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bigman1968 wrote:Yesterday, together with Povetkin-Stiverne purse bid, also Takam-Duhaupaas purse bid took place. Some French promoter won it for peanuts (~250k $).

So I wonder if Takam-Ortiz will really happen...

Well it's pretty unlikely unless he's gonna fight Duhaupas and Ortiz in a handicap match where they tag each other into the ring.

Saying that I think I'd be willing to pay to watch some tag team boxing even as a freak show one off

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/10/ ... or-nov-12?

Exclusive: Povetkin v Stiverne / Duhaupas v Takam WBC purse bids settled, Ortiz a no-go for Nov 12

The purse offer for the mandatory defense of WBC heavyweight silver champion Johann Duhaupas against Carlos Takam was also held today in New York. The winning promoter was OPI2000, Salvatore and Christian Cherchi, with a bid of $235,000 dollars.

The winning promoter was OPI2000, Salvatore and Christian Cherchi, with a bid of $235,000 dollars.

Despite reports of Luis Ortiz facing Takam on November 12 in Monaco, WBN have been assured this fight is not on the table.

"There is no Takam fight for Luis Ortiz because Johann Duhaupas is the silver champion and Takam's team just won the purse for the WBC silver so that fight happens now," Duhaupas manager Mehdi Ameur exclusively told World Boxing News.

"Ortiz will have to fight someone else in Monaco, I am sure of that," he added.

The WBA top 15 is hardly littered with potential mega-fights

Ortiz vs Haye would be great but can't see it happening. Parker won't fight him because he's focused on the IBF/WBO. After that, I don't know...Ustinov maybe?

Takam - Duhaupas is a better fight, IMO. Takam is a borderline top 10 heavyweight, despite the fact that I'm sure some people are losing faith in him due to recent losses (as though competitive losses to Povetkin and Parker somehow prove that you're nowhere near #10). Duhaupas is a fighter that might be top 15, and some people are starting to suspect that. I think this fight would really reveal a lot about both fighters, as well as that of Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, and Helenius.

Why is this only a 3 star *** fight?

Takam has a fine record. In his Povetkin loss all 3 judges had it even after 8 and many thought he beat Parker. I only watched highlights of Parker-Takam, so I can't comment on the decision.

Lackeos wrote:Takam - Duhaupas is a better fight, IMO. Takam is a borderline top 10 heavyweight, despite the fact that I'm sure some people are losing faith in him due to recent losses (as though competitive losses to Povetkin and Parker somehow prove that you're nowhere near #10). Duhaupas is a fighter that might be top 15, and some people are starting to suspect that. I think this fight would really reveal a lot about both fighters, as well as that of Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, and Helenius.

Why do you think it's a better fight? More evenly matched or you just don't rate Ortiz?

For the all-France bragging rights!

lefty wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Takam - Duhaupas is a better fight, IMO. Takam is a borderline top 10 heavyweight, despite the fact that I'm sure some people are losing faith in him due to recent losses (as though competitive losses to Povetkin and Parker somehow prove that you're nowhere near #10). Duhaupas is a fighter that might be top 15, and some people are starting to suspect that. I think this fight would really reveal a lot about both fighters, as well as that of Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, and Helenius.

Why do you think it's a better fight? More evenly matched or you just don't rate Ortiz?

Evenly-matched fights are way better. A fight between #10 and #12 is likely to be a competitive fight, awesome to watch, and it clarifies a lot about whether the fighters really are as close as we ranked them or if either of them was better / worse than we thought. A fight between #4 and #10 is likely to be a boring shutout that never offers any intrigue or entertainment value and ends-up telling us nothing that we didn't already know. If Ortiz beats Takam, it basically confirms that Ortiz belongs at least 6 slots above Takam, which we're already at least 99% certain of. Ortiz KO'd Jennings, and I had Jennings ranked above Takam prior to that fight; so I've pretty much got Ortiz to also beat anyone else that I had ranked below Jennings, like Takam, Stiverne, Chisora, Duhaupas, etc..

Similar example -- which is better between Danny Garcia vs Antonio Orozco or Antonio Orozco vs Jeff Horn? IMO, Garcia would crush Orozco in the most non-suspenseful fight of all time, telling us nothing about either fighter. But Orozco vs Horn would definitely give you your money's worth, it would propel someone into the clear top 10, and it would remove a lot of the uncertainty about where to rank these fighters.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:For the all-France bragging rights!

This is a good point, too. Takam - Duhaupas is probably the most lucrative all-French domestic fight that could possibly be made right now.

I heard it might be Eric Molina vs Ortiz.

Loki wrote:I heard it might be Eric Molina vs Ortiz.

It's worse Malik Scott. Good card from Matchroom though.

asdfjkl wrote:Takam is for me the nr 1 journeymen in the heavyweight division. For me this really is a 45/55 match, with Ortiz slightly having the edge. Takam his current boxrec rank is clearly lower as it should be in my personal heavyweight rankings.

Yeah I like Takam. A proper old school gatekeeper heavyweight.

lefty wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Takam - Duhaupas is a better fight, IMO. Takam is a borderline top 10 heavyweight, despite the fact that I'm sure some people are losing faith in him due to recent losses (as though competitive losses to Povetkin and Parker somehow prove that you're nowhere near #10). Duhaupas is a fighter that might be top 15, and some people are starting to suspect that. I think this fight would really reveal a lot about both fighters, as well as that of Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, and Helenius.

Why do you think it's a better fight? More evenly matched or you just don't rate Ortiz?

Takam-Duhaupas is a more competitively matched fight in my opinion, although I liked Takam-Ortiz too, and it was certainly better than Ortiz vs Malik 'Watch out for a faint breeze' Scott.

Overall this is a very nice card, with my favorite fight being Smith-Sosa.