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Chepppaaa wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote:Ali

power 6.5
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

ali was athletic, but compared to roy, who is a 10, ali was a 8,5-9. i mean 10 is the highest, muhammad ali aint as athletic as jones jr, so no 10

speed 10, hell no, maybe 9-9,5, but ali wasnt no prime medlrick taylor or prime jones in speed.

condition....hell no...look at foremon fight how exhausted he was...

Chepppaaa wrote:
speedwise very fast at his prime, but no 10, 10 is the fastest, like prime roy, floyd was a 9,5. look at the judah mayweather fight, even judah was faster than floyd and judah aint faster than prime roy

power, like an 8 and the rest is pretty acurate.

IKSRTFO wrote:SRR
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

Henry Armstrong
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

SRL
power 10
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10


And you got people talking about Floyd

CrazyHorse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:
speedwise very fast at his prime, but no 10, 10 is the fastest, like prime roy, floyd was a 9,5. look at the judah mayweather fight, even judah was faster than floyd and judah aint faster than prime roy

power, like an 8 and the rest is pretty acurate.

Floyd wasn't in his prime in the judah fight. Look back at his fights 130-135. Those were his best years. You sure like Roy eh? How was Roys athleticism , speed in the Tarver II fight since you like bringing up past prime examples of other fighters?

Chepppaaa wrote:okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

CrazyHorse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote:Ali

power 6.5
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10

ali was athletic, but compared to roy, who is a 10, ali was a 8,5-9. i mean 10 is the highest, muhammad ali aint as athletic as jones jr, so no 10

speed 10, hell no, maybe 9-9,5, but ali wasnt no prime medlrick taylor or prime jones in speed.

condition....hell no...look at foremon fight how exhausted he was...

Gotta remember Ali was a heavyweight. You can't expect a damn heavyweight to be as fast as a featherweight. Many fighters have stated ali moved and thew like a ww but in a hw body

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
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in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

Boxing Writer wrote:

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

Oh yeah, and Mallignaggi's power is 8 then, right?

CrazyHorse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

I agree though that 9 is too high. me personally I'd say 7.5 maybe 8 at the highest

KBB wrote:

CrazyHorse wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:okay, you make some valid points, floyd wasnt prime, but yet that does not change the fact that he never was a 10, maybe a 9,7 at best, even at lower weights i would say garry russel jr was faster than floyd and gary russel is like 9,8.

do i like roy, yeah, best boxer. he sure is an easy example for some 10, because in terms of speed, reflex and being athletic he is the absolut 10 in all those areas, everybody else is 9,9 and under. in other areas its by far not roy, like power, a 10 would be julian, in terms of ring iq and footwork its a tough one, maybe prime rigondeaux

I agree though that 9 is too high. me personally I'd say 7.5 maybe 8 at the highest

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Floyd stopped all of his best competition and totally took the bigger, taller and longer/stronger Corrales off his feet 5 times in a fight where Diego had never been knocked down. Manfredy had faced bigger punchers who were unable to stop him and Floyd took him out in 2 rounds, I believe Mayweather's KO rating at that time was upwards of 80% or so.

Like I said, I don't really have to justify myself to anyone on this, maybe your idea of him being prime is misplaced, at 130 Floyd was in his prime, once he moved up he got slower and was out of his prime.

brilo33 wrote:floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
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in total 70 out of 80.

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

brilo33 wrote:floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.

jezzamundo wrote:

brilo33 wrote:floyd mayweather
power 7
speed 8
ring IQ 10
reflexes 8
chin 7
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.

Giving Floyd a 8 for reflexes and especially a 7 for chin is extremely harsh!

jezzamundo wrote:

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

What other great fighters were at 10 when Floyd was there? If you are referring to Casamayor and Freitas, how great did either guy really become?? Floyd beat Corrales and Manfredy who were without a doubt arguably two of the top dogs and he stopped both of them.

I don't have to say how great Floyd is, his peers (other Great Boxers will tell you for themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIveHhykNC8

jezzamundo wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

KBB wrote:for me the best ever is Floyd jr, in his prime

power 9
speed 10
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 10
condition 10
footwork 10
athleticsm 10
_____________
in total 79 out of 80.
https://youtu.be/QGcwFgvGBrU

I assume we're talking about a 130lb Floyd? It's a pity we never got to see him tested against another great fighter around that weight. I think you're very generous to him, however, I would give him the following scores:

power 8 (if we're talking about his 130lb prime, factoring in his whole career, it would be more like a 6.5)
speed 9
ring IQ 10
reflexes 10
chin 9
condition 9.5
footwork 10
athleticsm 9.5

However much anyone may dislike his style, or criticize the strength of his resume, I have to admit that Floyd is a VERY complete boxer. While I don't think he quite cracks the all-time top 20 p4p, if we're talking pure boxing ability, I think he is probably top 10.

What other great fighters were at 10 when Floyd was there? If you are referring to Casamayor and Freitas, how great did either guy really become?? Floyd beat Corrales and Manfredy who were without a doubt arguably two of the top dogs and he stopped both of them.

I don't have to say how great Floyd is, his peers (other Great Boxers will tell you for themselves):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIveHhykNC8

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

I wasn't blaming you for anything, just asking a question. Honestly Corrales was an A+ level fighter at that time, he was undefeated had all KO's much in the same way Tommy Hearns was when he fought Leonard, and both he and Floyd had beaten nearly everyone with the exception of Casamayor and Freitas and most of both guys wins were by stoppage.

If that isn't A+ enough for you then I don't know what is. Ray Leonard wasn't considered great until he beat Hearns and Duran, Floyd had already beaten two of the best in his division but because namesake means something different in this era as opposed to past eras people tend to water down the accomplishments of fighters today.

I really hate comparing eras of fighters because all it does is discredits any fighters of today, the reason being is that back in the day those fighters had to fight more often because of the low wages they made so it was relatively easy to run a record up into the 100s of fights.

When we mention Duran, SRL, Ali and the likes we cannot even begin to try and mention anyone from the present eras because people give far too much credence to the names of the past, they make it sound as though every fighter from back then beat all A+ fighters and that just isn't true.

Why can't fighters just be measured by the eras they were in? With the exception of a few great names in each division in each era basically every era is loaded with more journeymen, contenders and B level fighters moreso than there were Elites/A+ fighters with only a few of them facing one another and even fewer winning vs they're greatest competition which is no different than today's era fighters.

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Floyd for the fact that there was no Roberto Duran is his era for him to fight. I wasn't referring to anyone at all, I don't think Casamayor or Freitas were great and am confident Floyd would have beaten them soundly. I'm not interested in discussing whose fault certain fights getting made or not made is, but it remains a shame that Floyd was never tested against a fellow ATG in their prime. For me, this lack of a A+ level win makes it impossible for me to consider him for the all-time top 10, or the welterweight top 10. It's not that Floyd isn't great, it's just boxing has a long history and others have superior wins and more proof of greatness.

I wasn't blaming you for anything, just asking a question. Honestly Corrales was an A+ level fighter at that time, he was undefeated had all KO's much in the same way Tommy Hearns was when he fought Leonard, and both he and Floyd had beaten nearly everyone with the exception of Casamayor and Freitas and most of both guys wins were by stoppage.

If that isn't A+ enough for you then I don't know what is. Ray Leonard wasn't considered great until he beat Hearns and Duran, Floyd had already beaten two of the best in his division but because namesake means something different in this era as opposed to past eras people tend to water down the accomplishments of fighters today.

I really hate comparing eras of fighters because all it does is discredits any fighters of today, the reason being is that back in the day those fighters had to fight more often because of the low wages they made so it was relatively easy to run a record up into the 100s of fights.

When we mention Duran, SRL, Ali and the likes we cannot even begin to try and mention anyone from the present eras because people give far too much credence to the names of the past, they make it sound as though every fighter from back then beat all A+ fighters and that just isn't true.

Why can't fighters just be measured by the eras they were in? With the exception of a few great names in each division in each era basically every era is loaded with more journeymen, contenders and B level fighters moreso than there were Elites/A+ fighters with only a few of them facing one another and even fewer winning vs they're greatest competition which is no different than today's era fighters.