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MightyWarrior wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 14:16 I take it no UK channels are showing this fight?

MightyWarrior wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 15:28 Thanks mate guess I’ll do same - exciting fighter RP

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 20:59 Fairly good performance by Prograis. He really takes chances with the way he uses head movement right in the pocket but always looks like hes packing granite in the chin department anyway. The only one who can stand with him in the pocket is probably Spence, who did beat him as an amateur a couple of times. He took his time tonight and invested to the body. By the time it got to the second half of the fight, Velasco was completely slowed down and had to stand in the pocket more. You can't stand in front of Prograis because he's actually difficult to hit clean and throws punches with great technique because he's rolling into them.

Seems to me that Prograis would give Spence the kind of fight he wants. He's craftier but packing less power it seems. Spence is up at 147 though. Not sure who can beat Prograis at 140. Ramirez is right up Prograis street. He throws a lot of punches Prograis can easily avoid and then land his counters. Prograis actually uses a good jab and should really be getting rewarded for good defensive work as he slips most of the shots coming his way. I know Ohara Davies is at British level now but I can't think of a worse style matchup for him than Prograis. Prograis would get inside and destroy him. Taylor put himself right up there with the win over Postol but I don't see him winning the fight on the backfoot vs Prograis.

I saw Prograis getting hit a fair bit but nothing that really caught him proper flush. He looks like he doesn't mind taking shots because hes riding every shot that comes his way. I thought he got hit too much but come to think of it, he's generally deflecting much of the power by riding the shot. Good head movement at all times.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 20:59 Fairly good performance by Prograis. He really takes chances with the way he uses head movement right in the pocket but always looks like hes packing granite in the chin department anyway. The only one who can stand with him in the pocket is probably Spence, who did beat him as an amateur a couple of times. He took his time tonight and invested to the body. By the time it got to the second half of the fight, Velasco was completely slowed down and had to stand in the pocket more. You can't stand in front of Prograis because he's actually difficult to hit clean and throws punches with great technique because he's rolling into them.

Seems to me that Prograis would give Spence the kind of fight he wants. He's craftier but packing less power it seems. Spence is up at 147 though. Not sure who can beat Prograis at 140. Ramirez is right up Prograis street. He throws a lot of punches Prograis can easily avoid and then land his counters. Prograis actually uses a good jab and should really be getting rewarded for good defensive work as he slips most of the shots coming his way. I know Ohara Davies is at British level now but I can't think of a worse style matchup for him than Prograis. Prograis would get inside and destroy him. Taylor put himself right up there with the win over Postol but I don't see him winning the fight on the backfoot vs Prograis.

I saw Prograis getting hit a fair bit but nothing that really caught him proper flush.



He looks like he doesn't mind taking shots because hes riding every shot that comes his way. I thought he got hit too much but come to think of it, he's generally deflecting much of the power by riding the shot. Good head movement at all times.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 04:22

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 20:59 Fairly good performance by Prograis. He really takes chances with the way he uses head movement right in the pocket but always looks like hes packing granite in the chin department anyway. The only one who can stand with him in the pocket is probably Spence, who did beat him as an amateur a couple of times. He took his time tonight and invested to the body. By the time it got to the second half of the fight, Velasco was completely slowed down and had to stand in the pocket more. You can't stand in front of Prograis because he's actually difficult to hit clean and throws punches with great technique because he's rolling into them.

Seems to me that Prograis would give Spence the kind of fight he wants. He's craftier but packing less power it seems. Spence is up at 147 though. Not sure who can beat Prograis at 140. Ramirez is right up Prograis street. He throws a lot of punches Prograis can easily avoid and then land his counters. Prograis actually uses a good jab and should really be getting rewarded for good defensive work as he slips most of the shots coming his way. I know Ohara Davies is at British level now but I can't think of a worse style matchup for him than Prograis. Prograis would get inside and destroy him. Taylor put himself right up there with the win over Postol but I don't see him winning the fight on the backfoot vs Prograis.

I saw Prograis getting hit a fair bit but nothing that really caught him proper flush.



He looks like he doesn't mind taking shots because hes riding every shot that comes his way. I thought he got hit too much but come to think of it, he's generally deflecting much of the power by riding the shot. Good head movement at all times.

Thanks mate, I haven't seen last night but I have seen people characterise Prograis as a very hittable fighter before, but it always seemed to me his rolling through the shoulders made him fairly defensively responsible given his attacking style. And like you say it's not just that he rolls to avoid shots, he uses the leverage to unload his own punches too.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 04:38

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 04:22

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 20:59 Fairly good performance by Prograis. He really takes chances with the way he uses head movement right in the pocket but always looks like hes packing granite in the chin department anyway. The only one who can stand with him in the pocket is probably Spence, who did beat him as an amateur a couple of times. He took his time tonight and invested to the body. By the time it got to the second half of the fight, Velasco was completely slowed down and had to stand in the pocket more. You can't stand in front of Prograis because he's actually difficult to hit clean and throws punches with great technique because he's rolling into them.

Seems to me that Prograis would give Spence the kind of fight he wants. He's craftier but packing less power it seems. Spence is up at 147 though. Not sure who can beat Prograis at 140. Ramirez is right up Prograis street. He throws a lot of punches Prograis can easily avoid and then land his counters. Prograis actually uses a good jab and should really be getting rewarded for good defensive work as he slips most of the shots coming his way. I know Ohara Davies is at British level now but I can't think of a worse style matchup for him than Prograis. Prograis would get inside and destroy him. Taylor put himself right up there with the win over Postol but I don't see him winning the fight on the backfoot vs Prograis.

I saw Prograis getting hit a fair bit but nothing that really caught him proper flush.



He looks like he doesn't mind taking shots because hes riding every shot that comes his way. I thought he got hit too much but come to think of it, he's generally deflecting much of the power by riding the shot. Good head movement at all times.

Thanks mate, I haven't seen last night but I have seen people characterise Prograis as a very hittable fighter before, but it always seemed to me his rolling through the shoulders made him fairly defensively responsible given his attacking style. And like you say it's not just that he rolls to avoid shots, he uses the leverage to unload his own punches too.

Cheers. I think Taylor might have more of a shot when I think about it because I think the key to fighting Prograis is to try to give him as little to counter as possible. Throwing a lot of punches at him is actually what he wants. He's trying to draw punches that he can work off. Ramirez throws too many punches. I can see Taylor moving a lot and coming in with fast shots and getting out. He's also able to handle himself inside. I thought that Prograis would beat Taylor because Taylor would move and counter and Prograis would just follow him and counter his counters if you know what I mean but Taylor can probably just try to sharpshoot from the outside, constantly move and he has enough power to keep Prograis honest.

I'd pick Prograis to win the fight but I can see Taylor possibly winning with the right gameplan. Prograis vs Postol would tell us a lot. Postol did a lot of holding on the inside vs Taylor and it worked. I'd like to see Prograis deal with that.