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Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

No.

I agree he turned out to be one of these relatively terrible fighters with an undefeated record. I just follow undefeated HWs. There was a thread on that somewhere here, so its not just me.

There are piles of guys like that:

Vladimir Tereshkin 19 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/397632
Matteo Modugno 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/531388
Justin Jones 18 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/429552
Facundo Nahuel Simal 20 http://boxrec.com/boxer/451320 (1.75m, or 5'9", but up to 259 pounds!)
Francisco Silvens 19 http://boxrec.com/boxer/668050 (where from 18ko!)
Boban Filipovic 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/674375 (with 16 KOs, 1 disqualification and one technical decision)

And then, the lowest ranked of all:
Fabio Maldonado 24 http://boxrec.com/boxer/171565 (all KOs, except for one opponend who got disqualified)

But none of the above guys are in the top 100 !

Gjerjag was at least in the top 30.

Yes it was a flagrant mismatch, no one can argue that. Yes, every boxing fan would have preferred Haye vs either Fury, Wilder, or Pulev.

Fights vs undefeated undefeated heavyweights sell and there are slim picking among European Heavyweights.

Top 20 European, not world, but undefeated European Heavyweights only had Teper ahead of Gjejag on the list and he's almost as bad, not to mention suspended.

I can name quite a few in the top 20 who shouldn't be in actually.

Boy that looked embarrassing for Haye, the last 2 opponents look borderline set up.
Just awful, doesn't do nothing for Haye.

Evander wrote:Boy that looked embarrassing for Haye, the last 2 opponents look borderline set up.
Just awful, doesn't do nothing for Haye.

Or it looks like David Haye is just so good he can walk through these talented, heavy handed, undefeated heavywieghts


Although your theory sound better...

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
There are piles of guys like that:

Vladimir Tereshkin 19 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/397632
Matteo Modugno 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/531388
Justin Jones 18 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/429552
Facundo Nahuel Simal 20 http://boxrec.com/boxer/451320 (1.75m, or 5'9", but up to 259 pounds!)
Francisco Silvens 19 http://boxrec.com/boxer/668050 (where from 18ko!)
Boban Filipovic 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/674375 (with 16 KOs, 1 disqualification and one technical decision)

And then, the lowest ranked of all:
Fabio Maldonado 24 http://boxrec.com/boxer/171565 (all KOs, except for one opponend who got disqualified)

But none of the above guys are in the top 100 !

Gjerjag was at least in the top 30.

Yes it was a flagrant mismatch, no one can argue that. Yes, every boxing fan would have preferred Haye vs either Fury, Wilder, or Pulev.

Fights vs undefeated undefeated heavyweights sell and there are slim picking among European Heavyweights.

Top 20 European, not world, but undefeated European Heavyweights only had Teper ahead of Gjejag on the list and he's almost as bad, not to mention suspended.

I can name quite a few in the top 20 who shouldn't be in actually.

It's all done "mathematically," which of course is different than how good you are.

Regarding boxrec ratings, sometimes they have someone who's like 3-1 who fought nobodies, and he's in the top 50 or something crazy like that.

Certainly the Haye and Briggs fights were mismatches but we've seen even worse. Wilder, who I like, fought some ex-super middleweights who were retired 5 years.

Briggs recently knocked out a nice guy named Michael Marrone who was a retired fighter and now a restaunteer.

Never seen anyone go down in such a fake fashion as vs that jab though, that was laughable.

sharpei_louis wrote:Never seen anyone go down in such a fake fashion as vs that jab though, that was laughable.

It was a flagrant mismatch. What difference does it make?

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

crusader wrote:
Were we hearing of Gjerjag before Haye decided to fight him?

No.

I agree he turned out to be one of these relatively terrible fighters with an undefeated record. I just follow undefeated HWs. There was a thread on that somewhere here, so its not just me.

There are piles of guys like that:

Vladimir Tereshkin 19 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/397632
Matteo Modugno 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/531388
Justin Jones 18 (one draw) http://boxrec.com/boxer/429552
Facundo Nahuel Simal 20 http://boxrec.com/boxer/451320 (1.75m, or 5'9", but up to 259 pounds!)
Francisco Silvens 19 http://boxrec.com/boxer/668050 (where from 18ko!)
Boban Filipovic 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/674375 (with 16 KOs, 1 disqualification and one technical decision)

And then, the lowest ranked of all:
Fabio Maldonado 24 http://boxrec.com/boxer/171565 (all KOs, except for one opponend who got disqualified)

Interesting list. I wonder if these boxers are managed for this cash out purpose from the start or if they lose ambition and then cash out before retiring.

I've never seen a record like Silvens'! 19 wins, 14 of his opponents had never won a bout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFBWPDNXJk

This is not the first time a guy with an undefeated record moved up and was completely destroyed. Above you can watch Ken Norton- Duane Bobick KO1.

Some of you aren't handling this all too well, claiming it was a fake. Is the implication that Gjerjag would have won if it wasn't fake? LOL.

Joshua will likely beat Breazeale in similar fashion. But an undefeated guy in the top 50 should be given an opportunity to prove us all wrong.

I enjoyed the very interesting list of undefeated Heavyweights, but those guys never beat anyone in the top 100.

Fight was clearly fixed as you can see here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD63RBYGJNk

Wat about fixed fight ? Who regulates that ? i think they need to be suspended for years and spectators to be refunded.

This is a shame.

11watch wrote:Fight was clearly fixed as you can see here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD63RBYGJNk

Wat about fixed fight ? Who regulates that ? i think they need to be suspended for years and spectators to be refunded.

This is a shame.

Gjlerjag sucks. You seem to be having a hard time with this fact.

Tony1244 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFBWPDNXJk

This is not the first time a guy with an undefeated record moved up and was completely destroyed. Above you can watch Ken Norton- Duane Bobick KO1.

Some of you aren't handling this all too well, claiming it was a fake. Is the implication that Gjerjag would have won if it wasn't fake? LOL.

Joshua will likely beat Breazeale in similar fashion. But an undefeated guy in the top 50 should be given an opportunity to prove us all wrong.

I enjoyed the very interesting list of undefeated Heavyweights, but those guys never beat anyone in the top 100.

I don't think there is human being alive today who believed that Gjergaj would have won; he was clearly picked because he was no threat, but he did go down very easily.

It's just like when Bruce Seldon lost to Tyson: Mike was always going to win that fight, but Seldon could have put up a better fight if he wanted to; he just didn't want to.

Syntax Error wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFBWPDNXJk

This is not the first time a guy with an undefeated record moved up and was completely destroyed. Above you can watch Ken Norton- Duane Bobick KO1.

Some of you aren't handling this all too well, claiming it was a fake. Is the implication that Gjerjag would have won if it wasn't fake? LOL.

Joshua will likely beat Breazeale in similar fashion. But an undefeated guy in the top 50 should be given an opportunity to prove us all wrong.

I enjoyed the very interesting list of undefeated Heavyweights, but those guys never beat anyone in the top 100.

I don't think there is human being alive today who believed that Gjergaj would have won; he was clearly picked because he was no threat, but he did go down very easily.

It's just like when Bruce Seldon lost to Tyson: Mike was always going to win that fight, but Seldon could have put up a better fight if he wanted to; he just didn't want to.

I basically agree with that. Perhaps in both cases, in a best case scenario they could have lasted a couple more minutes if they really wanted to. But as I said what difference does it make?

If someone handed me a wad of cash, perhaps I'd be knocked out cold by a top fighter or perhaps I'd pretend to be knocked out cold by a top fighter before it actually happened.

Seldon got hit on the top of the head. Only he knows if he was "out." People have screamed "Fix" in cases where someone died in the ring.

Syntax Error wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFBWPDNXJk

This is not the first time a guy with an undefeated record moved up and was completely destroyed. Above you can watch Ken Norton- Duane Bobick KO1.

Some of you aren't handling this all too well, claiming it was a fake. Is the implication that Gjerjag would have won if it wasn't fake? LOL.

Joshua will likely beat Breazeale in similar fashion. But an undefeated guy in the top 50 should be given an opportunity to prove us all wrong.

I enjoyed the very interesting list of undefeated Heavyweights, but those guys never beat anyone in the top 100.

I don't think there is human being alive today who believed that Gjergaj would have won; he was clearly picked because he was no threat, but he did go down very easily.

It's just like when Bruce Seldon lost to Tyson: Mike was always going to win that fight, but Seldon could have put up a better fight if he wanted to; he just didn't want to.

This

Arnie was going down quickly no matter what, but it looked to me like he did his 'best' to get out of there.

Shirow wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Francisco Silvens 19 http://boxrec.com/boxer/668050 (where from 18ko!)
Boban Filipovic 18 http://boxrec.com/boxer/674375 (with 16 KOs, 1 disqualification and one technical decision)

And then, the lowest ranked of all:
Fabio Maldonado 24 http://boxrec.com/boxer/171565 (all KOs, except for one opponend who got disqualified)

Interesting list. I wonder if these boxers are managed for this cash out purpose from the start or if they lose ambition and then cash out before retiring.

I've never seen a record like Silvens'! 19 wins, 14 of his opponents had never won a bout.

Maldonado is even more extreme actually imo.

davie wrote:

Evander wrote:Boy that looked embarrassing for Haye, the last 2 opponents look borderline set up.
Just awful, doesn't do nothing for Haye.

Or it looks like David Haye is just so good he can walk through these talented, heavy handed, undefeated heavywieghts


Although your theory sound better...

Let's be honest we all know what David Haye is doing here.
He fighting a whole bunch of easy opponents to put himself in line for a shot at one of the bigger names in the division namely Fury,Wilder,Joshua or Klitschko.
It doesn't matter which one because each will provide a good payday.
It's nothing new and been done before, it's just a question of how good or bad the opponents will be until the fight and so far it's been terrible.
But he knows if he holds on one of the bigger names will take it.
Let's Go Champ

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Evander wrote:

davie wrote:

Evander wrote:Boy that looked embarrassing for Haye, the last 2 opponents look borderline set up.
Just awful, doesn't do nothing for Haye.

Or it looks like David Haye is just so good he can walk through these talented, heavy handed, undefeated heavywieghts


Although your theory sound better...

Let's be honest we all know what David Haye is doing here.
He fighting a whole bunch of easy opponents to put himself in line for a shot at one of the bigger names in the division namely Fury,Wilder,Joshua or Klitschko.
It doesn't matter which one because each will provide a good payday.
It's nothing new and been done before, it's just a question of how good or bad the opponents will be until the fight and so far it's been terrible.
But he knows if he holds on one of the bigger names will take it.
Let's Go Champ

Right on the Mark.

The latest David Gaye Fake Fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... D63RBYGJNk

What you have Haye doing is pitty patting the Albanian like a light bag, nothing punches, just fast little hand punches with nothing at all on them...and then the jerk sits down. The other phony knockdown was Haye reaching with a jab and just barely landing. Nothing on it. Likewise. You can see that Haye actually did hit him with a good shot earlier which he totally ignored. He takes a very good shot. Compare what Bakhtar - who is a real heavyweight boxer - was throwing at him - shown in the film - with Haye's little pitty pats - and he was fine.

The announcers were shilling it up for all they were worth, like a couple of wrestling announcers..."thunderous right hand"...Ha ha!

Oh, come on! Give David a break here. Everyone is calling Gjergjaj so terrible, while before the fight he was no worse and probably a little better than Wilder's opponents - Duhaupas and Molina. Wilder was not given such a hard time even tho those were title fights. Gjergjaj was undefieted and ranked in top-30 by Boxrec before the fight, unlike those two. Yet some defended Wilders opposition and Haye is being critisied by everyone here.
I agree Haye engages in mismatches, just like almost any other boxer, but he does not hold a belt and is coming back after an injury and a few years' retirement, and Arnie and Shannon are not that much awfull. I'll probably tune in to wath the next fight, though I know what to expect - pretty much a guaranteed KO.

And stop this nonsense about the fight being fixed. A fix implies that one fighter is explicitly bribed to lose. Do you think Haye's people wanted to lay out any extra money to make sure of that? Its not a fix when a boxer is contracted to fight a better fighter that he has little chances againts, he steps in the ring, takes huge shots from the start and looks for a way out, realizing his little chances are actually approaching zero.

Leonid wrote:Oh, come on! Give David a break here. Everyone is calling Gjergjaj so terrible, while before the fight he was no worse and probably a little better than Wilder's opponents - Duhaupas and Molina. Wilder was not given such a hard time even tho those were title fights. Gjergjaj was undefieted and ranked in top-30 by Boxrec before the fight, unlike those two. Yet some defended Wilders opposition and Haye is being critisied by everyone here.
I agree Haye engages in mismatches, just like almost any other boxer, but he does not hold a belt and is coming back after an injury and a few years' retirement, and Arnie and Shannon are not that much awfull. I'll probably tune in to wath the next fight, though I know what to expect - pretty much a guaranteed KO.

No everyone was saying he was awful. Fury sent him home from sparring because he was too useless, he got knocked down by a jab and barely threw a punch. The guy Briggs fought, knocked out in one, Hughie Fury had knocked out in two, it took Arnold Gjergjaj seven rounds to knock him out. PLus Wilder had just fought Striven, not Mark De Mori. A considering one just knocked out Helenius, and the other just knocked out Adamek, they clearly have a little more ability, than Gjarjar

A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

Controversial wrote:A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

x2x wrote:The latest David Gaye Fake Fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... D63RBYGJNk

What you have Haye doing is pitty patting the Albanian like a light bag, nothing punches, just fast little hand punches with nothing at all on them...and then the jerk sits down. The other phony knockdown was Haye reaching with a jab and just barely landing. Nothing on it. Likewise. You can see that Haye actually did hit him with a good shot earlier which he totally ignored. He takes a very good shot. Compare what Bakhtar - who is a real heavyweight boxer - was throwing at him - shown in the film - with Haye's little pitty pats - and he was fine.

The announcers were shilling it up for all they were worth, like a couple of wrestling announcers..."thunderous right hand"...Ha ha!

It was embarrassing, the guy was just looking to get out of there as soon as possible, absolutely no ambition.

Clearly he knew his role, and was happy to play it to the best of his abilities. Pantomime boxing at it's finest.

BitPlayer wrote:

Controversial wrote:A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

Controversial wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Controversial wrote:A fix haha I've heard it all now. Why would Haye pay Gjerjag to lay down, he stood no chance anyway. A fixed fight is invariably when the underdog beats the favourite in a suspicious manner, not when the favourite wins a fight he was expected to win.

No a fixed fight is where someone is paid to lose, many of Carera's fixed fights were against journeymen he should have beaten anyway.

Why would you pay someone to lose when you can beat them anyway?

This wasn't a fix, however, the opponent had no real intention of trying to win. He was happy to get his pay, and get out of there taking the minimum punishment.

The ridiculous dive he took following the shot after the bell was completely laughable.