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That would be Deontay "I'm scared of anybody in the Top 10" Wilder

Oh dear God. Someone made an "Unbiased Expert" account the day after Ward - Kovalev. Never gonna take this person seriously.

gilgamesh wrote:Wrong

That would be Deontay "I'm scared of anybody in the Top 10" Wilder

Even his last opponent was more credible than De Mori, Giygas, and Bellew.

Kalan wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
So you think that Haye will walk into the ring with Joshua thinking he's going to lose?

No, but it's the only top heavyweight I see him stepping inside a ring with. I see Joshua as the most winnable fight for Haye out of the top guys stylistically, even though I don't think Joshua is the worst fighter of the top guys.

Joshua should beat Haye very easily... But he'd kill Parker, the man is wide open as Takam proved... I think Haye-Wilder is 50/50... Haye-Ortiz is close but I'll take Ortiz... I think he beats an old Wladimir... Povetkin is a very close fight... Fury I don't think can happen based on his 2 pullouts.

If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

Killer Blow wrote:He will very likely retire after the Joshua fight win or lose, but he has a big ego so he'll go in to win.

So it's not a cashout fight at all then is it. Glad you cleared that up for me.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:He will very likely retire after the Joshua fight win or lose, but he has a big ego so he'll go in to win.

So it's not a cashout fight at all then is it. Glad you cleared that up for me.

Define cashout.

BitPlayer wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Wrong

That would be Deontay "I'm scared of anybody in the Top 10" Wilder

Even his last opponent was more credible than De Mori, Giygas, and Bellew.

Yeah, but Haye isn't claiming to be a "World Champion" and insisting on fighting guys below the Top 10 time and time again. He's just making money off of British fans who are still convinced he's one of the best Heavyweights and fighting non-threatening guys so that he can keep looking like it.

Killer Blow wrote:If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

David Haye is going to earn more money to face Tony Bellew than the paydays earned by the following fighters for their world title/challenger fights: Joseph Parker; Andy Ruiz Jr.; Anthony Joshua; Eric Molina; Deontay Wilder; Alexander Povetkin; Bermane Stiverne; Luis Ortiz.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

David Haye is going to earn more money to face Tony Bellew than the paydays earned by the following fighters for their world title/challenger fights: Joseph Parker; Andy Ruiz Jr.; Anthony Joshua; Eric Molina; Deontay Wilder; Alexander Povetkin; Bermane Stiverne; Luis Ortiz.

Not Haye's fault that Boxing fans and promoters see him as more valuable than he deserves to be. I don't blame him for taking the easy money.

Killer Blow wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:He will very likely retire after the Joshua fight win or lose, but he has a big ego so he'll go in to win.

So it's not a cashout fight at all then is it. Glad you cleared that up for me.

Define cashout.

I'm really interested to know what you define a cashout fight is. Care to enlighten us?

gilgamesh wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

David Haye is going to earn more money to face Tony Bellew than the paydays earned by the following fighters for their world title/challenger fights: Joseph Parker; Andy Ruiz Jr.; Anthony Joshua; Eric Molina; Deontay Wilder; Alexander Povetkin; Bermane Stiverne; Luis Ortiz.

Not Haye's fault that Boxing fans and promoters see him as more valuable than he deserves to be. I don't blame him for taking the easy money.

Agreed. And most of us would make the same decisions he does if we walked in his shoes.

I agree with a few bits of this on Haye but ive seen more of Haye doing Good things than Parker or Joshua.
Parker is limited and his defence is dire AJ is slow of foot and even Fury has better movement.
IMO both easy fights for Haye its only inactivity that has let him down.
As for him avoiding Briggs..... give me a break. I don't hate on AJ but he is untested and is very orthodox as in Frank Bruno style

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
So it's not a cashout fight at all then is it. Glad you cleared that up for me.

Define cashout.

I'm really interested to know what you define a cashout fight is. Care to enlighten us?

Either an unwinnable fight that's big money (e. g. Khan/Canelo, Brook/GGG) or one big final payday to go out on, which Joshua/Haye would be.

Kalan wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
So you think that Haye will walk into the ring with Joshua thinking he's going to lose?

No, but it's the only top heavyweight I see him stepping inside a ring with. I see Joshua as the most winnable fight for Haye out of the top guys stylistically, even though I don't think Joshua is the worst fighter of the top guys.

Joshua should beat Haye very easily... But he'd kill Parker, the man is wide open as Takam proved... I think Haye-Wilder is 50/50... Haye-Ortiz is close but I'll take Ortiz... I think he beats an old Wladimir... Povetkin is a very close fight... Fury I don't think can happen based on his 2 pullouts.

Takam would beat Daffy easely as well.

Enlightened-One wrote: I don’t think that David Haye is a joke… and here are my reasons why…


More than 2½m people watched the Haymakers second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at The O2 Arena.

Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I don’t think that David Haye is a joke… and here are my reasons why…


More than 2½m people watched the Haymakers second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at The O2 Arena.

Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is dumb! Can anyone else educate this man on the absurd nature of his claim?

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I don’t think that David Haye is a joke… and here are my reasons why…


More than 2½m people watched the Haymakers second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at The O2 Arena.

Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is dumb! Can anyone else educate this man on the absurd nature of his claim?

Let's watch the worm vs Daffy! Right, that's what people brings to the Arena...

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is dumb! Can anyone else educate this man on the absurd nature of his claim?

Let's watch the worm vs Daffy! Right, that's what people brings to the Arena...

I feel a little bit embarrassed for you about the silly claim you've made. It's utterly comical!

Killer Blow wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:
No, but it's the only top heavyweight I see him stepping inside a ring with. I see Joshua as the most winnable fight for Haye out of the top guys stylistically, even though I don't think Joshua is the worst fighter of the top guys.

Joshua should beat Haye very easily... But he'd kill Parker, the man is wide open as Takam proved... I think Haye-Wilder is 50/50... Haye-Ortiz is close but I'll take Ortiz... I think he beats an old Wladimir... Povetkin is a very close fight... Fury I don't think can happen based on his 2 pullouts.

If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

Haye should be VERY confident of beating Parker.. I know Joshua would smash Parker.. Let's see how much trouble fat tub Ruiz gives Parker -- why did Parker duck Joshua and select that little chubby guy to fight in New Zealand??? ... I give Ruiz a 30% shot at upsetting the hittable Parker... Parker is another George Foreman. A big, tall, strong, strapping, tough guy.. a big power jab.. powerful puncher.. gets jabbed in the face at lot.. gets popped with right hands.. and doesn't box that well.. He thinks Ruiz will wade in, be available, and he'll take him out quickly.. We'll see what happens

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is dumb! Can anyone else educate this man on the absurd nature of his claim?

Let's watch the worm vs Daffy! Right, that's what people brings to the Arena...

I feel a little bit embarrassed for you about the silly claim you've made. It's utterly comical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDY1H2zp_c

Briggs his fight got about 1,5 times as many views, despite all the media that support Daffy.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Let's watch the worm vs Daffy! Right, that's what people brings to the Arena...

I feel a little bit embarrassed for you about the silly claim you've made. It's utterly comical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDY1H2zp_c

Briggs his fight got about 1,5 times as many views, despite all the media that support Daffy.

Let me spell it out to you in baby language, to help you comprehend some rather simple facts…

More than 2½m British people tuned into British TV network, Dave, to watch a British fighter, David Haye, second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at a British venue, The O2 Arena.

The same British fighter, David Haye, sold out the very same British venue, The O2, for his previous fight, which attracted 3m British viewers from the very same British TV network, Dave, on a fight card that did not include Shannon Briggs.

British people support British fighters and the general public in Britain do not know who the American fighter Shannon Briggs is.

In stark contrast, the British fighter, David Haye, has headlined several PPV's televised by the British Sky Sports network. The same British fighter will also headline another British PPV event in his next bout against an opponent that has never headlined a PPV.

Please try and debate these points with someone else from this forum from Britain, because they'll provide the very same explanation that I have given you.

To pretend that Shannon Briggs was the main reason why 2½m British people watched (British fighter) David Haye's bout against Arnold Gjergjaj on the British TV network, Dave, in front of a packed out British arena, is completely bonkers!

I really can’t believe that you made the following claim and even made a concerted effort to back it up:

asdfjkl wrote:Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I feel a little bit embarrassed for you about the silly claim you've made. It's utterly comical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDY1H2zp_c

Briggs his fight got about 1,5 times as many views, despite all the media that support Daffy.

Let me spell it out to you in baby language, to help you comprehend some rather simple facts…

More than 2½m British people tuned into British TV network, Dave, to watch a British fighter, David Haye, second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at a British venue, The O2 Arena.

The same British fighter, David Haye, sold out the very same British venue, The O2, for his previous fight, which attracted 3m British viewers from the very same British TV network, Dave, on a fight card that did not include Shannon Briggs.

British people support British fighters and the general public in Britain do not know who the American fighter Shannon Briggs is.

In stark contrast, the British fighter, David Haye, has headlined several PPV's televised by the British Sky Sports network. The same British fighter will also headline another British PPV event in his next bout against an opponent that has never headlined a PPV.

Please try and debate these points with someone else from this forum from Britain, because they'll provide the very same explanation that I have given you.

To pretend that Shannon Briggs was the main reason why 2½m British people watched (British fighter) David Haye's bout against Arnold Gjergjaj on the British TV network, Dave, in front of a packed out British arena, is completely bonkers!

I really can’t believe that you made the following claim and even made a concerted effort to back it up:

asdfjkl wrote:Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

Tony Bellew has headlined a PPV before.

MattCoke wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDY1H2zp_c

Briggs his fight got about 1,5 times as many views, despite all the media that support Daffy.

Let me spell it out to you in baby language, to help you comprehend some rather simple facts…

More than 2½m British people tuned into British TV network, Dave, to watch a British fighter, David Haye, second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at a British venue, The O2 Arena.

The same British fighter, David Haye, sold out the very same British venue, The O2, for his previous fight, which attracted 3m British viewers from the very same British TV network, Dave, on a fight card that did not include Shannon Briggs.

British people support British fighters and the general public in Britain do not know who the American fighter Shannon Briggs is.

In stark contrast, the British fighter, David Haye, has headlined several PPV's televised by the British Sky Sports network. The same British fighter will also headline another British PPV event in his next bout against an opponent that has never headlined a PPV.

Please try and debate these points with someone else from this forum from Britain, because they'll provide the very same explanation that I have given you.

To pretend that Shannon Briggs was the main reason why 2½m British people watched (British fighter) David Haye's bout against Arnold Gjergjaj on the British TV network, Dave, in front of a packed out British arena, is completely bonkers!

I really can’t believe that you made the following claim and even made a concerted effort to back it up:

asdfjkl wrote:Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

Tony Bellew has headlined a PPV before.

You're right, he did against Nathan Cleverly, but it has no bearing whatsoever on the point I made though.

Kalan wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Joshua should beat Haye very easily... But he'd kill Parker, the man is wide open as Takam proved... I think Haye-Wilder is 50/50... Haye-Ortiz is close but I'll take Ortiz... I think he beats an old Wladimir... Povetkin is a very close fight... Fury I don't think can happen based on his 2 pullouts.

If Haye was so confident of beating Parker he wouldn't be fighting a guy that's unranked at heavyweight instead of taking a guaranteed title shot.

Haye should be VERY confident of beating Parker.. I know Joshua would smash Parker.. Let's see how much trouble fat tub Ruiz gives Parker -- why did Parker duck Joshua and select that little chubby guy to fight in New Zealand??? ... I give Ruiz a 30% shot at upsetting the hittable Parker... Parker is another George Foreman. A big, tall, strong, strapping, tough guy.. a big power jab.. powerful puncher.. gets jabbed in the face at lot.. gets popped with right hands.. and doesn't box that well.. He thinks Ruiz will wade in, be available, and he'll take him out quickly.. We'll see what happens

Another George Foreman!! Don't you think that's a little over the top?

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I feel a little bit embarrassed for you about the silly claim you've made. It's utterly comical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl1aHItrVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDY1H2zp_c

Briggs his fight got about 1,5 times as many views, despite all the media that support Daffy.

Let me spell it out to you in baby language, to help you comprehend some rather simple facts…

More than 2½m British people tuned into British TV network, Dave, to watch a British fighter, David Haye, second comeback bout against Arnold Gjergjaj, which was staged in front of a sell-out 16,000 crowd at a British venue, The O2 Arena.

The same British fighter, David Haye, sold out the very same British venue, The O2, for his previous fight, which attracted 3m British viewers from the very same British TV network, Dave, on a fight card that did not include Shannon Briggs.

British people support British fighters and the general public in Britain do not know who the American fighter Shannon Briggs is.

In stark contrast, the British fighter, David Haye, has headlined several PPV's televised by the British Sky Sports network. The same British fighter will also headline another British PPV event in his next bout against an opponent that has never headlined a PPV.

Please try and debate these points with someone else from this forum from Britain, because they'll provide the very same explanation that I have given you.

To pretend that Shannon Briggs was the main reason why 2½m British people watched (British fighter) David Haye's bout against Arnold Gjergjaj on the British TV network, Dave, in front of a packed out British arena, is completely bonkers!

I really can’t believe that you made the following claim and even made a concerted effort to back it up:

asdfjkl wrote:Hold on, there were other fights in that ring there, Briggs his fight was far more interesting and most likely the main reason people watched.

You can't fake this stupidity, you really don't have a clue how popular Briggs is in the UK do you?