he never used that excuse after supposedly having this injury since 2008.

Convenience to state he didn't have a knee makes you feel comfortable so that you can console yourself due to the fact that Martinez lost, then by all means; help yourself to a cup of excuses.

Right, and he is retiring just to make everybody think that he lost due to the knee issue. Brut, Manny is a smart person compared to you.

ikorolev wrote:Right, and he is retiring just to make everybody think that he lost due to the knee issue. Brut, Manny is a smart person compared to you.

You're an idiot, he made no excuses for losing to Cotto but here you are still making pathetic excuses. The only dumb person here is you, arguing with the guy who fought Cotto.

All I did was posted what he stated, if that makes me dumb because you won't accept it then what does that say about you?? (rhetorical)

Words aren't worth much **. Actions are. He is retiring due to his knee, period.

** Yours worth zero which is why I am ignoring your insults.

ikorolev wrote:Words aren't worth much **. Actions are. He is retiring due to his knee, period.

** Yours worth zero which is why I am ignoring your insults.

I'm not ignoring your insults and I posted what he stated, even if he is retiring because of his knee(s) then he didn't make that as an excuse like you are doing.

ikorolev wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote: No it certainly isn't. He's a tough guy who can make things really difficult. But I have to say, I have a weird feeling he won't come out of there with a decision. Call me cynical, but Daniel Geale as "lineal" middleweight champion? Some people are losing a lot of potential money in that scenario.

I'd like to be wrong and that this will just be a well conducted and fairly judged sporting event though, but yeah, if it's close.....

Geale would need to be a very clear winner to get a decision. He better stop the little guy.

Speaking about a "lineal" middleweight champion, the title has already been compromised by Martinez being half-disabled when fighting Cotto. Everybody sues Pacquiao now, but Martinez clearly deceived the public by saying that his knees were fine.

Oh, I'm not saying it isn't somewhat compromised. I mean if you ask me, and I suspect most from what I hear/read, Golovkin is clearly the best middleweight in the world, and I'd not have much problem with calling him champion. I mean more from a marketing side, if you can attach the word "lineal", it obviously can help sell something.

You and I will know that a "real" middleweight championship of the world fight needs to include Golovkin at this point. But the majority of the casual sports fans? The "lineal champion" thing will make it sound more important, even if it is tarnished by now.

Fight Ward at a catchweight of 165

5burowz wrote:Fight Ward at a catchweight of 165

No he won't, he's too buys stating he's only a MW when Ward wants him but is willing to drop to 154 for Floyd while ducking Lara who called him out.

5burowz wrote:Fight Ward at a catchweight of 165

The only person Ward would drain down to 165 for is probably Floyd. Andre's next fight is at 172, so he is obviously not comfortable making 168.

Golovkin would fight Ward at 168, but they both are not willing to take a huge risk for the same money they fight Monroes and Smiths. Unfortunately for everybody, the money needed for that fight is not available yet.

KBB wrote:

david1963 wrote:It was common knowledge for a long time that Martinez had knee problems. Pacquiao's shoulder injury was a revelation after his "fight" with Mayweather. There's a big difference in the two scenarios.

Sergio Martinez DISAGREES with you:


http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... ez_msg.php

After the fight, after Miguel Cotto dominated Sergio Martinez for nine rounds at Madison Square Garden, a man in a suit stood behind a podium to tell the gathered media that Martinez would not be attending the press conference because he had to go to the hospital for a precautionary check-up. Martinez, the man added, did want to pass along a message, though.

"The one thing he wanted me to tell you was there is no excuse," the man said. "There was no problem with his knee. There was no problem with his hand. He got caught with a great punch in the first round and he never recovered. He wanted everybody to know this was Miguel Cotto's night, this was Miguel Cotto's victory. Miguel Cotto is a great champion."

How does any of that make "It was common knowledge for a long time that Martinez had knee problems" wrong? He had those problems when he fought Murray and even before then. Only Martinez and his team will know if he had those knee problems when he entered the ring against Cotto. As for what Martinez's representative said after the fight, it's not unheard of for a boxer to not want to be seen to be complaining or taking credit away from someone who beat him.

david1963 wrote:How does any of that make "It was common knowledge for a long time that Martinez had knee problems" wrong? He had those problems when he fought Murray and even before then. Only Martinez and his team will know if he had those knee problems when he entered the ring against Cotto. As for what Martinez's representative said after the fight, it's not unheard of for a boxer to not want to be seen to be complaining or taking credit away from someone who beat him.

My statement was exactly what Sergio Martinez said, I did not say he didn't have knee problems, Martinez made it clear that Cotto beat him because he rattled him with a shot(s) that he never recovered from and that's the reason why he lost.

Notice, he never blamed it on his knee problems. I'm not sure why that is a problem for anyone else here as I have used exactly what he stated and not my own words.

KBB is just plain dumb. He just can't get it.

The fact that Martinez didn't blame his loss to his knee issues is most likely due to one or both of the following:
- he is smarter than Pac and didn't want to let fans feel deceived and possibly get sued
- he is too proud to look for excuses

Once again, words don't mean much. The fact that he retires due to his knee does.

ikorolev wrote:KBB is just plain dumb. He just can't get it.

The fact that Martinez didn't blame his loss to his knee issues is most likely due to one or both of the following:
- he is smarter than Pac and didn't want to let fans feel deceived and possibly get sued
- he is too proud to look for excuses

Once again, words don't mean much. The fact that he retires due to his knee does.

Why are you so angry? What have I said or done to you to make you this way? You have some serious issues little man, all I did was put a link to what Martinez said and you have a problem with it, maybe because you dislike Cotto or you love Martinez but either way you are one sore and pathetic little person.

Martinez didn't blame his knees for his loss, what part of that do you not understand?

Nevermind, I just realized I'm talking to the dumbest person on this forum and maybe even on the planet.

You are just incapable of digesting arguments which are beyond trivial. I repeat an explanation multiple times, and you still don't get it. You even quote it, and still don't get it. Poor children who are subjected to you being their teacher

ikorolev wrote:You are just incapable of digesting arguments which are beyond trivial. I repeat an explanation multiple times, and you still don't get it. You even quote it, and still don't get it. Poor children who are subjected to you being their teacher

LOL, you honestly think any of what you said has any bearing whatsoever on what Martinez said, sure he may be retiring because of his knees, only he isn't using that as an excuse. Which part of that do you not understand?

My greatest hope is that you do not have children because the world doesn't need anymore contamination than it can already stand, rip your b@ll$ off before you poison the rest of society with your idiocy.

Have a nice day

fergusg wrote:"De La Hoya says he’ll wait 2 years before matching Canelo with Golovkin"

“There’s concern now because Triple-G is a solid middleweight,” De La Hoya said after Canelo’s fight against Kirkland last Saturday. “Canelo can make 154 with no problem. We have to keep in mind that Canelo had been out of the ring before this fight for nine months, and he did make the weight relatively easy. He looked strong, he looked in tremendous shape. So we have to go back to the drawing board and discuss the future plans and decide what weight he feels comfortable with. But eventually he is going to grow into a middleweight, and he is going to fight Triple G when the time is right. In a year and a half to two years down the road, Triple G-Canelo will surpass any kind of number and hype that last week’s fight [Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao], and they will guarantee action...” De La Hoya said.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/de- ... -golovkin/

In simple terms, Oscar De La Hoya isn't interested in risking his most prized asset against Gennady Golovkin at this moment in time, he'd rather wait until 2017, when GGG will be 35 years of age and slightly past his physical prime.

No way Canelo-GGG surpasses anything unless both guys fight better competition, especially Triple G.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:You are just incapable of digesting arguments which are beyond trivial. I repeat an explanation multiple times, and you still don't get it. You even quote it, and still don't get it. Poor children who are subjected to you being their teacher

LOL, you honestly think any of what you said has any bearing whatsoever on what Martinez said, sure he may be retiring because of his knees, only he isn't using that as an excuse. Which part of that do you not understand?

No, it has no bearing on what he said. My point is that what he said is irrelevant, and I explained why. However, you obviously can't comprehend more than 1-step logical combinations.

ikorolev wrote:No, it has no bearing on what he said. My point is that what he said is irrelevant, and I explained why. However, you obviously can't comprehend more than 1-step logical combinations.

I personally don't care about the BS post you made, I only focused on the post I added and what Martinez said. You're an idiot if you disregard the fact that he made no excuses.

Go blow yourself jerk.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:No, it has no bearing on what he said. My point is that what he said is irrelevant, and I explained why. However, you obviously can't comprehend more than 1-step logical combinations.

I personally don't care about the BS post you made, I only focused on the post I added ...

Exactly, you only hear yourself which is an equivalent of being an idiot.

ikorolev wrote:Exactly, you only hear yourself which is an equivalent of being an idiot.

I'd rather listen to an idiot than listen to a piece of crybaby sh*t like you turd.

koolkc107 wrote:What HBO has to realize is what Showtime has already reconciled itself to.

The PBC can be a tool to hype it's own fights.

You put good, eliminator style fights on the PBC.

Then you put the showdown fight on cable.

Everybody wins.

And exactly what "showdown" fight has PBC led to being on Showtime?