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Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 07:08**

boxing_rocks wrote:That going back and rescoring is such a bunch of crap -- one only does that to prove that he was right the first time.

No, what is a bunch of crap is people like you, who didn't bother to watch the fight closely at all the first time, covering your eyes and ears and screaming over and over like a croward, "KRUSHER WAS ROBBED!!!"

Don't go back and watch the fight objectively, box of rocks, your fragile fantasy would be shattered.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 07:12**

boxing_rocks wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:Why can’t people learn to step away from this subject matter until the inevitable rematch is announced? The discussion around this topic has been exhausted.

I get it… about 63% of the media (54 from 86 scorecards) believed that Kovalev deserved to gain the nod over Ward. It was a competitive fight, but no robbery.

Sergey will receive an opportunity, as per his immediate rematch clause, to avenge his sole defeat… and if he is genuinely a better fighter than Andre, then he’ll win that bout.

I think four weeks of constantly labouring over this fight is more than enough, because people are now repeating themselves, which is incredibly tedious.
No, we will not step away from this subject as long as people like you keep repeating that it wasn't a robbery. Yes, it was a clear deliberate robbery.

Also, there is nothing inevitable in the rematch.

Wrong, but you are "a clear and deliberate" clown who admittedly refuses to go back and rewatch the fight, croward II.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 07:22**

caldo2025 wrote:
crow wrote:Right now, Ward is between a rock and a hard place; if he rematches Kovalev, he gets a bigger beating and likely possibly stopped.

He can't avoid the rematch and continue in boxing, because nobody goes relinquishing 3 belts to avoid a fighter he allegedly beat.

He can't ask for more money, or modify his share because he agreed to it all before the first fight.

If he relinquishes, that will be a tacit admission of having lost, and he will prove right 80% of boxing experts who saw it that way.

Either way, he's toast.

Isn't life wonderful??
Did anyone REALLY think that Ward would honor that rematch clause? As soon as I heard it, I knew that it would never happen ESPECIALLY if Ward won. The worst part is that not only is there a binding rematch clause but most of the world feels that Ward was undeserving of the win and it was a bad decision. You can't find two bigger reasons for rematches to be made.

But Ward is a punk and I knew that he would put that sketchy victory in his pocket and never repay Kovalev for giving him his shot. So here's how this is going to go. Andre Ward is going to retire and give up the belts to avoid the fight. Kovalev will book another fight or two and then Ward is going to have this huge change of heart and get back in the ring again versus someone else. These two will never fight again. I hope Ward hears it from fans wherever he goes because there's no honor in the way he conducts himself within the sport.

Back to the same old tired sh!t, eh Caldo? Immediately leap to calling a professional fighter, who actually gets into the ring with fighters like Krusher, a punk and make grandiose Nostradumbass predictions that you will never acknowledge were crap when they turn out to be, well, crap.

If Ward retires for real more power to him. He has a beautiful family and he is skilled and gifted in more than just professional boxing. If he does return in short order and it was all a charade I will eviscerate him for it.

If he retires for good, or actually chooses to give Krusher his rematch, will you admit that you are just another Nostradumbass?

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 07:35**

Tanzio wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
crow wrote:Right now, Ward is between a rock and a hard place; if he rematches Kovalev, he gets a bigger beating and likely possibly stopped.

He can't avoid the rematch and continue in boxing, because nobody goes relinquishing 3 belts to avoid a fighter he allegedly beat.

He can't ask for more money, or modify his share because he agreed to it all before the first fight.

If he relinquishes, that will be a tacit admission of having lost, and he will prove right 80% of boxing experts who saw it that way.

Either way, he's toast.

Isn't life wonderful??
Did anyone REALLY think that Ward would honor that rematch clause? As soon as I heard it, I knew that it would never happen ESPECIALLY if Ward won. The worst part is that not only is there a binding rematch clause but most of the world feels that Ward was undeserving of the win and it was a bad decision. You can't find two bigger reasons for rematches to be made.

But Ward is a punk and I knew that he would put that sketchy victory in his pocket and never repay Kovalev for giving him his shot. So here's how this is going to go. Andre Ward is going to retire and give up the belts to avoid the fight. Kovalev will book another fight or two and then Ward is going to have this huge change of heart and get back in the ring again versus someone else. These two will never fight again. I hope Ward hears it from fans wherever he goes because there's no honor in the way he conducts himself within the sport.
Back to the same old tired sh!t, eh Caldo? Immediately leap to calling a professional fighter, who actually gets into the ring with fighters like Krusher, a punk and make grandiose Nostradumbass predictions that you will never acknowledge were crap when they turn out to be, well, crap.

If Ward retires for real more power to him. He has a beautiful family and he is skilled and gifted in more than just professional boxing. If he does return in short order and it was all a charade I will eviscerate him for it.

If he retires for good, or actually chooses to give Krusher his rematch, will you admit that you are just another Nostradumbass?

Again Tanzio, you've got me confused with someone who can't admit when he's wrong. I can make you late for work reading my list of Nostradumbass opinions i've had. But this one, i'll take the Pepsi Challenge on this one any day of the week. So here's my proposition for you, Tanzio. Gentleman's bet here. I bet you that Andre Ward will get in the ring again eventually but it won't be against Kovalev. Ward will find a way to avoid it completely in Andre Ward fashion.

You certainly give a lot of love to a guy that doesn't have the integrity to honor contracts but fully expects the other party to. That's the definition of a scumbag where i come from. I couldn't give a shat about his family...everyone has a family, that's no big accomplishment. My buddy D has a family and he can barely spell his name.

No, in the world of MEN...you are measured on integrity and Andre Ward has proven on many occasions that he has no concept of it. It's this typical American Boxer mentality nowadays of entitlement and do as i say not as I do. The fact that it doesn't bother you says a lot about your character actually. Sorry, truth.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 07:51**

caldo2025 wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
Did anyone REALLY think that Ward would honor that rematch clause? As soon as I heard it, I knew that it would never happen ESPECIALLY if Ward won. The worst part is that not only is there a binding rematch clause but most of the world feels that Ward was undeserving of the win and it was a bad decision. You can't find two bigger reasons for rematches to be made.

But Ward is a punk and I knew that he would put that sketchy victory in his pocket and never repay Kovalev for giving him his shot. So here's how this is going to go. Andre Ward is going to retire and give up the belts to avoid the fight. Kovalev will book another fight or two and then Ward is going to have this huge change of heart and get back in the ring again versus someone else. These two will never fight again. I hope Ward hears it from fans wherever he goes because there's no honor in the way he conducts himself within the sport.
Back to the same old tired sh!t, eh Caldo? Immediately leap to calling a professional fighter, who actually gets into the ring with fighters like Krusher, a punk and make grandiose Nostradumbass predictions that you will never acknowledge were crap when they turn out to be, well, crap.

If Ward retires for real more power to him. He has a beautiful family and he is skilled and gifted in more than just professional boxing. If he does return in short order and it was all a charade I will eviscerate him for it.

If he retires for good, or actually chooses to give Krusher his rematch, will you admit that you are just another Nostradumbass?
Again Tanzio, you've got me confused with someone who can't admit when he's wrong. I can make you late for work reading my list of Nostradumbass opinions i've had. But this one, i'll take the Pepsi Challenge on this one any day of the week. So here's my proposition for you, Tanzio. Gentleman's bet here. I bet you that Andre Ward will get in the ring again eventually but it won't be against Kovalev. Ward will find a way to avoid it completely in Andre Ward fashion.

You certainly give a lot of love to a guy that doesn't have the integrity to honor contracts but fully expects the other party to. That's the definition of a scumbag where i come from. I couldn't give a shat about his family...everyone has a family, that's no big accomplishment. My buddy D has a family and he can barely spell his name.

No, in the world of MEN...you are measured on integrity and Andre Ward has proven on many occasions that he has no concept of it. It's this typical American Boxer mentality nowadays of entitlement and do as i say not as I do. The fact that it doesn't bother you says a lot about your character actually. Sorry, truth.

I was among Ward's biggest and most consistent critics for years. I have no problem criticizing him again when it is warranted. Nothing that he has done so far warrants it.

Contract law is settled in court. I have relatively deep experience in contract law and the gray areas that can be and are found in agreements. I have battled three contract cases in court in 2016 and executed a restraining order against a managing partner who according to contract would be the operator of one of my companies when / if he is released from jail for destruction of property (the company's). I am preparing the case to remove him from his position and his interest in the company.

You have no fvcking clue what the details of the contract disputes that Ward fought in court are, do you?

Making a family is easy. Taking full responsibility for your family and raising your children to be productive members of society is not as easy. Ward has options. He can retire and pursue his side job as a commentator. He could start other businesses.

Ward is simply negotiating his way through life. Let's see where his negotiating takes him before we condemn him for it.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:30**

Tanzio wrote:Ward has no options. He can't retire and pursue his side job as a commentator.

Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:31**

crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Ward has no options. He can't retire and pursue his side job as a commentator.
Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

didn't do leonard any harm

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:38**

The supreme irony of the situation is that, 4 years ago, it was Ward who advised Bradley to give back the belt he was gifted vs Pac, saying " If it was me personally, I would admit defeat and say, 'Here's your belt back.'"

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Oa ... 628083.php

Now i can't wait for Bradley to text him back, ha ha.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:41**

crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Ward has no options. He can't retire and pursue his side job as a commentator.
Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Croward sticking his head out of his hole for more unintelligible cawing.

Ward has many options, croward. He is excellent at commentating, he has enough money to start any number of small businesses. He does not really care what we think.

If he has viable options other than risking his health for a living, he would be a fool for not at least considering them.

Resume cawing, croward.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:42**

crow wrote:The supreme irony of the situation is that, 4 years ago, it was Ward who advised Bradley to give back the belt he was gifted vs Pac, saying " If it was me personally, I would admit defeat and say, 'Here's your belt back.'"

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Oa ... 628083.php

Now i can't wait for Bradley to text him back, ha ha.

He was wrong then, but you were wrong both times.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 09:55**

Tanzidiot "my opinion is golden"

The laughing stock of boxrec forum.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 10:26**

crow wrote:Tanzidiot "my opinion is golden"

The laughing stock of boxrec forum.

I have an opinion, croward. You simply fly with the flock, cawing and cawing.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 12:31**

Tanzio wrote: I have an opinion, croward. You simply fly with the flock, cawing and cawing.

Dear Tanzidiot,
The "flock", as you wrote, happens to be just about every reputable boxing expert in the business.
As you imagine, i like my company a lot.

Your flock, on the contrary....

Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
Bart Barry, spam.com: 116-115 Bradley
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
BoxingSocialist.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Bunce, allegedly.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, BS.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com:116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Marc Livitz, SecondsOut.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, The Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terry Dooley, BS.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Danny Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
David Greisman, BS.com: 7-111 Pacquiao
Tommy Gunn, spam.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
Thomas Hauser, HBO/TheSweetScience.com:115-114
Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Phil Jay, WorldBoxingNews.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley
Amir Khan, Primetime: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Koppinger, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Lillis, allegedly: 118-111 Pacquiao
Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 118-112 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Graham Parker, The Guardian: 117-111 Pacquiao
Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, BS.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Russell, former trainer of Buster Douglas: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, BS.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
Ronnie Shields: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, spam.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Nick Xouris, spam.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw.
None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media.
Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 12:48**

littlepug wrote:
crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Ward has no options. He can't retire and pursue his side job as a commentator.
Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
didn't do leonard any harm

There was no rematch clause.
Even prima dona Leonard wouldn't have dared to walk out of a rematch clause; that would have destroyed his reputation forever after such a close fight.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 12:57**

Enlightened-One wrote: I get it… about 63% of the media (54 from 86 scorecards) believed that Kovalev deserved to gain the nod over Ward. It was a competitive fight, but no robbery.

http://talkingboxing.co.uk/we-go-to-the ... lev-v-ward

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW = 2%

Shaun Brown (TalkingBoxing.uk): 115-112 Kovalev
Harold Lederman (HBO): 116-111 Kovalev
Chris Mannix (Yahoo Sports): 115-112 Kovalev
Boxhard Podcast: 115-113 Kovalev
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 115-112 Kovalev
Andy Paterson (Boxing Asylum): 114-113 Kovalev
Cliff Rold (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing): 114-113 Kovalev
WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
Lance Pugmire (LA Times): 115-112 Kovalev
Ryan Burton (BS): 115-113 Kovalev
Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sports): 114-113 Ward
Daniel Attias (AUSboxing) : 114-113 Kovalev
Victor M Salazar (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Scott Christ (BadLeftHook): 115-112 Kovalev
Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
Beau Denison (The Boxing Truth): 114-113 Kovalev
Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 115-112 Kovalev
Boxing Monthly Online: 114-113 Kovalev
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report): 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Zemach ( FoxSports640): 115-112 Kovalev
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes): 115-113 Kovalev
Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing): 116-111 Kovalev
Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
Ben Weismann (spam): 114-113 Kovalev
Tom Craze (BadLeftHook): 116-111 Ward
Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
Jorge Hernandez (SW Fight): 115-112 Kovalev
Tim Starks (Queensberry Rules): 115-112 Kovalev
The Guardian Online: 115-112 Kovalev
New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
G. Leon (Boxtalk): 114-113 Kovalev
Tim Dahlberg (AP): 116-111 Kovalev
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Kim (UCN Live): 115-112 Kovalev
Bokser.org: 115-112 Kovalev
Bob Velin (USA Today): 114-113 Kovalev
FightersRated: 115-112 Kovalev
LA Times Online: 114-113 Ward
Allan Fox (Boxingnews24): 117-110 Kovalev
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Ron Borges (Boston Herald): 116-114 Kovalev
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 DRAW
Eric Raskin (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Heavy Bag Boxing: 115-112 Kovalev
Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly): 117-111 Kovalev
Stephen A Smith (ESPN): 114-113 Kovalev
Paul Smith Jnr (Sky Sports): 116-113 Ward
John Angus MacDonald (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine): 117-110 Kovalev
Alex Morris (Next Big Pod): 114-113 Kovalev
Queensberry Rules: 115-112 Kovalev
Danny Winterbottom (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
Tom Gray (Ring Magazine): 116-115 Ward
Sam Sheppard (Next Big Pod): 115-112 Kovalev

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 13:00**

crow wrote:
Tanzio wrote:Ward has no options. He can't retire and pursue his side job as a commentator.
Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

Really? You sure you don't want to be in the shoes of an undefeated champion who has taken virtually no punishment?

I can think of worse shoes to be in.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 13:06**

crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: I get it… about 63% of the media (54 from 86 scorecards) believed that Kovalev deserved to gain the nod over Ward. It was a competitive fight, but no robbery.
SCORES POLLED FROM MEDIA [1]

44 Scores for KOVALEV = 73%
15 Scores for WARD = 25%
1 Score for a DRAW = 2%

Shaun Brown (TalkingBoxing.uk): 115-112 Kovalev
Harold Lederman (HBO): 116-111 Kovalev
Chris Mannix (Yahoo Sports): 115-112 Kovalev
Boxhard Podcast: 115-113 Kovalev
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 115-112 Kovalev
Andy Paterson (Boxing Asylum): 114-113 Kovalev
Cliff Rold (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing): 114-113 Kovalev
WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
Lance Pugmire (LA Times): 115-112 Kovalev
Ryan Burton (BS): 115-113 Kovalev
Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sports): 114-113 Ward
Daniel Attias (AUSboxing) : 114-113 Kovalev
Victor M Salazar (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Scott Christ (BadLeftHook): 115-112 Kovalev
Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
Beau Denison (The Boxing Truth): 114-113 Kovalev
Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 115-112 Kovalev
Boxing Monthly Online: 114-113 Kovalev
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report): 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Zemach ( FoxSports640): 115-112 Kovalev
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes): 115-113 Kovalev
Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing): 116-111 Kovalev
Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
Ben Weismann (spam): 114-113 Kovalev
Tom Craze (BadLeftHook): 116-111 Ward
Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
Jorge Hernandez (SW Fight): 115-112 Kovalev
Tim Starks (Queensberry Rules): 115-112 Kovalev
The Guardian Online: 115-112 Kovalev
New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
G. Leon (Boxtalk): 114-113 Kovalev
Tim Dahlberg (AP): 116-111 Kovalev
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Kim (UCN Live): 115-112 Kovalev
Bokser.org: 115-112 Kovalev
Bob Velin (USA Today): 114-113 Kovalev
FightersRated: 115-112 Kovalev
LA Times Online: 114-113 Ward
Allan Fox (Boxingnews24): 117-110 Kovalev
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Ron Borges (Boston Herald): 116-114 Kovalev
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 DRAW
Eric Raskin (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Heavy Bag Boxing: 115-112 Kovalev
Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly): 117-111 Kovalev
Stephen A Smith (ESPN): 114-113 Kovalev
Paul Smith Jnr (Sky Sports): 116-113 Ward
John Angus MacDonald (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine): 117-110 Kovalev
Alex Morris (Next Big Pod): 114-113 Kovalev
Queensberry Rules: 115-112 Kovalev
Danny Winterbottom (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
Tom Gray (Ring Magazine): 116-115 Ward
Sam Sheppard (Next Big Pod): 115-112 Kovalev

Media Scores = 86
Kovalev Winner = 54
Percentage of vote = 62.79

Steve Zemach ( FoxSports640): 115-112 Kovalev
Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds): 114-113 Ward
Tim Dahlberg (AP): 116-111 Kovalev
Daniel Attias (AUSboxing) : 114-113 Kovalev
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 114-113 Ward
Scott Christ (Bad Left Hook): 115-112 Kovalev
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report): 116-111 for Kovalev
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-112 Kovalev
Ron Borges (Boston Herald): 116-114 Kovalev
Andy Paterson (Boxing Asylum): 114-113 Kovalev
Danny Winterbottom (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
John Angus MacDonald (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Kovalev
Mark Butcher (Boxing Monthly): 114-113 Ward
Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly): 117-111 Kovalev
Ben Weismann (spam): 114-113 Kovalev
Allan Fox (Boxingnews24): 117-110 Kovalev
Cliff Rold (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Victor M Salazar (BS): 115-112 Kovalev
Ryan Burton (BS): 115-113 Kovalev
G. Leon (Boxtalk): 114-113 Kovalev
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS Sports): 114-113 Ward
Andreas Hale (Champions Fight): Draw
Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing): 114-113 Kovalev
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes): 115-113 Kovalev
Stephen A Smith (ESPN): 114-113 Kovalev
Brian Campbell (ESPN): 114-113 Ward
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 115-112 Kovalev
Marcellus Wiley (ESPN): Draw
Arash Markazi (ESPN): Kovalev won
Jack Jorgensen (FanSided): Kovalev won
Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports): 116-111 for Kovalev
Mark Ortega (Freelance): 115-112 Ward
Wolfgang Schiffbauer (German Freelancer): 114-113 Ward
Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-111 Kovalev
Eric Raskin (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO): 114-113 Kovalev
Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 114-113 Ward
Lance Pugmire (LA Times): 115-112 Kovalev
Jesse Granger (Las Vegas Sun): 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Kim (Max Boxing): 115-112 Kovalev
Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing): 116-111 Kovalev
Alex Morris (Next Big Pod): 114-113 Kovalev
Sam Sheppard (Next Big Pod): 115-112 Kovalev
George Willis (NY Post): 114-113 Ward
Tim Starks (Queensberry Rules): 115-112 Kovalev
Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine): 114-113 Ward
Ryan Songalia (Ring Magazine): 115-112 Kovalev
Tom Gray (Ring Magazine): 116-115 Ward
Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine): 117-110 Kovalev
Dougie Fischer (Ring Magazine): 117-110 Kovalev
Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing): 115-112 Ward
Danny Richardson (Script Media): 115-112 Ward
Mike Sloan (Sherdog): 115-112 Kovalev
Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports): Had Kovalev winning
Paul Smith Jnr (Sky Sports): 116-113 Ward
Johnny Nelson (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Jorge Hernandez (SW Fight): 115-112 Kovalev
Shaun Brown (TalkingBoxing.uk): 115-112 Kovalev
Beau Denison (The Boxing Truth): 114-113 Kovalev
Bryan Armen Graham (The Guardian): 115-112 Kovalev
Bill Simmons (The Ringer): Kovalev won
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 115-112 Kovalev
Bob Velin (USA Today Sports): 114-113 Kovalev
Mike Coppinger (USA Today): 114-113 Ward
Phil D. Jay (WBN – World Boxing News): 114-113 Ward
Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-113 Ward
Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-112 Kovalev
Bokser.org: 115-112 Kovalev
Boxhard Podcast: 115-113 Kovalev
BS – 114-113 Ward
FightersRated: 115-112 Kovalev
Forbes – 114-113 Kovalev
Heavy Bag Boxing: 115-112 Kovalev
LA Times Online: 114-113 Ward
New York Post Online: 114-113 Ward
Queensberry Rules: 115-112 Kovalev
The Associated Press – 116-111 Kovalev
WorldBoxingNews: 114-113 Ward
Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Johnny Nelson (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 13:10**

Close fight. Stop the whining.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 13:14**

Like I said, flying with the flock, croward. I have no problem with your opinion, no matter how biased it obviously is, or how important it is for you to be identified with a majority that has no impact whatsoever on the outcome of the fight.

Fights are not scored democratically croward, although I have put forth a scoring structure which would give groupers like you a share of the judging.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 14:11**

Enlightened-One wrote:
Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Johnny Nelson (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 14:27**

crow wrote:
littlepug wrote:
crow wrote:
Fixed for Tanzidiot.

Ward cannot retire.

If he does, he will be forever the laughing stock of the whole boxing community; he will be remembered as the guy who stole from a bona fide champion and chose to give away the titles because he was too scared to rematch him.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
didn't do leonard any harm
There was no rematch clause.
Even prima dona Leonard wouldn't have dared to walk out of a rematch clause; that would have destroyed his reputation forever after such a close fight.

Well if ward fights someone else next that would be out of order, but if he wants to retire then I see nothing wrong with that, maybe he just didn't like facing someone with that kind of firepower and wants to quit while he's ahead, couldn't really blame him

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 15:08**

crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Johnny Nelson (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward

You can't cite media scores as evidence to justify your claims, but then mock others for doing precisely the same thing.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 15:27**

Enlightened-One wrote:
crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
Paulie Malignaggi (Sky Sports): 116-112 Ward
Matthew Macklin (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Spencer Fearon (Sky Sports): 115-113 Ward
Paul Smith (Sky Sports): 115-112 Ward
Tony Bellew (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Johnny Nelson (Sky Sports): 114-114 Draw
Adam Smith (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward
Eddie Hearn (Sky Sports): 114-113 Ward

You can't cite media scores as evidence to justify your claims, but then mock others for doing precisely the same thing.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:2098240

Boxrec has spoken.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 15:37**

crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
crow wrote:

You can't cite media scores as evidence to justify your claims, but then mock others for doing precisely the same thing.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:2098240

Boxrec has spoken.

Don't shoot the messenger.

What on earth are you talking about? Larger sample sizes more accurately reflect the perceptions of the population.

86 > 60

Posted: **16 Dec 2016, 15:40**

Enlightened-One wrote:
crow wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: You can't cite media scores as evidence to justify your claims, but then mock others for doing precisely the same thing.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:2098240

Boxrec has spoken.

Don't shoot the messenger.
What on earth are you talking about? Larger sample sizes more accurately reflect the perceptions of the population.

86 > 60

That depends on where the samples are gathered. Over-representation of a group or area can skew results.

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