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Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 20 Nov 2016, 22:17
by Ruthless-RKO
A close decision to either fighter would have been fine. Dan's card was fine. Lederman had it a bit too wide. Fact is we can all argue. Everyone has their own opinion. Fight has come and gone. It was NOT an easy fight to score. Let's see a rematch.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 20 Nov 2016, 22:33
by Blodhemn
Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 20 Nov 2016, 22:42
by gilgamesh
Freedom2013 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lets see how honest you are. can you admit that ward fought a clean fight?
HE DIDN'T.
He grappled, clinched, wrestled, held, and clamped Kovalev's arms. He tried to head butt too, but Sergey was ready for it. Ref should have told Ward to STOP HOLDING and fight.
Why are you such a big Ward fan? Most Brits don't like him because of his ugly style.
Ward fought a clean fight. Holding happens in every fight almost. I don't consider it dirty fighting. It's damn near unavoidable.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 20 Nov 2016, 22:51
by boxing_rocks
Yes, it was relatively clean. Kovalev was well aware about Ward's head and was using his arm pits to control it quite often
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 12:17
by SaadOffTheDeck
Freedom2013 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lets see how honest you are. can you admit that ward fought a clean fight?
HE DIDN'T.
He grappled, clinched, wrestled, held, and clamped Kovalev's arms. He tried to head butt too, but Sergey was ready for it. Ref should have told Ward to STOP HOLDING and fight.
Why are you such a big Ward fan? Most Brits don't like him because of his ugly style.
I'm not British and I was a kovalev fan before you were. Carry on with your racist lies from whatever hate bunker you post and obsess over Twitter all day from.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 12:28
by Ricky_
gilgamesh wrote:Freedom2013 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lets see how honest you are. can you admit that ward fought a clean fight?
HE DIDN'T.
He grappled, clinched, wrestled, held, and clamped Kovalev's arms. He tried to head butt too, but Sergey was ready for it. Ref should have told Ward to STOP HOLDING and fight.
Why are you such a big Ward fan? Most Brits don't like him because of his ugly style.
Ward fought a clean fight. Holding happens in every fight almost. I don't consider it dirty fighting. It's damn near unavoidable.
Ward even leg hooked Kovalev; not once... but twice, in among all the other shit he pulled. I remember Chad Dawson did something similar to Hopkins and he rolled around the canvas pretending his shoulder was dislocated. Maybe Kovalev should have took a dive, probably would have been a better bit than leaving to the 3 members of the old boys club sitting ringside.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 13:11
by Impractical Poster
I wouldn't say it was a super clean fight. It was cleaner than usual for Andre Ward, but still a bit too much initiating a clinch for me. But yes, cleaner than a Kessler performance for sure.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 13:15
by IKSRTFO
Blodhemn wrote:Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
No, there is a difference between saying someone won a close fight and being a robbery.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 14:38
by Blodhemn
IKSRTFO wrote: No, there is a difference between saying someone won a close fight and being a robbery.
Right. I'm just trying to figure out how someone can say a fight could/should be a win/draw for one opponent, but when other people say it, they're in need of glasses. Probably just got a shade wound up.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 15:46
by Freedom2013
boxing_rocks wrote:Yes, it was relatively clean. Kovalev was well aware about Ward's head and was using his arm pits to control it quite often
Yes. Ward tried to head butt many times, but Kovalev was expecting it.
And he clinched, clamped, held, wrestled and grappled like he always does. Robert Byrd let him do it without saying anything.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 16:17
by Tanzio
Blodhemn wrote:Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 17:22
by Freedom2013
Doug Fischer (from The Ring website)
I think we need to be outraged when judges play favorites. I don’t think it should be a problem when American judges are assigned to a fight between an American and foreign fighter. It shouldn’t have to come down to nationalities.
Boxing officials should be professional and fair regardless of where they are from. We just need better, more honorable judges.
Amen.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 17:46
by Tanzio
Freedom2013 wrote:Doug Fischer (from The Ring website)
I think we need to be outraged when judges play favorites. I don’t think it should be a problem when American judges are assigned to a fight between an American and foreign fighter. It shouldn’t have to come down to nationalities.
Boxing officials should be professional and fair regardless of where they are from. We just need better, more honorable judges.
". . . who will score fights the way I see them."
There have been many robberies in boxing. Hooker was the beneficiary of one Saturday night. Ward v Krusher was too close to be considered a robbery.
More importantly, the absolutely unwarranted criticism of Ward post fight is disgraceful. Furthermore, the degrading of Krusher's performance by those who simultaneously consider the decision a robbery is pathetically laughable.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 19:48
by boxing_rocks
Tanzio wrote:Blodhemn wrote:Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
No the draw wouldn't be appropriate. The judges gave all close rounds to Ward plus they gave him round 10 he clearly lost. Even if that one round is returned to Kovalev, he is the winner.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 21 Nov 2016, 21:55
by Tanzio
boxing_rocks wrote:Tanzio wrote:Blodhemn wrote:
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
No the draw wouldn't be appropriate. The judges gave all close rounds to Ward plus they gave him round 10 he clearly lost. Even if that one round is returned to Kovalev, he is the winner.
Krusher won 10 clearly based on what? A jab? It was a close round. The only opinions that matter saw it for Ward. I shaded it for Krusher based on a shot landed near the end of the round.
You can argue that Krusher won a close fight but there is absolutely no evidence of it being a robbery.
Your denigration of both fighters has been absolutely pathetic. It was a great fight, imo. It was a dramatic test of wills, gifts, and skills.
A rematch is warranted and in the contract. I look forward to it.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 02:18
by Blodhemn
Tanzio wrote:Blodhemn wrote:Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
My bad. It's your "troll" posts outnumbering your "real" posts to the point of them becoming one and the same.
As for the 10th round, is outboxing and outlanding good enough scoring criteria? I don't see how anyone could score that for Ward unless crowd noise generation beats all(which apparently it did).
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 16:11
by Freedom2013
Blodhemn wrote:As for the 10th round, is outboxing and outlanding good enough scoring criteria? I don't see how anyone could score that for Ward unless crowd noise generation beats all(which apparently it did).
Yes, Kovalev clearly won the 10th.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 18:59
by Tanzio
Blodhemn wrote:Tanzio wrote:Blodhemn wrote:
So you agree of Kovalev winning as a possibility, yet when someone else says it, they're wrong? Or are you simply disagreeing with the claim of robbery?
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
My bad. It's your "troll" posts outnumbering your "real" posts to the point of them becoming one and the same.
As for the 10th round, is outboxing and outlanding good enough scoring criteria? I don't see how anyone could score that for Ward unless crowd noise generation beats all(which apparently it did).
Wtf are you talking about? I have one account.
Round 10 was close but I scored it for Krusher. But, he did precious little more than Ward, with the exception of landing a late shot.
It was a very close round and a close fight. The judges got it right. Sometimes the majority is just plain wrong. That said, I would not have been carrying on like a violated orangutan if Krusher had won. Fact is I would have celebrated with all the Russians at my place who would have been deliriously ecstatic about it.
I wanted Krusher to stop SOGgy. But, I want Ward to ground Krusher into bloody hairball in the rematch, which he will likely accomplish
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 22 Nov 2016, 23:33
by Freedom2013
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 01:59
by Freedom2013
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 03:30
by Kalan
Tanzio wrote:thomasjkelley wrote:Enlightened-One wrote:
Stephen A. Smith only awarded two of the first six rounds of the Pacquiao-Vargas fight to Manny.
You are out of control! Everybody knows your fuсking opinion. You're like a Soros paid protestor, protesting democracy. You are on every thread proclaiming this was a good decision, trying to debunk others' opinions and you're even making threads proclaiming it's validity. You think you're going to sway anyone? Every Kovalev fan, 75% of neutral fans and half of Ward fans believe it was a robbery, you're рissing into the wind. Monumental effort on your part though.
The whining about a great, close fight is what is out of control.
The fight wasn't close unless you're blind... Fans are disgusted with the nationalism and corruption in Boxing... A commission doesn't assign 3 American judges, and an American referee, to a World Championship Fight on American soil, between an American and a Russian, where the Russian is the defending World Champion... That was a big fat red flag -- the deck was stacked.
What if Ward had to go to Russia and there were 3 Russian judges and an Russian referee -- what do you think the score would be???
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 13:29
by gilgamesh
I'd tell it to fight fans worldwide. Most of the time fouls like that people only bitch about if the guy they ain't rooting for is doing it. To me if it's not a big deal for one fighter, it's not a big deal for any fighter.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 14:35
by thomasjkelley
Tanzio wrote:I have no problem with opposing views. That doesn't make them any less wrong.
I watched it without distraction the second time. The talk of robbery by the judges is ludicrous, imo. Ward won that fight.
That said, in realtime, I would have had no problem with a draw or 114-113 Kovalev. After the second viewing, that is being very generous.
Ward is P4P # 1
I have stated clearly and repeatedly, including after scoring the fight 114-113 Ward and before the official announcement, that the fight could have gone either way and that a draw would be appropriate. I have zero problem with those who think that Krusher won a close fight. I have big problems with those who have designated the decision a robbery.
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. The eastern euro centric / breitbart.com crowd have gone into full squeal mode which is amusing. I enjoy poking squealing pigs with a stick.
Lol. You are so full of sнit. First, you're a Ward fanboy: wasn't it your opinion that Ward would school Kovalev? (I'm asking). Secondly, many people thought it was a robbery. I'm an American, I rooted for Ward, I picked Ward on every thread, on PTBF, and with the bookie. It has nothing to do with being White which is what you are saying with that comment. You shouldn't listen to everything CNN tells you. The alt-right isn't a danger to America and Breitbart is just another news service, there is nothing to be threatened by.
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 14:52
by crow
Tanzio wrote:Ward v Krusher was too close to be considered a robbery.
the degrading of Krusher's performance by those who simultaneously consider the decision a robbery is pathetically laughable.
Laughing is what everybody here does reading your pathetic posts in just about every thread.
Have some dignity.
You know what it means, right?
Re: Props to HONEST Americans Dan Rafael and Harold Lederman
Posted: 23 Nov 2016, 14:55
by Keko
You have to be blind to not see this fight as a close fight.
Everything else is more exaggeration.