British Top 30 P4P January 2016

[Horse]

Not in a million years is mcdonell higher than Selby. Selby should be top 5.

I don't see what many others see in Selby.

Hopefully he has a unification fight next year and we can all see just how good he is.

[Horse]

Good list as always Horse. Khan is far too high for me. He's stagnated a bit waiting about IMO. BJS should be a bit higher up.

Khan only has one win in the last 12 months and that was only against Algieri with a fairly disappointing performance.

This list is very competitive and Khan is mostly highly ranked based on his past glories rather than recent achievements. If he has another bad year then he may well fall out of the top 10.

I didn't rate Lee as highly as most seemed to, so I also didn't consider Saunders beating him to be a huge win. Those above him are more proven at the moment and Saunders' stamina problems make me worry about how long he'll be able to hang onto his title.

[ThereByTheGrace]

Not in a million years is mcdonell higher than Selby. Selby should be top 5.

I don't see what many others see in Selby.

Hopefully he has a unification fight next year and we can all see just how good he is.

Hope so too. He controls fights and the tempo the opponent fights at. He's very underrated he doesn't lose many rounds

[Horse]

Let's just say, if Hall read everything I'd said about his boxing career, he'd likely smack me in the mouth.

Reckon I'd win UD12 though

[Horse]

McDonnell should be above Khan and Frampton imo.

The two wins against Kameda are good, but they were very close fights and I think Khan and Frampton are a more proven at this point.

Murray and Afolabi also too high up.

I scored both of their recent losses in their favour, so for me they are both still world class fighters with solid records.

[Horse]

yep , BJS should be above Murray .

Saunders' stamina problems make me doubt how long he can hang at world level.

Murray has proven many times that he can compete at world level. Murray deserves the benefit of the doubt for me.

[Horse]

Flanagan ahead of Haskins, Groves, Bellew and Afolabi for me at least, I would have him in the top 10 too but I admit i'm a bit biased as I am a big fan.

Flanagan is just too unproven for me. He will move up a few places if he beats Mathews though.

[balham red]

yep , BJS should be above Murray .

Definitely.

[keithmoonhangover]

Bellew seems too high to me.

Bellew always seems too high for me.

You're arguing again already.

[jaymitch81]

McDonnell should be above Khan and Frampton imo.

The two wins against Kameda are good, but they were very close fights and I think Khan and Frampton are a more proven at this point.

Murray and Afolabi also too high up.

I scored both of their recent losses in their favour, so for me they are both still world class fighters with solid records.

Why is Frampton more proven than Jamie? He beat Kiko twice in Britain where Jamie went to America twice and beat Kameda who many were convinced would beat Jamie with ease.

[keithmoonhangover]

1. (1.) Tyson Fury
2. (2.) James DeGale
3. (3.) Kell Brook
4. (4.) Carl Frampton
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Jamie McDonnell
7. (7.) Scott Quigg
8. (8.) Lee Selby
9. (9.) Martin Murray
10. (17.) Billy Joe Saunders

11. (11.) Ola Afolabi
12. (16.) Tony Bellew
13. (12.) George Groves
14. (13.) Lee Haskins
15. (14.) Terry Flanagan
16. (10.) Andy Lee (Irish)
17. (15.) Ricky Burns
18. (18.) Anthony Crolla
19. (19.) Ovill McKenzie
20. (20.) Callum Smith

21. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
22. (30.) Chris Eubank Jr.
23. (RE.) Anthony Joshua
24. (22.) Liam Smith
25. (29.) Paul Butler
26. (RE.) Enzo Maccarinelli
27. (23.) Gavin McDonnell
28. (24.) Ryan Farrag
29. (25.) Sam Eggington
30. (26.) Liam Walsh

Out - (27.) Dereck Chisora
Out - (28.) Stuart Hall

If comments are indeed welcome, then....

Degale is far too high, so is Martin Murray and Maccarinelli shouldn't be anywhere near the top 30. Why is Groves so high also - what's he done to deserve that rating? You do know he's lost three fights in the recent past.

[Horse]

I know you've just said you largely igone the titles. But many people here and abroad think Flannigan is the best lightweight on the planet.
As for Crolla, I had him outside of world class.
But I put that down to me not knowing what I was talking about.
The 2 performances against Perez and the eventual stoppage win surely count for something at world level. Even though I didn't rate him he has to get more credit than 18th place for those results

Flanagan might be the best lightweight in the world, but lightweight is a weak division with hardly any proven world level fighters.

Perez was a good win for Crolla, but it's not really anything special. I don't think Crolla deserves to be any higher at this point.

They've both got to do more. Simply having a world title isn't enough for a high ranking at the moment.

[Horse]

Why is Frampton more proven than Jamie? He beat Kiko twice in Britain where Jamie went to America twice and beat Kameda who many were convinced would beat Jamie with ease.

Doing it abroad instead of at home doesn't add much for me. There's not a great deal in it, but I think the two Martinez wins are better than the two Kameda wins.

If Frampton loses to Quigg next month then McDonnell will probably overtake him. Although Quigg will overtake McDonnell, so he won't have moved anywhere.

[Horse]

If comments are indeed welcome, then....

Degale is far too high, so is Martin Murray

Neither are far too high in any way.

and Maccarinelli shouldn't be anywhere near the top 30.

Why not?

Why is Groves so high also - what's he done to deserve that rating? You do know he's lost three fights in the recent past.

Because Groves is a good fighter.

[davie]

McDonnell should be above Khan and Frampton imo.

The two wins against Kameda are good, but they were very close fights and I think Khan and Frampton are a more proven at this point.

Murray and Afolabi also too high up.

I scored both of their recent losses in their favour, so for me they are both still world class fighters with solid records.

Why is Frampton more proven than Jamie? He beat Kiko twice in Britain where Jamie went to America twice and beat Kameda who many were convinced would beat Jamie with ease.

For me, this is a prime case of ability vs resume.
I agree that the 2 Kameda wins are better than beating Kiko. But I'd go with Frampton higher in the list because IMHO, he is a better fighter.
I can't give examples or evidence for this based on acheivements other than the evidence of my own judgement and that I think he looks the more talented and complete fighter
Put it this way. Jamie is 5'10" and Carl is 5'5". Jamie could comfotably step up to Super bantam and fight Carl. And I'd bet my house of a Frampton win.

[Horse]

For me, this is a prime case of ability vs resume.
I agree that the 2 Kameda wins are better than beating Kiko. But I'd go with Frampton higher in the list because IMHO, he is a better fighter.
I can't give examples or evidence for this based on acheivements other than the evidence of my own judgement and that I think he looks the more talented and complete fighter
Put it this way. Jamie is 5'10" and Carl is 5'5". Jamie could comfotably step up to Super bantam and fight Carl. And I'd bet my house of a Frampton win.

Is Kameda any better than Martinez? Martinez has a better record for me.

Frampton also beat Martinez a lot more clearly than McDonnell beat Kameda.

[davie]

For me, this is a prime case of ability vs resume.
I agree that the 2 Kameda wins are better than beating Kiko. But I'd go with Frampton higher in the list because IMHO, he is a better fighter.
I can't give examples or evidence for this based on acheivements other than the evidence of my own judgement and that I think he looks the more talented and complete fighter
Put it this way. Jamie is 5'10" and Carl is 5'5". Jamie could comfotably step up to Super bantam and fight Carl. And I'd bet my house of a Frampton win.

Is Kameda any better than Martinez? Martinez has a better record for me.

Frampton also beat Martinez a lot more clearly than McDonnell beat Kameda.

Without claiming to be an expert on either mans career, I ranked Kameda more highly beforehand.
I do accept, the nature of the win should have a bearing on any judgement and I put that largely down to what we're talking about, Frampton is the better fighter

[keithmoonhangover]

If comments are indeed welcome, then....

Degale is far too high, so is Martin Murray

Neither are far too high in any way.

and Maccarinelli shouldn't be anywhere near the top 30.

Why not?

Why is Groves so high also - what's he done to deserve that rating? You do know he's lost three fights in the recent past.

Because Groves is a good fighter.

Because he is a good fighter? and Why not? Not exactly comprehensive answers.

Can I ask.... have you ever changed your top 30 in light of other's comments?