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Not even adressing the MW issue.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No for Chavez, Pryor, Tito, Morales, McGirt and I assume Chris John and all the Middleweights are jokes. If we're talking hagler, Jones and Hopkins I'd add Joe louis, Holyfield, Dwight Qawi and Valuev.

Mayweather is 49-0 over a 20 year career where he's pretty much beaten everyone and only a couple of close fights. The four middleweights in this list are near enough certs - the rest who knows but defo not dead certs. In particular pryor and benitez who would defo be underdogs. I can see Chavez not getting near floyd and how on earth curry can be a cert - he beat colin jones, mccory and a few others - hes in no way got a resume in floyd's league. Everyone here knows i cannot stand floyd but recognise his greatness.

Judah Ben Fur wrote:1.Sugar Ray leonard
2.Marvin Hagler
3.Sugar Ray Robinson
4.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
5.Thomas Hearns
6.Roy Jones
7.Roberto Duran
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Wilfred Benitez
11.Aaron Pryor
12.Pernell Witaker.
12.Donald Curry

Id narrow it down to those 12 who are dead certain to beat him imo.and id add a peak shane mosley circa 1999 , napoles and ortiz probably could too.a prime 1997 oscar definetly does if a shot 2007 one took it to the wire

Floyd would clown Chavez.

Cfang perhaps you ought to recognise that floyd got hurt badly by a ancient and inactive mosley and an old odlh lost controversially.

I fully recognise floyds greatness, but i also recognise the greatness of the other fighters.....that's perhaps something you are unwilling to do.

Donald Curry was a master boxer.have u heard of him or seen him fight? Jones and mcrory are not his two best wins.....marlon starling was....and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

These guys were great boxers in a tough era.hell an old ,shot,drug damaged curry outboxed norris and nunn in spots.....thats how good he was.

Likewise benitez and pryor were exceptional. If benitez could hang tough with hearns and srl he definetly gives the inferior floyd a v hard fight

Lets please not be blatant fanboys for the flavour of month and recognise yes floyd is very very good....great....but his competition has been fortunate.

He fought overhyped contenders like guerrero,ortiz,berto....and past their prime odlh,mosley,judah ,pac in recent years.

He is a,masterpiece,the canelo win reinforced that, but unless he comes back and beats ggg i think he doesnt do so well against curry

Judah Ben Fur wrote:and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....






every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

Up until a few weeks ago there was a growing constituency of folks who said that Rhonda Rousey was too much for Floyd.

I railed against the insanity...but was marginalized by the crowd.

Then of course Holly pulled out a can of whup ass, and now I suppose Floyd can't beat her either.



On the saner side, I honestly believe Whitaker would beat Floyd.

Floyd toyed with Oscar. Its funny

Kalule MD12 Mayweather at 154. That is all.

banjo wrote:1.Sugar Ray leonard - Yes
2.Marvin Hagler - Yes
3.Sugar Ray Robinson - Yes
4.Julio Cesar Chavez sr - No
5.Thomas Hearns - Yes
6.Roy Jones in his prime - Yes
7.Felix Trinidad - Yes
8.Roberto Duran - No
9.Erik Morales in his prime - No
10.Bernard Hopkins in his prime - Yes
11.Terry Norris - No
12.Wilfred Benitez - No

Fancy someone saying No about Duran beating Mayweather.................I think your being a bit unfair on Mayweather you picked 7 out of 12
to defeat Mayweather and 7 were Middleweight Champion's and some won Title's even above Middleweight the other was Trinidad who Challenged B-Hop for the Middleweight title Mayweather as never fought at Middleweight.

I find it odd that somebody would pick Felix Trinidad to beat Floyd, but not Terry Norris. Norris would pose a much more difficult style match for Floyd than Tito would.

gilgamesh wrote:I find it odd that somebody would pick Felix Trinidad to beat Floyd, but not Terry Norris. Norris would pose a much more difficult style match for Floyd than Tito would.

No question, Tito could barely hit floyd.

McGoorty wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:1.Sugar Ray leonard
2.Marvin Hagler
3.Sugar Ray Robinson
4.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
5.Thomas Hearns
6.Roy Jones in his prime
7.Felix Trinidad
8.Roberto Duran
9.Erik Morales in his prime
10.Bernard Hopkins in his prime
11.Terry Norris
12.Wilfred Benitez
13.Aaron Pryor
14.Jose Napoles
15.Buddy James Mcgirt
16.Sergio Martinez in his prime
17.Marco Antonio Barrera
18.Hector Camacho
19.Carlos Ortiz
20.Paul Williams
21.Pernell Witaker
22.Meldrick Taylor
23.Donald Curry

AND Tommy Ryan, Packey McFarland, Henry Armstrong, ray leonard, BENNY LEONARD, <<<<<< all these guys would beat Floyd easy.... Kostya Tszyu, Mickey Walker, Carmen Basilio, Kid gavilan, Fritzie Zivic, Mysterious Billy Smith, Young Griffo, Les Darcy, Joe Gans <<<< once again only Kostya may find Floyd tough to beat, Darcy actually puts Floyd in a coffin...... Lets see, battling nelson, owen Moran, barney ross, jimmy McLarnin, jack britton, Tony deMarco... on and on i go..... there are others for sure too.

Les Darcy puts Floyd in a coffin? What slick world class boxer did Darcy ever KO much less put in a coffin. He went 20 rounds twice with Clabby, was stopped once by Jeff Smith and won a DQ in their rematch, was beaten twice by Fritz Holland (who wasn't world class) and went the distance again before finally stopping him. Darcy never saw the day he would stop Mayweather.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....






every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

Its a fact do a quick search on here or the other forums and take a look at the threads on this subject. Starling beat breland,brown,honeyghan who are a level of competition at 147 above the blown up shot flyweight at age 37 or the overrated guerreros and shot mosley,berto and judah

No-one mentioning Alexis Arguello? I would have given him a good chance st beating Floyd.

Crease wrote:No-one mentioning Alexis Arguello? I would have given him a good chance st beating Floyd.

I don't see Arguello getting the job done against Floyd. He could be troubled by fast fighters, and Floyd is about as fast as they come. Not to mention a Defensive wizard. Arguello always would have a chance at getting in the right hand, and turning things around, but I wouldn't count on it.

Arguello has little chance.too slow on feet

Wheras marlon could box brilliantly on the front foot or counterpunch when he had eddie futch plotting for him.

Floyd is an exceptional ATG .fools who said he would be bothered by Khans,workrate and speed are ridiculous. Berto was the fastest guy after floyd and his,workrate was amazing during their fight.floyds,manner of win proved he went out at 49-0 still at his absolute peak.it was a breathtaking display of speed from both fighters

No hate Floyd is all time great. I don't think he could beat Robinson, Leonard or Hearns. Also he was bothered by real pressure fighters ala Castillo and Maidana. Armstrong and Mickey Walker come to mind as bad match ups for him. Duran and Chavez too.

Walker wasn't near his best at welter.

My question is that how many of them have tried to beat Mayweather?

Everyone who have fought him have failed 49-0 TBE!

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Cfang perhaps you ought to recognise that floyd got hurt badly by a ancient and inactive mosley and an old odlh lost controversially.

I fully recognise floyds greatness, but i also recognise the greatness of the other fighters.....that's perhaps something you are unwilling to do.

Donald Curry was a master boxer.have u heard of him or seen him fight? Jones and mcrory are not his two best wins.....marlon starling was....and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

These guys were great boxers in a tough era.hell an old ,shot,drug damaged curry outboxed norris and nunn in spots.....thats how good he was.

Likewise benitez and pryor were exceptional. If benitez could hang tough with hearns and srl he definetly gives the inferior floyd a v hard fight

Lets please not be blatant fanboys for the flavour of month and recognise yes floyd is very very good....great....but his competition has been fortunate.

He fought overhyped contenders like guerrero,ortiz,berto....and past their prime odlh,mosley,judah ,pac in recent years.

He is a,masterpiece,the canelo win reinforced that, but unless he comes back and beats ggg i think he doesnt do so well against curry

So much predjudice on this board. All you have to do is rate maywather and all of a sudden you are a fanboy who has never seen footage of don curry. I spend hours debating the merits of pretty much every major boxer from 1880 onwards read 100s of books watch 100s of fights but say Floyd was better than starling, curry et all and I'm a fanboy lol. Ahh the internet

klompton wrote:

McGoorty wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:1.Sugar Ray leonard
2.Marvin Hagler
3.Sugar Ray Robinson
4.Julio Cesar Chavez sr
5.Thomas Hearns
6.Roy Jones in his prime
7.Felix Trinidad
8.Roberto Duran
9.Erik Morales in his prime
10.Bernard Hopkins in his prime
11.Terry Norris
12.Wilfred Benitez
13.Aaron Pryor
14.Jose Napoles
15.Buddy James Mcgirt
16.Sergio Martinez in his prime
17.Marco Antonio Barrera
18.Hector Camacho
19.Carlos Ortiz
20.Paul Williams
21.Pernell Witaker
22.Meldrick Taylor
23.Donald Curry

AND Tommy Ryan, Packey McFarland, Henry Armstrong, ray leonard, BENNY LEONARD, <<<<<< all these guys would beat Floyd easy.... Kostya Tszyu, Mickey Walker, Carmen Basilio, Kid gavilan, Fritzie Zivic, Mysterious Billy Smith, Young Griffo, Les Darcy, Joe Gans <<<< once again only Kostya may find Floyd tough to beat, Darcy actually puts Floyd in a coffin...... Lets see, battling nelson, owen Moran, barney ross, jimmy McLarnin, jack britton, Tony deMarco... on and on i go..... there are others for sure too.

Les Darcy puts Floyd in a coffin? What slick world class boxer did Darcy ever KO much less put in a coffin. He went 20 rounds twice with Clabby, was stopped once by Jeff Smith and won a DQ in their rematch, was beaten twice by Fritz Holland (who wasn't world class) and went the distance again before finally stopping him. Darcy never saw the day he would stop Mayweather.

cfang wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Cfang perhaps you ought to recognise that floyd got hurt badly by a ancient and inactive mosley and an old odlh lost controversially.

I fully recognise floyds greatness, but i also recognise the greatness of the other fighters.....that's perhaps something you are unwilling to do.

Donald Curry was a master boxer.have u heard of him or seen him fight? Jones and mcrory are not his two best wins.....marlon starling was....and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

These guys were great boxers in a tough era.hell an old ,shot,drug damaged curry outboxed norris and nunn in spots.....thats how good he was.

Likewise benitez and pryor were exceptional. If benitez could hang tough with hearns and srl he definetly gives the inferior floyd a v hard fight

Lets please not be blatant fanboys for the flavour of month and recognise yes floyd is very very good....great....but his competition has been fortunate.

He fought overhyped contenders like guerrero,ortiz,berto....and past their prime odlh,mosley,judah ,pac in recent years.

He is a,masterpiece,the canelo win reinforced that, but unless he comes back and beats ggg i think he doesnt do so well against curry

So much predjudice on this board. All you have to do is rate maywather and all of a sudden you are a fanboy who has never seen footage of don curry. I spend hours debating the merits of pretty much every major boxer from 1880 onwards read 100s of books watch 100s of fights but say Floyd was better than starling, curry et all and I'm a fanboy lol. Ahh the internet

That said your opinion and knowledge is certainly something i respect

Judah Ben Fur wrote:

cfang wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Cfang perhaps you ought to recognise that floyd got hurt badly by a ancient and inactive mosley and an old odlh lost controversially.

I fully recognise floyds greatness, but i also recognise the greatness of the other fighters.....that's perhaps something you are unwilling to do.

Donald Curry was a master boxer.have u heard of him or seen him fight? Jones and mcrory are not his two best wins.....marlon starling was....and marlon starling would have beaten floyd.....every poll or thread on the subject has had a majority in favour of marlon over floyd.

These guys were great boxers in a tough era.hell an old ,shot,drug damaged curry outboxed norris and nunn in spots.....thats how good he was.

Likewise benitez and pryor were exceptional. If benitez could hang tough with hearns and srl he definetly gives the inferior floyd a v hard fight

Lets please not be blatant fanboys for the flavour of month and recognise yes floyd is very very good....great....but his competition has been fortunate.

He fought overhyped contenders like guerrero,ortiz,berto....and past their prime odlh,mosley,judah ,pac in recent years.

He is a,masterpiece,the canelo win reinforced that, but unless he comes back and beats ggg i think he doesnt do so well against curry

So much predjudice on this board. All you have to do is rate maywather and all of a sudden you are a fanboy who has never seen footage of don curry. I spend hours debating the merits of pretty much every major boxer from 1880 onwards read 100s of books watch 100s of fights but say Floyd was better than starling, curry et all and I'm a fanboy lol. Ahh the internet

That said your opinion and knowledge is certainly something i respect[/quote

Thanks jbf