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record wise kovalev has the best chance. because with future opponents like stevenson, bertebiev and olympic gold egor.

quality wise its a non brainer, rigondeaux is the most skilled, technicly well rounded boxer on the planet along with floyd.

going Crawford . got more competition , then triple g unfortunately

bogan whisperer wrote:The only thing in the way of GGG moving up to P4P #1 is the reluctance of prospective opponents fighting him.

I'm sure if he moves up he will find fighters more than willing to scalp him at LHW, Beiterbiev would love to take him on. I think it's time for GGG to move up since making the excuse of no one wanting to fight him at MW is no longer a valid reason and in order to become the #1 P4P guy you have to prove yourself and moving up is one sure fire way to earn that status.

Of course, you want him to move up. No American can succeed at MW while he is there.

ikorolev wrote:Of course, you want him to move up. No American can succeed at MW while he is there.

Like I care about an American being the MW champ, you're the only one sucking the man's glove and thinking this is some Euro vs USA battle when I'm only addressing the fact that he has to move up in order to be one of the #P4P since he cannot get anyone at MW to fight him.

How long is he going to sit around and wait for the MWs to face him? How long can he use that as an excuse to stay there fighting C and B level opponents and still think he'd deserve the #1 P4P spot?

Even in your idiocy you should be able to see that he needs to move up in order to earn the P4P #1 spot.

Badhusker wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:floyd is on his way out with the ridicule berto fight, manny is out too.

so who is left.....

Floyd will still be fighting in 2016 - so it will be him.

If you really believe he is going to retire at 49-0 rather than beating Marciano's record, then you're bonkers.

Hasn't Marciano's record already broken? Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1? Maybe you are talking about unblemished record, or maybe its just that the really small guys don't count.

I think you answered your own question.

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Of course, you want him to move up. No American can succeed at MW while he is there.

Like I care about an American being the MW champ

Haven't you started a thread claiming that blacks must support black fighters ?

Breaking Marciano's record requires a fighter to quit for good unbeaten too. Simply getting to 50-0 doesn't mean Floyd has broke a record, as Chavez was officially 87-0 before he failed to win the first time (I know there is that controversial fight earlier in his career but I believe it was officially overturned by the local commission).

No way Floyd goes out at 49-0 in my opinion. Why do it when he's still in good form, can make a load of money, and surpass the Marciano mark that a lot of people seem to care about?

crusader wrote:Breaking Marciano's record requires a fighter to quit for good unbeaten too. Simply getting to 50-0 doesn't mean Floyd has broke a record, as Chavez was officially 87-0 before he failed to win the first time (I know there is that controversial fight earlier in his career but I believe it was officially overturned by the local commission).

No way Floyd goes out at 49-0 in my opinion. Why do it when he's still in good form, can make a load of money, and surpass the Marciano mark that a lot of people seem to care about?

He's already made a load of money. Can go out in good form - like so many in boxing haven't - and he may not be fussed about 50-0.

And he can make a lot more for a potentially historical and legacy enhancing fight. I just don't see him getting all the way to such a notable mark then calling it quits without going for the 50th.

We'll see though, won't we.

crusader wrote:And he can make a lot more for a potentially historical and legacy enhancing fight. I just don't see him getting all the way to such a notable mark then calling it quits without going for the 50th.

We'll see though, won't we.

I can see as many good reasons for him quitting than continuing.

How much money does one man need? He's 38 and been doing this for more than half his life. He might have just plain had enough. He sure didn't look like he enjoy the Pacquiao fight. Even if he did win.

He could've retired with many millions long ago if he wanted. He's still at the top and the 50th would be just one more fight, but it brings big rewards financially and historically.

I think it's more likely that he decides that one more fight is worth it.

crusader wrote:He could've retired with many millions long ago if he wanted. He's still at the top and the 50th would be just one more fight, but it brings big rewards financially and historically.

I think it's more likely that he decides that one more fight is worth it.

I think you are answering your own question to some degree. Yes he could have retired many millions ago. Maybe he's got enough now? Maybe he's had enough now too? 19 years as a pro, plus his amateur career is a hell of a long innings.

I think it's great a guy is looking out to go out on top. Compare that to Muhammed Ali, Roy Jones Jnr, Evander Holyfield, James Toney and Michael Katsidis - just to name a few of the thousands upon thousands who fought on too long.

One fight more, Just one fight more, That's one of the biggest dilemmas boxers face, and most fail when faced with answering that question and the cost to their health can be extreme.

What question did I pose?

Floyd is the number one fighter in the sport, handily beat another top fighter a few months ago, and would only have to win a grand total of one more time should he come through his 49th. The chances of him going out on top are still exceptionally high, and to compare him with people like Katsidis who are now getting flattened by mediocre opponents and years ago is a big stretch.

ikorolev wrote:

KBB wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Of course, you want him to move up. No American can succeed at MW while he is there.

Like I care about an American being the MW champ

Haven't you started a thread claiming that blacks must support black fighters ?

Clearly ducks the fact that GGG needs to move up but focuses on the BS Euro vs USA argument, you're good at ducking, you should challenge GGG, naw-you won't do that, you'll just duck him.

crusader wrote:What question did I pose?

Floyd is the number one fighter in the sport, handily beat another top fighter a few months ago, and would only have to win a grand total of one more time should he come through his 49th. The chances of him going out on top are still exceptionally high, and to compare him with people like Katsidis who are now getting flattened by mediocre opponents and years ago is a big stretch.

The question you posed was: Why do it when he's still in good form, can make a load of money, and surpass the Marciano mark that a lot of people seem to care about?

It was only a couple of posts ago. Forget already?

I wasn't comparing Mayweather to Katsidsis ability-wise any more than I was comparing him to Muhammad Ali ability-wise. I was presenting the scenario of fighters fighting on too long, and the level they fight at is virtually irrelevant to the problem.

It seems I did forget it

I never claimed that you were comparing him to Katsidis ability-wise but it's still a poor comparison, as it would be just one more fight (against pretty much anyone he wants) and a couple months of training camp, and he looked fine last time out against an elite opponent. Nothing suggests that with one more fight he'll be in serious danger of suffering a loss and then will keep getting beat as he holds on years after he should have retired.

I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. I remember when he announced that he was fighting Alexander only for it to actually be Guerrero, and he said that he was going to retire immediately after facing DLH yet he was in the ring later that year.

crusader wrote:It seems I did forget it

I never claimed that you were comparing him to Katsidis ability-wise but it's still a poor comparison, as it would be just one more fight (against pretty much anyone he wants) and a couple months of training camp, and he looked fine last time out against an elite opponent. Nothing suggests that with one more fight he'll be in serious danger of suffering a loss and then will keep getting beat as he holds on years after he should have retired.

I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. I remember when he announced that he was fighting Alexander only for it to actually be Guerrero, and he said that he was going to retire immediately after facing DLH yet he was in the ring later that year.

I take what most fighters say with a grain of salt. But I think Mayweather will retire after his next fight like he says he will.

Whether he stays retired indefinitely is probably another question altogether.

We'll see.

crusader wrote:We'll see.

That we will.

so these are the front runners for #1 in the world

1. ggg
2. ward
3.-7. rigondeaux/kovalev/gonzales/crawford

prety good list of top fighters. what is very interresting is that every single one is undefeated. all prime, all undefeated

ggg-ward
ward-kovalev
kovalev-stevenson
rigondeaux-walthers
gonzales-inoue
crawford-brook

we need match ups like this to clearly determin who truly is amongs the best of the best

Chepppaaa wrote:record wise kovalev has the best chance. because with future opponents like stevenson, bertebiev and olympic gold egor.

quality wise its a non brainer, rigondeaux is the most skilled, technicly well rounded boxer on the planet along with floyd.

Can I ask why people are so enamored by Rigo? The guys been knocked down 3 times in his last 4 fights and for a defensive fighter who rarely mixes it up, that really isn't too spectacular to me. P4P lists should consist of guys that can't be knocked down much less a guy who drops on a windy day like Rigo.

Please don't ever compare Rigo to Floyd...ever.

crusader wrote:And he can make a lot more for a potentially historical and legacy enhancing fight. I just don't see him getting all the way to such a notable mark then calling it quits without going for the 50th.

We'll see though, won't we.

Yes it makes zero sense, especially when he gets to pretty much hand pick and opponent.

I said this ages ago, he's out of contract for his fiftieth, there's no way it doesn't happen when he can practically write himself a blank cheque for the fight and leave the sport 50-0.

SNG wrote:I said this ages ago, he's out of contract for his fiftieth, there's no way it doesn't happen when he can practically write himself a blank cheque for the fight and leave the sport 50-0.

HBO and Showtime will pay pretty much anything for a one fight deal for Floyd.
He will fight a 50th