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I had my doubts about Loma. But not anymore. He may very well be the best fighter I have ever witnessed in my time watching fights. I picked Walters. And for Loma to completely dominate Walters in every way and make him quit is simply outstanding. He is the best fighter on the planet right now.

It sucks in a way as can't think of any fighter who can make a competitive fight with Loma.

caldo2025 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That's right, we just saw the best fighter in the world...better than Triple G, better than Ward, better than Gonzalez, better than Rigondull...better than anyone else. He just took apart a very dangerous fighter and made it look easy.

Ridiculous. The guy's had 8 fights and he's already got a loss on his record. You people make me laugh. He legitimately got beaten by an older boxer in Salido but you all just want to rush to crown him because he beat a fighter last night that has been idle for over a year and has ZERO heart.

GGG is undefeated and no one can even make it to the final bell but you wan to award it to this punk who's gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter. He gets 3 title fights handed to him in his first 7 fights. Go screw, the lot of you. You are all ridiculous.

Lol why so butthurt bro? Gettin a little emotional there partner, take a cold dip or something.

Fwiw I wouldn't have Lomachenko ahead of GGG just yet, and I'm not sure he wont suffer the exact same problem GGG has with a lack of credible dance partners.

davie wrote:

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I have him #2 behind only Chocolatito, but if you wanted to put him #1 I could see it.

choco doesnt have teh skills or the physic as loma, he is totaly inferior to him

Better than Rigo?

Lomachenko has a much more versatile style in my opinion

caldo2025 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That's right, we just saw the best fighter in the world...better than Triple G, better than Ward, better than Gonzalez, better than Rigondull...better than anyone else. He just took apart a very dangerous fighter and made it look easy.

Ridiculous. The guy's had 8 fights and he's already got a loss on his record. You people make me laugh. He legitimately got beaten by an older boxer in Salido but you all just want to rush to crown him because he beat a fighter last night that has been idle for over a year and has ZERO heart.

GGG is undefeated and no one can even make it to the final bell but you wan to award it to this punk who's gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter. He gets 3 title fights handed to him in his first 7 fights. Go screw, the lot of you. You are all ridiculous.

While I completely disagree with you calling Loma a punk, I do agree that he has been given a ridiculous level of special treatment and that he in no way should at the top tier of p4p. Loma's main claims to fame are a close loss to a long in the tooth version of Salido, an impressive win over the toy tyrannosaurus Russell jr and this W over a heartless warrior who left his ax in a weight class south.

3G has a far superior resume'. While it is not stellar, he has fought competition that posed real danger. Loma has not done that. Russell jr is an ok notch but Walters must be classed as an opponent who showed face to collect his check. The only blood and guts warrior that he has faced defeated him.

let the cries of robbery resume.

Loma looks to be the real deal but he has been coddled from day one.

Forget GGG, if you're talking resume Lomachenko has about 3 years to go before he matches Chocalatito's roster.

ginty wrote:

MaxiBoxc wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Lomachenko is clearly in the top 5 P4P.

And he's more talented than the other four in the top 5. Walters is a very good fighter, and Loma made him look like an unskilled brawler.

So true.
I think new era in boxing will be called by his name.

I wonder if we get a new era in boxing styles as in lots of fighters tried to copy Floyd's shoulder roll will young boxers try to fight like lomochenko with the spins to the side

It's alredy happening. Vasyl is the best creation of own father. But there is other fighters which were trained by Anatoliy Lomachenko and which can use some of the Loma's tricks. Olexandr Usyk (10-0) has the similar style, Ievgen Khytrov (14-0) likes slap down the opponents guard, Denys Berinchyk (5-0) often used sidesteps in his pro-fights.
Also Oleksandr Gvozdyk (12-0), Ivan Golub (13-0), Taras Shelestyuk (15-0) were trained by Vasyl's father... may be I forgot about someone.

Era of Lomachenko school was already begun at pros

However I am a card-carrying Chocalatito nuthugger so, whatever.

Counter-puncher wrote:

davie wrote:

Jip wrote:

choco doesnt have teh skills or the physic as loma, he is totaly inferior to him

Better than Rigo?

Lomachenko has a much more versatile style in my opinion

Agree. Vasyl is more various and spectacular.

It's quite evident by looking at him now why he is considered one of the greatest amateur fighters ever. I hold Walters in extremely high regard.

And lol at the idea lomachenko is introducing fucken sidesteps and spinoffs to the pro game.

He's putting a few things together in a way you don't seem to see often, but ffs lets not act like technically-speaking hes fucken reinventing the boxing wheel here fellas. You try to exit at angles, who TF hasn't known that for years?!

Counter-puncher wrote:And lol at the idea lomachenko is introducing fucken sidesteps and spinoffs to the pro game.

He's putting a few things together in a way you don't seem to see often, but ffs lets not act like technically-speaking hes fucken reinventing the boxing wheel here fellas. You try to exit at angles, who TF hasn't known that for years?!

Who is saying that? But his execution of perfect technical prowess is not at a level I have witnessed before. And I have been following the sport for a while now.

Impractical Poster wrote:I had my doubts about Loma. But not anymore. He may very well be the best fighter I have ever witnessed in my time watching fights. I picked Walters. And for Loma to completely dominate Walters in every way and make him quit is simply outstanding. He is the best fighter on the planet right now.

It sucks in a way as can't think of any fighter who can make a competitive fight with Loma.

Welcome to the club of Loma-addicts

MaxiBoxc wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I had my doubts about Loma. But not anymore. He may very well be the best fighter I have ever witnessed in my time watching fights. I picked Walters. And for Loma to completely dominate Walters in every way and make him quit is simply outstanding. He is the best fighter on the planet right now.

It sucks in a way as can't think of any fighter who can make a competitive fight with Loma.

Welcome to the club of Loma-addicts

I wouldn't consider myself that. I just realize what a talent he is.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:And lol at the idea lomachenko is introducing fucken sidesteps and spinoffs to the pro game.

He's putting a few things together in a way you don't seem to see often, but ffs lets not act like technically-speaking hes fucken reinventing the boxing wheel here fellas. You try to exit at angles, who TF hasn't known that for years?!

Who is saying that? But his execution of perfect technical prowess is not at a level I have witnessed before. And I have been following the sport for a while now.

Hes performing the basics with unerring consistency and precision, sure, but I'm hearing people talk, like, "oh, what *witchcraft* is this?". You've literally seen nobody with his technical prowess, ever? Not Floyd or Whitaker?

Counter-puncher wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:And lol at the idea lomachenko is introducing fucken sidesteps and spinoffs to the pro game.

He's putting a few things together in a way you don't seem to see often, but ffs lets not act like technically-speaking hes fucken reinventing the boxing wheel here fellas. You try to exit at angles, who TF hasn't known that for years?!

Who is saying that? But his execution of perfect technical prowess is not at a level I have witnessed before. And I have been following the sport for a while now.

Hes performing the basics with unerring consistency and precision, sure, but I'm hearing people talk, like, "oh, what *witchcraft* is this?". You've literally seen nobody with his technical prowess, ever? Not Floyd or Whitaker?

Not executed at this level. Floyd and Sweet Pea were special, however they did not mix offense and defense in quite the same manner as Loma has been displaying.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:And lol at the idea lomachenko is introducing fucken sidesteps and spinoffs to the pro game.

He's putting a few things together in a way you don't seem to see often, but ffs lets not act like technically-speaking hes fucken reinventing the boxing wheel here fellas. You try to exit at angles, who TF hasn't known that for years?!

Who is saying that? But his execution of perfect technical prowess is not at a level I have witnessed before. And I have been following the sport for a while now.

Hes performing the basics with unerring consistency and precision, sure, but I'm hearing people talk, like, "oh, what *witchcraft* is this?". You've literally seen nobody with his technical prowess, ever? Not Floyd or Whitaker?

The HBO's team's relay blowjob of Loma was absolutely disgusting last night. Comparing him favorably to Sweet Pea at this time is a bridge too far.

I would love to see the here and now Loma in with the JCC that Sweet Pea essentially whitewashed. No, Lomachenko is not there yet, and FMJ at 130 would take this Loma to the deep end and drown him.

That is not meant to disrespect Loma but let's have some perspective here people.

Impractical Poster wrote:

MaxiBoxc wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I had my doubts about Loma. But not anymore. He may very well be the best fighter I have ever witnessed in my time watching fights. I picked Walters. And for Loma to completely dominate Walters in every way and make him quit is simply outstanding. He is the best fighter on the planet right now.

It sucks in a way as can't think of any fighter who can make a competitive fight with Loma.

Welcome to the club of Loma-addicts

I wouldn't consider myself that. I just realize what a talent he is.

Lucky man!)))
But I can't wait his next fight, because his style makes me crazy. I think what Lomachenko do is a real boxing art. The art which is effective and spectacular at the same time.

caldo2025 wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:That's right, we just saw the best fighter in the world...better than Triple G, better than Ward, better than Gonzalez, better than Rigondull...better than anyone else. He just took apart a very dangerous fighter and made it look easy.

Ridiculous. The guy's had 8 fights and he's already got a loss on his record. You people make me laugh. He legitimately got beaten by an older boxer in Salido but you all just want to rush to crown him because he beat a fighter last night that has been idle for over a year and has ZERO heart.

GGG is undefeated and no one can even make it to the final bell but you wan to award it to this punk who's gotten everything handed to him on a silver platter. He gets 3 title fights handed to him in his first 7 fights. Go screw, the lot of you. You are all ridiculous.

Yes Vasyl lost his 2nd fight on a close 12 round decision against a world champion who came in overweight and fouled throughout.

As a comparison Floyd Mayweather fought one Reggie Sanders (1-1) and won a 4 round decision. In his 8th fight Floyd also won a 6 round decision against another journeyman non entity.

Lomachenko is an outstanding talent, but no aged fight fan is going to take stuff like "he's the greatest of all time!" seriously at this stage of his career. All it does is serve to build up unneeded and unnecessary antipathy towards the stuff he has done, which while very good (and it is!) is not HOF worthy as of yet. The most friendly review of his career seems him as actually 13-1 as a pro (which I personally believe) with some solid wins like Russell Jr. and Walters. He's not quite Floyd Mayweather Jr. yet, though I suppose you could make the argument that last night's fight was kinda the spiritual successor to the Corrales dismantling (I'd disagree but whatever).

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I have him #2 behind only Chocolatito, but if you wanted to put him #1 I could see it.

choco doesnt have teh skills or the physic as loma, he is totaly inferior to him

He's got a superior resume for the time being. I do think Loma will surpass him, but for now I have to give the edge Chocolatito's superior accomplishments.

Counter-puncher wrote:

davie wrote:

Jip wrote:

choco doesnt have teh skills or the physic as loma, he is totaly inferior to him

Better than Rigo?

Lomachenko has a much more versatile style in my opinion

I don't think Lomachenko would have all that much trouble with Rigo personally. Rigo doesn't punch enough. He relies on being faster and slicker than the guys he fights and shutting them down. He isn't faster and slicker than Loma, and he'd get outworked.

gilgamesh wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

davie wrote:

Better than Rigo?

Lomachenko has a much more versatile style in my opinion

I don't think Lomachenko would have all that much trouble with Rigo personally. Rigo doesn't punch enough. He relies on being faster and slicker than the guys he fights and shutting them down. He isn't faster and slicker than Loma, and he'd get outworked.

I think the blend of styles would have been intriguing.
It won't happen now with Loma climbing the weight classes.
But Loma on the front foot forcing the pace and Rigo cycling away from it, trying to disrupt the tempo would have made for a fascinating chess match
I'd favour Loma but wouldn't write off Rigo frustrating him and nicking a decision

Max Kellerman is right here. Loma is pretty damn great.

I don't see how Lomachenko has been coddled, read the names on his short resume. How the hell is that coddled? Or that ridiculous cheat in every way possible scumbag Salido fight, which that rat should have been disqualified, mean anything? Look at every great's resume at the same point. Doesn't even compare. Loma is on his way to being a star. The mythical pound for pound list talk is cute but it's al opinions nothing concrete. Anyone can see this guy is the real deal, so bring on the names and he'll keep mowing them down. Until they get too big, only way he's losing.

The way I see it is there is no true P4P #1 at the moment since Mayweather left. Lomachenko is top ten, maybe top 5,,P4P number 1 is a bit of a stretch.

P4P #1 Vacant
Contenders
R.Gonzalez
GGG
Canelo
Lomachenko
Crawford
Pacquiao
Ward