Lucas Browne's first test was in fact NEGATIVE - here's a copy of the report

[GhostBoxing15]

Keep guessing

Just like Team Browne, anyone that admits being involved is writing their own death sentence so don't expect any confessions coming from the EU

There is no chance in the world anyone who might have been involved in spiking Browne's food or drink will come forward.

Exactly, Team Browne got caught up feeling like rock stars in 5 star luxury instead of keeping focused & protecting the fighter in a place well known for shonky business

[Like a Boss]

Just like Team Browne, anyone that admits being involved is writing their own death sentence so don't expect any confessions coming from the EU

There is no chance in the world anyone who might have been involved in spiking Browne's food or drink will come forward.

Exactly, Team Browne got caught up feeling like rock stars in 5 star luxury instead of keeping focused & protecting the fighter in a place well known for shonky business

Quite possibly. But you seem to be pushing the "Browne is guilty" barrow and this post from you doesn't support that. In fact it contradicts it.

[amwsnw]

Of course it was!....its worth noting that most posters commented about his 'change in physique'
Fools are easily led by gossip ...wait for the EVIDENCE before you morons jump on the bandwagon!

The comments were made about his physique, because it changed !! The comments were made about his stamina, because it improved - have you even watched any of Lucas' previous bouts or are you just jumping on the wagon now he has had a major win. The reason for the change in physique and stamina could be 1) he finally trained his backside off and changed his diet to finally get into the shape he should be or 2) he had some chemical assistance.
And given that his A sample had a banned substance I don''t think any comments linking the two are moronic.

[GhostBoxing15]

There is no chance in the world anyone who might have been involved in spiking Browne's food or drink will come forward.

Exactly, Team Browne got caught up feeling like rock stars in 5 star luxury instead of keeping focused & protecting the fighter in a place well known for shonky business

Quite possibly. But you seem to be pushing the "Browne is guilty" barrow and this post from you doesn't support that. In fact it contradicts it.

He is Guilty! He failed post fight test.Till he can prove otherwise, This is a discussion forum so what's wrong with looking from both perspectives, We the public don't get enough information & just because he says he's clean isn't good enough & the evidence he used wouldn't be used in court because there simply isn't enough information, I'm trying to look at it from a point of view with limited info

[scottearley123456]

I really want to believe that browne is innocent.

I think there is no motivation for a heavy weight to take a weight stripper so why would he?
he has tested negative on the first test that was randomly timed.
Yes his physique has changed but if you have been following him on Facebook you will see this has been a Very gradual process from eating healthy and training hard

Even if cleared this is bad news for Browne as he wont be fighting for some time and people especially on here will always question him in the future.

The fact of the matter is that Browne went to a foreign country after working his ass off to get a shot. He then put in a tone of heart and brave performance to take the win.

The only enhancement that browne had or needed was a massively improved skill set . He was a much better boxer than expected

[Like a Boss]

Nobody but Browne himself really knows whether he knowingly took performance enhancing drugs.

What we do know at this stage is there is no positive result on his February 29th test. But there is a positive to clen on his March 6th test.

Looking at things logically:

Browne specifically knew he would be tested pre and post fight because by demanding VADA do the testing he was indirectly demanding pre and post fight tests.

Browne taking a banned substance after personally ensuring VADA would be testing him both pre and post fight is akin to someone intending to murder someone and then taking them over to a video security camera so as the murder could be recorded for the authorities to use in evidence against them.

It makes zero sense as many have already said. Totally illogical.

[scottearley123456]

Nobody but Browne himself really knows whether he knowingly took performance enhancing drugs.

What we do know at this stage is there is no positive result on his February 29th test. But there is a positive to clen on his March 6th test.

Looking at things logically:

Browne specifically knew he would be tested pre and post fight because by demanding VADA do the testing he was indirectly demanding pre and post fight tests.

Browne taking a banned substance after personally ensuring VADA would be testing him both pre and post fight is akin to someone intending to murder someone and then taking them over to a video security camera so as the murder could be recorded for the authorities to use in evidence against them.

It makes zero sense as many have already said. Totally illogical.

I agree and it is such a shame. I really feel for the bloke.

[bogan whisperer]

You don't even know what reading Browne registered on his positive test

You have made so many assumptions you are tripping over them

We don't know the reading because Browne isn't sharing the information, let's sit back & watch the circus of Team Browne, going on a witch hunt to search for the Holy Grail in Chechnya where nobody speaks English, Goodluck with him proving his innocence

There's a very good reason why we don't know the reading and why Browne hasn't shared the information.

But you have been too busy searching Google for grabs of information on clenbuterol in an attempt to look like you know something about it to have noticed something so fundamentally obvious as the reason Browne hasn't declared the clenbuterol reading.

[dberry]

What I do know about clenbuterol is that, like most stimulants and amphetamines, is that it won't help a fighter at all in the seventh, eighth or ninth rounds, in fact, after two or three rounds it will hinder the fighter as their metabolism is sped up and heart rate raised causing early and dramatic energy depletion so why would a heavyweight who was on track with weight and fitness way before fight night take it on fight night?

[GhostBoxing15]

What I do know about clenbuterol is that, like most stimulants and amphetamines, is that it won't help a fighter at all in the seventh, eighth or ninth rounds, in fact, after two or three rounds it will hinder the fighter as their metabolism is sped up and heart rate raised causing early and dramatic energy depletion so why would a heavyweight who was on track with weight and fitness way before fight night take it on fight night?

We haven't seen any evidence from the Browne camp that he was tested for Clen in the pre fight testing, so it could have been in his system long before the fight, we haven't seen anything yet to prove otherwise

[Like a Boss]

Before the fight on the February 29th VADA performed both blood and urine tests on Lucas Browne. After the fight on March 6th VADA performed only a urine test on him.

That will be why Browne hasn't gone public with the amount of clenbuterol found in his body. Because he won't have even been told. Reason being only a blood test would show the true amount. A urine test would only indicate if it falls within acceptable limits or not.

[convict]

Although he didn't win the title and failed the post fight drug test - Oquendo did six months on the sideline and I believe due to a court case got him a rematch with Chagaev and WBA's approval as the mandatory.

[dberry]

What I do know about clenbuterol is that, like most stimulants and amphetamines, is that it won't help a fighter at all in the seventh, eighth or ninth rounds, in fact, after two or three rounds it will hinder the fighter as their metabolism is sped up and heart rate raised causing early and dramatic energy depletion so why would a heavyweight who was on track with weight and fitness way before fight night take it on fight night?

We haven't seen any evidence from the Browne camp that he was tested for Clen in the pre fight testing, so it could have been in his system long before the fight, we haven't seen anything yet to prove otherwise

How long after taking Clembuterol is it detectable, I know after taking amphetamines it is only one to two days whereas nandrolone can be two years?

[Like a Boss]

What I do know about clenbuterol is that, like most stimulants and amphetamines, is that it won't help a fighter at all in the seventh, eighth or ninth rounds, in fact, after two or three rounds it will hinder the fighter as their metabolism is sped up and heart rate raised causing early and dramatic energy depletion so why would a heavyweight who was on track with weight and fitness way before fight night take it on fight night?

We haven't seen any evidence from the Browne camp that he was tested for Clen in the pre fight testing, so it could have been in his system long before the fight, we haven't seen anything yet to prove otherwise

How long after taking Clembuterol is it detectable, I know after taking amphetamines it is only one to two days whereas nandrolone can be two years?

There seem to be various accounts on-line for how long clenbuterol is detectable.

This source http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19821644 claims urinary clenbuterol is detectable until day 14 after the last dose.

AVADA detected the clenbuterol in Lucas Browne's urine test on March 6th, the day after he fought Chagaev and about a week after he tested clean to both blood and urine tests on February 29th.

[GhostBoxing15]

Before the fight on the February 29th VADA performed both blood and urine tests on Lucas Browne. After the fight on March 6th VADA performed only a urine test on him.

That will be why Browne hasn't gone public with the amount of clenbuterol found in his body. Because he won't have even been told. Reason being only a blood test would show the true amount. A urine test would only indicate if it falls within acceptable limits or not.

no evidence of him being tested for Clen in pre fights tests, probably has no idea himself

[Like a Boss]

Before the fight on the February 29th VADA performed both blood and urine tests on Lucas Browne. After the fight on March 6th VADA performed only a urine test on him.

That will be why Browne hasn't gone public with the amount of clenbuterol found in his body. Because he won't have even been told. Reason being only a blood test would show the true amount. A urine test would only indicate if it falls within acceptable limits or not.

no evidence of him being tested for Clen in pre fights tests, probably has no idea himself

Browne tested clean to the blood and urine tests pre-fight. Whatever those tests included he came up clean.

The only test he tested positive to was the urine test post fight. The urine test would only indicate if his clenbuterol level falls within, or outside of, acceptable limits. It wouldn't have indicated by exactly how much. So Browne wouldn't know himself and is obviously unable to go public with a reading when he doesn't even know it.