How would you rate the boxing expertise on thise board?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wasn't the actual quote "Ruiz is more accomplished than Vit?' Don't just utilize me as your lone source, ask around...

Yes, it's arguable but I firmly stand by it. You said Wlad here or I wouldn't even have commented.

It's certainly possible I mistakenly wrote Wlad instead Vit or visa versa. Let's just agree upon saying "Ruiz being more accomplished than either Vit or Wlad" is a highly unusual opinion.

Well, possible really has nothing to do with it. You did, and anyone that thinks Wlad and his brothers resumes are comparable isn't fit for the discussion. I have many minority opinions, don't cater to the masses. I've been called a moron on here for saying Vitali wasn't a big puncher, Maidana would own Broner and many things. It's a fact that ruiz fought tougher opposition and has better top wins. More losses too, but at the end of his career he fought better guys than Vitali did as 'champion'.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

As for a serious ranking, an overall 10 is pretty impossible. I know something about every borderline top fighter of the last 50 years and a good deal about old timers. not 10 minutes ago i came across a very accomplished guy from the 30's & 40's whom i've never heard of. Always something to learn.

[Tony1244]

Yes, it's arguable but I firmly stand by it. You said Wlad here or I wouldn't even have commented.

It's certainly possible I mistakenly wrote Wlad instead Vit or visa versa. Let's just agree upon saying "Ruiz being more accomplished than either Vit or Wlad" is a highly unusual opinion.

Well, possible really has nothing to do with it. You did, and anyone that thinks Wlad and his brothers resumes are comparable isn't fit for the discussion. I have many minority opinions, don't cater to the masses. I've been called a moron on here for saying Vitali wasn't a big puncher, Maidana would own Broner and many things. It's a fact that ruiz fought tougher opposition and has better top wins. More losses too, but at the end of his career he fought better guys than Vitali did as 'champion'.

"""...anyone that thinks Wlad and his brothers resumes are comparable isn't fit for the discussion...."""

Source?

Saying Vit isn't a good puncher is pretty moronic. Ruiz got beaten badly by Haye. How did Wlad-Haye go? Exactly. Ruiz isn't even in the same league with Byrd, much less either Klitschko.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You sure like to embellish statements. LOL, Vitali is an arm puncher, he's a huge man so it still inflicts pain. He isn't malignaggi, but he isn't a one shot KO artist like his record suggests.

The source for the resumes of the brothers would be anyone that knows how to evaluate one.

Ruiz was an eyesore, maybe if Vitali fought more guys like Rahman, Chagaev, Haye and valuev. He'd have proven himself. Agreed, Byrd rates higher than either Ruiz or Vitali.

[TheBeast]

i like how Cheepa starts the thread saying 10 is Manny and that he is a 9

[jezzamundo]

i like how Cheepa starts the thread saying 10 is Manny and that he is a 9

I had a chuckle at that too.

[MachoTime]

from 1-10

1.........................5.........................10

noob............typical tyson fan............emanuel steward

I would give myself a 9. this board overall a 6. there are some boxing experts on this board, who make sense and have amazing knowledge about boxing, but so many people out here bring the quality down, like "wlad is p4p the best boxer in the world" or "fury is the best heavyweight boxer in the world cause he beat wlad" or "chavez is the best super lightweight ever", but lost to taylor and pernell and somebody like floyd, who can box defence like pernell and is similar as quick as meldrick isnt considered best super light weight, while it is obvious chavez wouldnt catch the guy 12 rounds long and probably lose every single round.

Wow. How did you arrive at 9, Ever fought in the ring or trained fighters?

Lets see never fought -1
Never trained a fighter -1
Boxing Journalist No -1

It seems like you turned the 6 right side up.

[Undefeated49-0]

This is ridiculous to rate your own or anyone else's boxing expertise, first of all anyone can do internet searches when they don't know something to get the accurate info they're looking for. I've forgotten many times when who has faced who, who won, who lost, what weight or other things that the Bean Counters on here regularly quote to try and make themselves come off as some Encyclopedia or something and I could care less if they think they've one-up'd me.

A great many of folks here try to come off as some Boxing Scientist or something when all they're doing is gathering sources from the internet to put up that front.

[man]

8 in CS
10 in BOTP

i am a 5

[Syntax Error]

Generally most on here are fairly knowledgeable but hugely opinionated, that's where most of the trouble comes in.

Spot on.

The trouble with human beings & internet forums is down to their arrogance.

Many of us think our opinions are facts & they're anything but.

Forums like this are the most notorious because we often discuss hypothetical situations & folk who don't agree with you will claim you don't know anything, even though you're discussing something that has never actually happened.

[Ricky_]

I nearly quit the board when Chepppppa posted GOAT p4p list which i think had Rigondeaux in 3rd place behind Roy Jones Jnr in #1 & Sugar RR in #2.

[greg]

Generally most on here are fairly knowledgeable but hugely opinionated, that's where most of the trouble comes in.

Spot on.

The trouble with human beings & internet forums is down to their arrogance.

Many of us think our opinions are facts & they're anything but.

Forums like this are the most notorious because we often discuss hypothetical situations & folk who don't agree with you will claim you don't know anything, even though you're discussing something that has never actually happened.

..good point SE..a lot of posters don't realise theirs is just a subjective opinion they try to sell as gospel truth...however, some opinions are more/less subjective than others...

[Chepppaaa]

from 1-10

1.........................5.........................10

noob............typical tyson fan............emanuel steward

I would give myself a 9. this board overall a 6. there are some boxing experts on this board, who make sense and have amazing knowledge about boxing, but so many people out here bring the quality down, like "wlad is p4p the best boxer in the world" or "fury is the best heavyweight boxer in the world cause he beat wlad" or "chavez is the best super lightweight ever", but lost to taylor and pernell and somebody like floyd, who can box defence like pernell and is similar as quick as meldrick isnt considered best super light weight, while it is obvious chavez wouldnt catch the guy 12 rounds long and probably lose every single round.

Wow. How did you arrive at 9, Ever fought in the ring or trained fighters?

Lets see never fought -1
Never trained a fighter -1
Boxing Journalist No -1

It seems like you turned the 6 right side up.

you have to be a journalist, boxer or trainer to know boxing who says that, you than it must be true

[Chepppaaa]

You're confusing peoples' opinions on hypothetical issues with knowledge.

Opinions & knowledge are two separate things.

when you understand boxing, the technic side of it, than you can very accuratly say how a fight gonne turn out, predict a fight. not always, but often. i am an expert, most fights i predict, i predict them right, cause i know styles, i know technic, i know match ups, bottum line i simply know boxing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[Tony1244]

You're confusing peoples' opinions on hypothetical issues with knowledge.

Opinions & knowledge are two separate things.

when you understand boxing, the technic side of it, than you can very accuratly say how a fight gonne turn out, predict a fight. not always, but often. i am an expert, most fights i predict, i predict them right, cause i know styles, i know technic, i know match ups, bottum line i simply know boxing.

With all due respect, when someone says they're an expert, or womanizer, or very bright, the natural inclination is to believe the opposite is true.

[jezzamundo]

You're confusing peoples' opinions on hypothetical issues with knowledge.

Opinions & knowledge are two separate things.

when you understand boxing, the technic side of it, than you can very accuratly say how a fight gonne turn out, predict a fight. not always, but often. i am an expert, most fights i predict, i predict them right, cause i know styles, i know technic, i know match ups, bottum line i simply know boxing.

With all due respect, when someone says they're an expert, or womanizer, or very bright, the natural inclination is to believe the opposite is true.

Hang on...Chepppaaa is Donald Trump? It all makes sense now!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nah, I'm pretty sure Trump can spell technique and decipher the meaning.

[davie]

I nearly quit the board when Chepppppa posted GOAT p4p list which i think had Rigondeaux in 3rd place behind Roy Jones Jnr in #1 & Sugar RR in #2.

Are you kidding mate?
The only reason I come in to the current scene forum every day is to see what shit Chepppaaaa is talking today.

The forum is a real mixed bag, everything from 1-10 on cheppaaas scale.
I won't rank myself but I'm higher than the OP, I can say that with some certainty

[Tony1244]

Nah, I'm pretty sure Trump can spell technique and decipher the meaning.

[Chepppaaa]

I nearly quit the board when Chepppppa posted GOAT p4p list which i think had Rigondeaux in 3rd place behind Roy Jones Jnr in #1 & Sugar RR in #2.

tell me 10 boxers with a better combination of (speed, accuracy, footwork, upper body movemant, power and overall ring iq) than prime rigondeaux, you probably wont even find 5

and than tell me why he cant be one of the very best, when he is as good or even better than the very best.....i make so much sense, i truly am an expert...hahahahahaha

[MachoTime]

from 1-10

1.........................5.........................10

noob............typical tyson fan............emanuel steward

I would give myself a 9. this board overall a 6. there are some boxing experts on this board, who make sense and have amazing knowledge about boxing, but so many people out here bring the quality down, like "wlad is p4p the best boxer in the world" or "fury is the best heavyweight boxer in the world cause he beat wlad" or "chavez is the best super lightweight ever", but lost to taylor and pernell and somebody like floyd, who can box defence like pernell and is similar as quick as meldrick isnt considered best super light weight, while it is obvious chavez wouldnt catch the guy 12 rounds long and probably lose every single round.

Wow. How did you arrive at 9, Ever fought in the ring or trained fighters?

Lets see never fought -1
Never trained a fighter -1
Boxing Journalist No -1

It seems like you turned the 6 right side up.

you have to be a journalist, boxer or trainer to know boxing who says that, you than it must be true

A prize fighter gets paid to fight. So they now something about fighting.
A Trainer in most if not all cases has past experience in the ring and gets paid to provide his expertise to train fighters.
A journalist gets paid to relay information.

See the correlation.

You however like myself don't get paid to post on a Boxing Message Board.

You are confusing your passion for Boxing as being a Expert.

[palooka]

That's a good point, Macho though reading some of the drivel printed in British newspapers by established journalists it seems to show that some people can get paid for writing about a sport they do not have a clue about. I've read stuff that 90% of BoxRec posters could do better. (Not the boxing news or monthly - the broadsheets and tabloids).

To be awfully honest some of the imported journeymen are not skilled enough to be open class amateurs and in no way should be paid to fight - they show a desperate need for money and no aptitude or talent to display. Some people are paid the going rate to do a poor job.

[MachoTime]

That's a good point, Macho though reading some of the drivel printed in British newspapers by established journalists it seems to show that some people can get paid for writing about a sport they do not have a clue about. I've read stuff that 90% of BoxRec posters could do better. (Not the boxing news or monthly - the broadsheets and tabloids).

That's true. Not saying the members aren't knowledgable. It's like saying Dan R. at ESPN is a Boxing Expert. Although technically he is like it or not cause ESPN is paying him. Some might not like him. Or disagree. Dan R. gets paid just like M.Kellerman. So therefore if everyone on the board is 6. Like it or not add a point to Dan R. so he's a 7. Kellerman add a point to 7.

It's a matter of ego to a person who rates themselves a 9. No, those guys don't know more than me type of attitude.

It takes a while for the youngsters with a lot of Boxing Passion to accept it. If they ever do. I know I have. Im older than those guys I mentioned. But yes they do know more than me. Lampley, Kellerman, Dan Rafael,,,and so on. They get paid..

[palooka]

It's a fair point though the broadcasters and fight announcers will have people briefing them and have crib sheets - they are not just shooting the breeze.