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forcefraser wrote:Crolla beats him if he keeps his shape.

Russell Jr rematch would be fun. First one was close and they have both improved since then.

Crolla would be ko'd.

forcefraser wrote:Crolla beats him if he keeps his shape.

Russell Jr rematch would be fun. First one was close and they have both improved since then.

Ha'way man, give your head a shake.

Hello, McFly, hello.

samwbr wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Crolla beats him if he keeps his shape.

Russell Jr rematch would be fun. First one was close and they have both improved since then.

Crolla would be ko'd.

Come one suggesting Crolla v Lomachenko could happen is ridiculous.

Crolla would certainly have it but no chance Gallagher would.

I think Loma may end up fighting Berchelt next who is mandatory and possibly took step aside money for last night. I want the Salido fight again though.

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Hello, McFly, hello.

Ha ha - I thought I was the only one who used that saying!

I usually say it to my nephew whilst knocking on his head - he hasnt got a clue what I am on about!

Lomachecnko is an outstanding talent but he has only just moved to 130. Ricky Burns out slugged Martinez 6 years ago. He has work,to do at 130 does Lomachenko. Such as revenge over Salido, which I'm certain he's capable of. Martinez and Salido are rock hard, battle tested but a bit long in the tooth super featherweights. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, to lightweight already, even though VL does look truly outstanding. He may not carry the weight so well if he jumps up another weight class...

bripez wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Hello, McFly, hello.

Ha ha - I thought I was the only one who used that saying!

I usually say it to my nephew whilst knocking on his head - he hasnt got a clue what I am on about!

I'm a manager and when the new boy doesn't do what he's told, I get hold of his head, tap my knuckles and say, "Hola McFly, Hola" or "Shalom McFLy, Shalom." I like to se a good example to the team.

Stunning KO from Lomachenko i never seen that coming that was outstanding,and a really great performance all round,he never let Martinez get going,it almost looked as if Roman was gonna try and box Loma but i think he was just bamboozled by his movement,just stunning to watch,the left hand down the pipe landing at will then the uppercut/right hook to KO Martinez was right out of the top drawer

I could and will watch this many more times

billy nelson wrote:Martinez will be stopped with uppercuts, he's wide open for them especially when he throws a left hook to the body

Well played Billy,uppercut certainly played its part in the KO

I don't think crolla can be written off he's a genuine world champion. But loma is an extreme talent.

Finn wrote:I don't think crolla can be written off he's a genuine world champion. But loma is an extreme talent.

He can be written off, we're talking about quite possibly the best amateur boxer ever who's turned pro and within 7 fights is already a 2 weight world champion. Lomachenko is a special fighter, if he gets the right fights then I can see him ending up in the hall of fame without a doubt, very rare that a talent like him comes around. Right the way up to 10st the only fighter I can see capable of beating him is Crawford. Few others might give him a decent fight but Crolla isn't one of them, if he lasted the distance he'd have done very well.

Finn wrote:I don't think crolla can be written off he's a genuine world champion. But loma is an extreme talent.

I think he can be written off 100% in 2 attempts at trying he didn't beat Derry Matthews. Lomachenko would muller Crolla

forcefraser wrote:Crolla beats him if he keeps his shape.

Russell Jr rematch would be fun. First one was close and they have both improved since then.

I don't see improvement from Russell....he didn't go anything against Gonzalez, who was slow, stiff and tailor-made for him, that Loma didn't already handle fairly easily.. I also thought that was a 9-3 type win for Loma, and the draw card was horrible.

I think Crolla is too basic for Loma, and while guys like Perez and Barraso are solid at a certain level, they arent remotely near Loma's class. Crolla also doesn't have the non-stop high pressure style that Salido gave 1-0 Loma trouble with, and I dont think Crolla would get him out of his comfort zone. Loma paces himself well and probanly wouldn't fall victim to the let him tire then come on strong Gallagher strategy either.

Would like to see him beat Salido. The Walters fight would still be good to watch as well. I'd pick him over everyone from 126 to 135.

crusader wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Crolla beats him if he keeps his shape.

Russell Jr rematch would be fun. First one was close and they have both improved since then.

I don't see improvement from Russell....he didn't go anything against Gonzalez, who was slow, stiff and tailor-made for him, that Loma didn't already handle fairly easily.. I also thought that was a 9-3 type win for Loma, and the draw card was horrible.

I think Crolla is too basic for Loma, and while guys like Perez and Barraso are solid at a certain level, they arent remotely near Loma's class. Crolla also doesn't have the non-stop high pressure style that Salido gave 1-0 Loma trouble with, and I dont think Crolla would get him out of his comfort zone. Loma paces himself well and probanly wouldn't fall victim to the let him tire then come on strong Gallagher strategy either.

The typical Gallagher do nothing for 6 rounds strategy would be absolutely insane against a fighter with the footwork, hand speed and shot selection of Lomachenko it's just ridiculous people are even talking about this fight.

Just buzzing Loma had a big performance I really hope he can do something similar to Salido I really hope that fight happens next.

It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

One poster mentioned both Crolla and Flannigan, but then another poster specified that Crolla would beat Loma, and hence several people responded to that. No one suggested that Flannigan would beat Loma, so it's pretty clear why he wasn't 'brought...into it' as Crolla was.

You're quite the sensitive one about Crolla and Gallagher

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

Kosta Tszyu was brilliant. Hatton got him at the right time, not sure he would have beat him in his prime. I watched him win the world's in 91 in Sydney, different class.

Webbo911 wrote:In terms of skill and technique, this guy is on another planet.

Hope he gets the Salido rematch next, then a unification fight.

Salido's marauding, high output style is always gonna be tough, but I think Lomanchenko has matured as a pro and I think he can pull it off.

Who is more talented than this guy in the world?

Roman Gonzalez

Lomachenko wont hang around. There plan is to be the best boxer of all time. Amateur and Pro.. I see him being a 4 weight Worpld Champion by 12 fights how crazy would that be. Im a big Ricky Burns fan but Loma would play with him and stop him bad.. Crolla at lightweight would end really bad. I think the question will be can he be a 5 weight champ. Would give him a good chance v Brook and Garcia... As for Salido rematch its a waste of time.. He was robbed and Salido came in over weight. I would ignore that one step straight up to lightweight couple of fights there

samwbr wrote:

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

Kosta Tszyu was brilliant. Hatton got him at the right time, not sure he would have beat him in his prime. I watched him win the world's in 91 in Sydney, different class.

Yes, I think 2-3 years earlier, Hatton would have been badly bashed up.

MightyWarrior wrote:

Webbo911 wrote:In terms of skill and technique, this guy is on another planet.

Hope he gets the Salido rematch next, then a unification fight.

Salido's marauding, high output style is always gonna be tough, but I think Lomanchenko has matured as a pro and I think he can pull it off.

Who is more talented than this guy in the world?

Roman Gonzalez

I rate him very highly. Good shout.

Just think Lomanchenko is better. Beautiful to watch.

Agree on the Tszyu / Hatton comments.

This is an example of inch perfect matchmaking and promoting.

Although he got a lot of stick for a while from both Hatton and his supporters, Frank timed the fight to perfection

samwbr wrote:

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

Kosta Tszyu was brilliant. Hatton got him at the right time, not sure he would have beat him in his prime. I watched him win the world's in 91 in Sydney, different class.

Was that the Vernon Forrest fight? Possibly the best performance I've seen in the amateur ring, he was absolutely punch-perfect

crusader wrote:

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

One poster mentioned both Crolla and Flannigan, but then another poster specified that Crolla would beat Loma, and hence several people responded to that. No one suggested that Flannigan would beat Loma, so it's pretty clear why he wasn't 'brought...into it' as Crolla was.

You're quite the sensitive one about Crolla and Gallagher

I mentioned Crolla and Flanagan as they're UK fighters with world titles the weight above Lomachenko. Its not bringing them down in saying I dont think they'd do anything with him, just opinion. Not inconceivable that he looks at titlists at 135.

Counter-puncher wrote:

samwbr wrote:

Autobarn wrote:It's funny how almost every thread finds a way to bring down Crolla, Gallagher or Eddie Hearn. It's standard to snipe at British targets especially those that angry young men posters see as the establishment or the mainstream. That's why I find it interesting and illuminating that no one brought Terry Flanagan, more of an outsider, into it.

Lomachenko is clearly excellent. That was obvious versus Russell, when he just knew what position to be in to hit and not get hit, when to punch and when to defend. He seems to even be coming on better, great...if Crolla will one day face this potential future great, then that's very exciting if our lightweight champs will measure themselves against the big names - just like Buchanan and Watt did in our last great era of 135-pounders.

There have been many outstanding fighters from the former Russian countries to move from decorated amateur careers to pro world titles. Nazarov, Arbachakov, Tszyu were among the first. They peak in the amateurs OR in their early years as professionals, then wear out or accumulate too many injuries. Tszyu lasted longer but who'd have predicted a guy called Ricky Hatton would've been the guy to end his reign?

Kosta Tszyu was brilliant. Hatton got him at the right time, not sure he would have beat him in his prime. I watched him win the world's in 91 in Sydney, different class.

Was that the Vernon Forrest fight? Possibly the best performance I've seen in the amateur ring, he was absolutely punch-perfect

Yeah, brilliant performance. Don't think we appreciated just how good it was at the time, I was out there for a year we just went along to the tournament and got lucky with the schedule.