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foxdog1923 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: Pretty active..yeah I guess.

1 fight this year so far and will probably close the year out with 2 fights.

6 years, 25 fights, 37 years of age.

He's had 4 fights in the last 12 months.

Yep, like we agreed above he's pretty active. 4 fights in the last 12 months but for 2016 he'll have 2 fights. All facts.

That's what happens when you move up to HBO and Showtime. Certainly not a fact that he won't fight after September. Last year he fought in October and December. He's more active than most. Getting Ustinov in the ring has been quite tedious and he needs to cling to his paper title to attract opponents. Not to mention GBP has limited cards and HBO has cut back their dates. Nothing to complain about, just Boxing in America.

BitPlayer wrote:

allInmoderationAIM wrote:The only seven names that matter at heavyweight, in no order are: POVETKIN WILDER FURY PARKER JOSHUA WALD.K. HAYE. Sorry..Ortiz not in site per accomplishments. I have LUCAS BROWNE OVER HIM ("accomplishments"). And..both BROWNE and ORTIZ work holding "bogus credentials".

Ortiz has accomplished more than Joshua though. Jennings is far better than anyone Joshua has faced.

Ortiz man-up record/time-line his career IS NOT all so impressive. Let's say Jennings his best opp to date. Not saying really a lot. If Jennings better than the last one..he may be but..that undefeated record and that high KO % gave the guy a certain aura and distinction. Opp 2 Opp probably not a big difference between them but, come-on, Joshua in a certain rare ellement right now. Their is no way NOT2 rate him much steeper.
I'll only say Ortiz is an element. He could match Ruiz AND Dominic Brez and these will become eye openers.
No one outside of real stern fans know anything what so ever about Ortiz. I think Kalan here on the forum sums it up the best, if you read what he writes except, I don't know where he's coming from as far as how very high up he puts him. But, the perceptions part I can identify with him.
And, you then throughly agree with me about this "triple titles GARBAGE" the WBA is labeling? WBA is the goods but..that all is very bad idea. (As if boxing is NOT already mixed-up enough!)

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Certainly not a fact that he won't fight after September. Last year he fought in October and December. He's more active than most. Getting Ustinov in the ring has been quite tedious and he NEEDS TO CLING TO HIS PAPER TITLE to attract opponents. Not to mention GBP has limited cards and HBO has cut back their dates. Nothing to complain about, just Boxing in America.

I look at this much differently than you do. He wanted the fights because it is an offer and he may not control that part of the show. O.K! But, it isn't noble to be holding something so disgraceful and overall bad for the entire industry. Let's say the WBC IBF & WBO follow suit?
Stinks to high heavens and someone has suggested the WBA does this not for the better of the Sport, but to grow sanctioning fees.
Who can I do an intense session (sessions) of talks with to take the WBA CEO position? I am FRIEND of the ABA CEO and he will support me.

allInmoderationAIM wrote:The only seven names that matter at heavyweight, in no order are: POVETKIN WILDER FURY PARKER JOSHUA WALD.K. HAYE. Sorry..Ortiz not in site per accomplishments. I have LUCAS BROWNE OVER HIM ("accomplishments"). And..both BROWNE and ORTIZ work holding "bogus credentials".

Ortiz would beat all of those guys right now... In a year or so he WON'T beat them all... Jennings had just given Lineal World Champion Klitschko a good 12-round go in his previous fight, and now he was with John David Jackson.. Ortiz's complete domination a stoppage of a recent #1 contender should have gotten him a big fight... You're not supposed to go to the back of the line when you win big... But today I guess you DO go to the back.

Chris Algieri got a Pacquiao fight after a very dubious win the next division down... Aligiri loses every round to Pac and he gets a Khan fight... Khan eeks out a win over Algieri in a completely stinky fight -- and he gets a Canelo fight... Meanwhile Crawford, Spence, and Golovkin have nothing but super impressive KO wins on their resumes -- but the Pacquiao, Khan, and Canelo matchups eluded them.

Kalan wrote:

allInmoderationAIM wrote:The only seven names that matter at heavyweight, in no order are: POVETKIN WILDER FURY PARKER JOSHUA WALD.K. HAYE. Sorry..Ortiz not in site per accomplishments. I have LUCAS BROWNE OVER HIM ("accomplishments"). And..both BROWNE and ORTIZ work holding "bogus credentials".

Ortiz would beat all of those guys right now...

On another thread, you posted Joshua was like the greatest boxer ever lived but now he gets beat by Ortiz??

Im not disagreeing with that point that Ortiz could beat Joshua, Im simply pointing out your contradiction.

Your name truly is liar.

Kalan wrote:

allInmoderationAIM wrote:The only seven names that matter at heavyweight, in no order are: POVETKIN WILDER FURY PARKER JOSHUA WALD.K. HAYE. Sorry..Ortiz not in site per accomplishments. I have LUCAS BROWNE OVER HIM ("accomplishments"). And..both BROWNE and ORTIZ work holding "bogus credentials".

Ortiz would beat all of those guys right now... In a year or so he WON'T beat them all... Jennings had just given Lineal World Champion Klitschko a good 12-round go in his previous fight, and now he was with John David Jackson.. Ortiz's complete domination a stoppage of a recent #1 contender should have gotten him a big fight... You're not supposed to go to the back of the line when you win big... But today I guess you DO go to the back.

Chris Algieri got a Pacquiao fight after a very dubious win the next division down... Aligiri loses every round to Pac and he gets a Khan fight... Khan eeks out a win over Algieri in a completely stinky fight -- and he gets a Canelo fight... Meanwhile Crawford, Spence, and Golovkin have nothing but super impressive KO wins on their resumes -- but the Pacquiao, Khan, and Canelo matchups eluded them.

Read you! JDJ competent, maybe great! Alvarez-Golovkin and Kovalev-Ward if May-ggg hahaha didn't Boxing top shelf fights right now and THEN WE have the heavyweight div.
I'm not really big on Jennings either. You really believe in Ortiz does not hurt his cause. Parker I put in off Takam. Really I couldn't enter Ortiz off him winning vs Jennings. Jennings emerged only relatively recently. We see Klitschko soon became X-ch.
So, you think 12 months away he is on a slide then.
I'll keep looking at him, hey! Thank you!

Kalan wrote:If I were De La Hoya, I would have spent 200,000 on getting Oritz an English Tutor a couple years ago... He'd be speaking English well by now and he probably has a very good personality---but right now nobody cares about him... It's not enough for somebody to be a great fighter... Ortiz is probably one of the 3 or 4 best Heavyweight boxers of all time... but nobody will ever know it even though he looks real good right now... He'll never get a chance at a top fight... EVER!!! ... Not the way they're doing it with him.

Luis Ortiz thinks you should slow down.

clopixolacuphase wrote:Peter Fury in a recent interview listed Ortiz amongst the fighters he felt were in Tyson's radar should he beat Klitschko. He said: Wilder, Ortiz, Joshua. He also said Tyson would be around for years.

Tyson Fury has also been talking about Ortiz even before Ortiz beat Jennings, he was saying he was probably the best heavyweight nobody had ever heard of.

If Fury keeps winning, he'll fight him.

There are certain things fighters say to sound brave... Like Pacquiao was saying... "We're looking at Garcia, Bradley, Crawford, and Khan for our next fight." ... That was code for "I know we're expected to fight Crawford... but fk getting knocked out... we're fighting Bradley again."