Trinidad/DLH

[elmersalsa]

Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

oscar delahoya is definitely p4p 1oo. no
doubt in my mind he belongs there. his
career record looks different from floyd's
because he went for the best at any point
in time. tremendous, fun-to-watch boxer.

A very overrated boxer. None of the two belong with the true all time greats. They were just superstars boxers of their era. That's it.

[elmersalsa]

It's a damn shame we don't talk of true all time greats like Eder Jofre, Wilfredo Gomez, Fighting Harada, Panama Al Brown, Miguel Canto, Freddie Miller, Jake LaMotta, Mike McCallum or Benny Lynch for crying out loud. Or talk of greats like Marco Antonio Barrera, Luis Manuel Rodriguez and Eusebio Pedroza. True all time greats.

We are going to argue about a fight that at first, was not a great fight for the billing. Second, NONE OF THE TWO WERE GREAT FIGHTERS. And third, we got the nerve to compared them with the truest of the truest? Give me a break

[Bobbyptsd]

Did, Oscar sleep with your wife or something?

To not include DLH in a class with guys like Jofre, Barrera, Gomez, etc....that's mystifying to me.

I mean, when you're holding up Mike McCallum as an example of greatness as opposed to DLH, I......I just don't get it, I will admit.

[Bobbyptsd]

None of the two were great fighters. I don't know why some people wasted their time rewatching that junk.

For all the hoopla and anticipation, this fight for me, is the second biggest junk ever behind Mayweather vs Pacman

You got to close the show with satisfaction. None of the two were what their supporters believed. Two waste of time boxers. Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

DLH is definitely in most top 100s

Not on Bert Randolph Sugar's book

Who gives a shiit? Do we need Bert Sugar to tell us who is good? He's a fecking writer, his opinion is as valid as yours or mine, no more.

[elmersalsa]

DLH is definitely in most top 100s

Not on Bert Randolph Sugar's book

Who gives a shiit? Do we need Bert Sugar to tell us who is good? He's a fecking writer, his opinion is as valid as yours or mine, no more.

He is/was a boxing expert. We aren't.

[Bobbyptsd]

Sugar had opinions, like anyone else.

If you wanted to point out something a great trainer or fighter said, fine. But Bert Shugar was no more a "boxing expert" than anyone else sharing their view.

[elmersalsa]

Did, Oscar sleep with your wife or something?

To not include DLH in a class with guys like Jofre, Barrera, Gomez, etc....that's mystifying to me.

I mean, when you're holding up Mike McCallum as an example of greatness as opposed to DLH, I......I just don't get it, I will admit.

Oscar didn't do nothing special. Anybody that thinks that Tito or Oscar were great fighters, gotta be delusional, American biased or Puerto Rican.

Mike McCallum was a true all time great. Watch him fight. You learn something

[elmersalsa]

Sugar had opinions, like anyone else.

If you wanted to point out something a great trainer or fighter said, fine. But Bert Shugar was no more a "boxing expert" than anyone else sharing their view.

He knew more about boxing than the average Joe. That means, you and I.

[Bobbyptsd]

Sugar had opinions, like anyone else.

If you wanted to point out something a great trainer or fighter said, fine. But Bert Shugar was no more a "boxing expert" than anyone else sharing their view.

He knew more about boxing than the average Joe. That means, you and I.

Well, what a convincing counter point

[Bobbyptsd]

Did, Oscar sleep with your wife or something?

To not include DLH in a class with guys like Jofre, Barrera, Gomez, etc....that's mystifying to me.

I mean, when you're holding up Mike McCallum as an example of greatness as opposed to DLH, I......I just don't get it, I will admit.

Oscar didn't do nothing special.

[IKSRTFO]

If Oscar De la Hoya wasn't that great then you just negated one of Floyd's best wins over a faded "not so great" fighter.

[elmersalsa]

The other day, I put a post about the great career of the great Zurdo de Oro, Vicente Saldivar. A very dissatisfied and disappointing thread that should have went long. A guy, that was a true all time great. Very truly. I was very amazed that we didn't know much about this legend, FCOL. Now, that's a top 100 fighter!

Oscar, Tito nor Lennox Lewis are not in the same class of these guys:
Joe Brown
Carlos Ortiz
Manuel Ortiz
Eusebio Pedroza
Azumah Nelson
Jersey Joe Walcott
Packey McFarland
Jimmy Barry
Mike McCallum
Georges Carpentier
Jack "Kid" Berg

Guys that made a mark in boxing history. Oscar, Tito nor Lennox made a mark about nothing. There were just great business men, that capitalized in today's boxing economics. They were nothing to be awed about. I am more awed about Ken Buchanan or Harold Johnson or Nicolino Locche than those guys.

[palooka]

Oscar, Tito and Lennox were the best of their time's and got some fantastic scalps and gave us some great fights, their is no doubt they were great fighters.

[elmersalsa]

Oscar, Tito and Lennox were the best of their time's and got some fantastic scalps and gave us some great fights, their is no doubt they were great fighters.

No, they were not great p4p 100 fighters, palooka...That's a fallacy.
There are plenty of fighters that were so good ahead of them, and they neither made the top 100 list in my view or Bert Randolph Sugar's view

They were just superstars in their right time.

Of Oscar DeLaHoya era, only these I consider them great:
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones, Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Ricardo "Finito" Lopez....They, in my view, make the top 100 p4p greats list.

[IKSRTFO]

Oscar, Tito and Lennox were the best of their time's and got some fantastic scalps and gave us some great fights, their is no doubt they were great fighters.

No, they were not great p4p 100 fighters, palooka...That's a fallacy.
There are plenty of fighters that were so good ahead of them, and they neither made the top 100 list in my view or Bert Randolph Sugar's view

They were just superstars in their right time.

Of Oscar DeLaHoya era, only these I consider them great:
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones, Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Ricardo "Finito" Lopez....They, in my view, make the top 100 p4p greats list.

Both beat Whitaker. A faded Whitaker, yes but if you take those wins away from them, then you also have to be fair and take Floyd and Manny's wins over past their best scalps. Actually, Oscar beat a lot of the same guys Floyd did.

Beating Whitaker at any stage is impressive.

[elmersalsa]

Oscar didn't beat the great Pernell Whitaker.
Tito beat AN OVER THE HILL great.

Both wins, not impressive enough to call them great.

[IKSRTFO]

Oscar didn't beat the great Pernell Whitaker.
Tito beat AN OVER THE HILL great.

Both wins, not impressive enough to call them great.

Then neither Floyd nor Manny beat DLH or Mosley because both were over the hill.

[man]

Oscar didn't do nothing special.

i think you are plain and simple wrong.

[elmersalsa]

Oscar didn't do nothing special.

i think you are plain and simple wrong.

Neither Felix "Tito" Trinidad nor Lenmox Lewis...Let's not be American biased, please!

I cannot see them better than these guys, either:
Michael Spinks
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Mike Tyson
Holman Williams
Marcel Cerdan
Carlos Zarate
Barbados Joe Walcott
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Jack Britton
Maxie Rosenbloom

[SenorPipino]

Any guy that made as much money as ODLH, must be great.
For awhile, he was THE main event for boxing.

There were plenty of fighters who surpassed DLH in ring skills, but Oscar hasd a blend of talent and charisma that few in history could match.

It's really not a matter of whether or not he belongs with the absolute elites of all times. DLH was special and an undisputed HOFer.

[elmersalsa]

Oscar DeLaHoya was a great businessman in boxing. A hall of fame boxer? yes

A top 100 great p4p? He came short in my view

[man]

But Bert Shugar was no more a "boxing expert" than anyone else sharing their view.

i do not think this is a reasonable
statement.

[Ambling Alp II]

Sugar did not have Michael Spinks or Harold Johnson in his Top 100.
Yet he made room for Willie Ritchie, Rocky Graziano and Lew Jenkins in his top 100. Seriously.

However he was on TV and wore a cool hat. So was he a boxing expert? Tough call.

[elmersalsa]

Sugar did not have Michael Spinks or Harold Johnson in his Top 100.
Yet he made room for Willie Ritchie, Rocky Graziano and Lew Jenkins in his top 100. Seriously.

However he was on TV and wore a cool hat. So was he a boxing expert? Tough call.

He knew more than you and I, Alp

[elmersalsa]

Oscar didn't do nothing special.

i think you are plain and simple wrong.

There are plenty of great fighters that didn't make the top 100 cut. And they in my view were better than Oscar, Tito and The Lion:

Nicolino Locche
Gene Fullmer
Jack Delaney
Duilio Loi
James Toney
Shane Mosley
Floyd Patterson
Tony Zale
Fidel La Barba
Lou Ambers
Baby Ariznendi
Erik Morales

Was they better than these guys? I doubt it.