Trinidad/DLH

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How did you score it

[palooka]

I wanted Trinidad to win and afterwards argued that he had won. When I calmed down a bit (years later) I watched it again and Oscar won the bout by around 3 rounds though he gave the last couple away by running. De
La Hoya outlanded and outsped Felix, I'd say Oscar 114-111.

[Seamus]

Watched it live and had Trinidad winning 115-114. Watched it again a year or so ago and had it 114-114. Glad Tito got the win, he sure looked like he wanted it more.

[elmersalsa]

For all the cry and hoopla, that fight was a piece of garbage to me

[Woller]

How the judges scored it for Trinidad is beyond me.

[Ambling Alp II]

I had DLH winning 115-113. (7-5)
He won 7 of the first 9, but gave away the last three. His trainer (Gil Clancy) told him to run away. Horrible advice.

Having said that, I can't find 7 rounds that you could give Trinidad even if you give him all the close ones. Trinidad looked terrible and was very lucky.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I watched it live... but i'v never watched it again at the time I thought it could have gone either way even with Oscar running the last two round's
i'll have to watch it again I still think it was a toss up who won... same as Oscar v Mayweather

[Idisagree]

Tito vs DLH
First two rounds were very tactical and none of them did enough to actually place a claim on those rounds. You could easily score those rounds one a piece. But, DLH supporters argue DLH absolutely won those rounds. Not sure why?
Round 3 it was a clear DLH round
Round 4 it was a clear Tito round (Not sure how can anyone give that round to DLH)
Round 5 it was close and could have gone either way
Round 6 it was clear DLH round
Round 7 it was clear DLH round
Round 8 it was clear DLH round
Round 9 it was clear Tito round
Rounds 10-12 DLH ran like in a marathon and put a shame on unification fights.

If you split the first two rounds one a piece as it was close then you have a draw (rounds 1 or 2, 4, 9, 10, 11, and 12).
DLH would have (1 or 2, 3,5,6,7, and 8.) a draw.

If you give Tito rounds 4,5,9,10,11, and 12. Again a draw
If you give Tito rounds (1 or 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12) then you have Tito winning 7-5.

Depending on the eye of the beholder you can score the fight 7-5 either way or a draw. Any other score and you truly are showing some bias. There is no way DLH won rounds 4, 9, 10, 11, or 12. So the best case scenario is a 7-5 DLH. But again rounds 1, 2, and 5 are close rounds that could have gone either way. If you score 2 of those close rounds in Tito’s favor he wins 7-5.

No matter how you want to see it the fight was not a robbery like some people want to claim.

If DLH keep fighting like he did in rounds 6, 7, and 8 he could have won the fight easy. However, that would have open the door for a Tito counter that could have been a game changer. We will never know because DLH ran shamelessly and put a black eye on that fight. Let’s not forget that DLH was notorious for running out of gas in the championship rounds.

In the end, in glad Tito got the decision because it seems like he was the one who really wanted to win the fight.

[man]

clearly among the weirdest fights in boxing history. it
is definitely not the robbery DLH supporters try to make
everyone believe. of course the last three rounds were
stupid, but crucial to the scoring is in my view the first.
dancing out of distance is not necessarily winning a round.

[man]

clearly among the weirdest fights in boxing history. it
is definitely not the robbery DLH supporters try to make
everyone believe. of course the last three rounds were
stupid, but crucial to the scoring is in my view the first.
dancing out of distance is not necessarily winning a round.

[Ambling Alp II]

Tito vs DLH
First two rounds were very tactical and none of them did enough to actually place a claim on those rounds. You could easily score those rounds one a piece. But, DLH supporters argue DLH absolutely won those rounds. Not sure why?
Round 3 it was a clear DLH round
Round 4 it was a clear Tito round (Not sure how can anyone give that round to DLH)
Round 5 it was close and could have gone either way
Round 6 it was clear DLH round
Round 7 it was clear DLH round
Round 8 it was clear DLH round
Round 9 it was clear Tito round
Rounds 10-12 DLH ran like in a marathon and put a shame on unification fights.

If you split the first two rounds one a piece as it was close then you have a draw (rounds 1 or 2, 4, 9, 10, 11, and 12).
DLH would have (1 or 2, 3,5,6,7, and 8.) a draw.

If you give Tito rounds 4,5,9,10,11, and 12. Again a draw
If you give Tito rounds (1 or 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, and 12) then you have Tito winning 7-5.

Depending on the eye of the beholder you can score the fight 7-5 either way or a draw. Any other score and you truly are showing some bias. There is no way DLH won rounds 4, 9, 10, 11, or 12. So the best case scenario is a 7-5 DLH. But again rounds 1, 2, and 5 are close rounds that could have gone either way. If you score 2 of those close rounds in Tito’s favor he wins 7-5.

No matter how you want to see it the fight was not a robbery like some people want to claim.

If DLH keep fighting like he did in rounds 6, 7, and 8 he could have won the fight easy. However, that would have open the door for a Tito counter that could have been a game changer. We will never know because DLH ran shamelessly and put a black eye on that fight. Let’s not forget that DLH was notorious for running out of gas in the championship rounds.

In the end, in glad Tito got the decision because it seems like he was the one who really wanted to win the fight.

I am going to have to watch this again. I had DLH clearly winning 7 rounds; not just 5. Saw it a week or two after the fight. I am going to have watch this again; which I don't really want to do since it was such a crappy fight.

I was not happy for Trinidad because he fought an awful fight.

[BoxBuzz]

regardless of how that fight was ultimately judged. DLH was the superior fighter. When he chose to fight.

And outside of their one fight in common, I think DLH's overall performance trumps Tito's as well.

[gregor]

regardless of how that fight was ultimately judged. DLH was the superior fighter. When he chose to fight.

x2.

I was really dissapointed with his tactic at the end - he was controlling the fight (even punchstats show it), and yet decided to run away without any reason. One of the few robberies I did not mind.

[palooka]

When he was caught late on, DLH turned his head away from the shot and left it there, exaggerated - it was the wrong thing to do, it emphasised how he was getting clipped.

[Ambling Alp II]

Did you score a couple of rounds 10-8?

[nickcat0]

Can I suggest that anyone who watches the fight again, does so with the sound on mute ................. This way, you score the fight as you see it, without the commentator's bias clouding your judgement

[SenorPipino]

On fight night, I scored it 114-114, a draw.

It felt like a funny score because it seemed like DLH won, or maybe more accurately, Trinidad lost.

For most of the first 8 1/2 rounds, Oscar put on a boxing clinic, befuddling the Puerto Rican constantly.

Can any of you who thought Trinidad won, recall a single meaningful punch that he landed? DLH was unhittable that night.

Of course Oscar danced away the final 3 1/2 rounds of the bout and made a runaway suddenly turn into a close contest.

During the first eight rounds, I gave Trinidad two of them for simply being the aggressor when DLH chose not to engage at all.

Watching the bout the next day, I ended up scoring the 9th round (when Oscar began running) for DLH instead of for Trinidad, which I did originally.
DLH clearly outboxed Tito for the first 2 minutes of the round, scoring repeatedly. He did start to run during the final minute, which influenced me the night before. Watching the replay, I decided that Oscar's excellent boxing for the first 120 seconds negated his running during the final minute.

So on a second look, I ended up with DLH winning, 115-113.

For those of you who somehow had Tito winning the fight (and probably an unfathomable 7 rounds) I can only figure that you love guys that come forward, whether or not they're effective. Trinidad was never effective that night.

But I imagine that those of you who had the Puerto Rican winning, probably also had Pacquiao over Mayweather.

[man]

For those of you who somehow had Tito winning the fight (and probably an unfathomable 7 rounds) I can only figure that you love guys that come forward, whether or not they're effective. Trinidad was never effective that night.

oscar's corner cost him the fight. it is that
simple. their decision to stay out of distance
for three rounds against an opponent who
was no danger whatsoever turned a clear
win into a close decision. and close can
get either way.

crucial to the verdict is the first round i think.
yes, oscar danced, but he did so out of distance
and that doesn't necessarily mean you win the
round.

[SenorPipino]

For those of you who somehow had Tito winning the fight (and probably an unfathomable 7 rounds) I can only figure that you love guys that come forward, whether or not they're effective. Trinidad was never effective that night.

oscar's corner cost him the fight. it is that
simple. their decision to stay out of distance
for three rounds against an opponent who
was no danger whatsoever turned a clear
win into a close decision. and close can
get either way.

crucial to the verdict is the first round i think.
yes, oscar danced, but he did so out of distance
and that doesn't necessarily mean you win the
round.

A week after the bout, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, DLH dismissed the notion that it was his corner that urged him to move, move move during the final quarter of the bout.

DLH said that all the moving he had done going into the 9th round, suddenly left him extremely fatigued, and he (not his corner) decided to begin the ill-fated trot around the ring, simply because he didn't want to stand still and get hit with a big shot.

I guess Oscar figured that steady movement for the remainder of the fight was less taxing than standing still and possibly getting hit with a Trinidad bomb.

[Ambling Alp II]

His trainer (Gil Clancy) was heard on the broadcast mic telling him to stay away. Horrible advice.

[SenorPipino]

His trainer (Gil Clancy) was heard on the broadcast mic telling him to stay away. Horrible advice.

Oscar stayed away the entire night.

The difference was that he stayed away but threw punches for the first 9 1/2 rounds. After that, he just stayed away and never let his hands go.

Anyone know what the punchstat numbers were for the bout?

I suspect that the 2 fighters threw about the same number of punches, but I'm sure DLH landed quite a few more.

[elmersalsa]

None of the two were great fighters. I don't know why some people wasted their time rewatching that junk.

For all the hoopla and anticipation, this fight for me, is the second biggest junk ever behind Mayweather vs Pacman

You got to close the show with satisfaction. None of the two were what their supporters believed. Two waste of time boxers. Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

[IKSRTFO]

None of the two were great fighters. I don't know why some people wasted their time rewatching that junk.

For all the hoopla and anticipation, this fight for me, is the second biggest junk ever behind Mayweather vs Pacman

You got to close the show with satisfaction. None of the two were what their supporters believed. Two waste of time boxers. Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

DLH is definitely in most top 100s

[man]

Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

oscar delahoya is definitely p4p 1oo. no
doubt in my mind he belongs there. his
career record looks different from floyd's
because he went for the best at any point
in time. tremendous, fun-to-watch boxer.

[elmersalsa]

None of the two were great fighters. I don't know why some people wasted their time rewatching that junk.

For all the hoopla and anticipation, this fight for me, is the second biggest junk ever behind Mayweather vs Pacman

You got to close the show with satisfaction. None of the two were what their supporters believed. Two waste of time boxers. Not top 100 p4p material. Strictly garbage!

DLH is definitely in most top 100s

Not on Bert Randolph Sugar's book