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He better strip some muscle and get much much lighter on his feet and his hand speed needs cranking right up

Let me tell you where Anthony Joshua is indisputably superior to Ali.

1. Ali won his Olympic Gold as a Light Heavyweight. Joshua won his as a 240 pound Heavyweight... 2. Joshua has a superior KO record at this stage of his career. He's the only Heavyweight Champion in History, besides Vitali Klitschko, that owns a 100% KO ratio after winning a Heavyweight Championship and winning 2 Title Defenses... 3. Joshua is bigger and taller than Ali with a longer reach -- and he's more powerfully built... 4. Joshua has never been awarded a controversial win over a mediocre Light Heavyweight such as Doug Jones... 5. Joshua has never been floored and almost knocked out by a 185-pound bleeder who'd previously been beaten and knocked out many times... 6. Joshua doesn't pull straight back from punches. He ironed out that flaw after his 10th amateur fight... 7. Joshua isn't likely to lose to a China chin like Ken Norton, or a neophyte like Leon Spinks... 8. Joshua is not a braggart. He doesn't believe in blowing his own horn... 9. Joshua is respectful to all of his opponents, even those who hate him like Dillian Whyte, who is a miserably jealous punk... 10. Joshua doesn't put on weight and get fat between fights like Fury, Foreman, Arreola, Hatton, Willard, Duran, Douglas, Witherspoon, Tubbs, Mathis, Ali, and 50,000 other poorly disciplined boxers... 11. Joshua is a better attacker and finisher than Ali... 12. Joshua is a better infighter and body puncher than Ali... 13. Joshua ducks under punches better than Ali... 14. Joshua has greater range and pop on his jab than Ali... 15. Joshua fires his right counter to head and body more deftly than Ali, and to more damaging effect... 16. Joshua is more disciplined in the execution of his footwork, and his timing is better.

Let me tell you where Ali was superior to Joshua.

1. Ali was better at hyping a fight and drumming up publicity... 2. Hmmm... This is going to take a while.

Enlightened-One wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: If you'd learned how to read, you would surely realise that none of those words are mine and nor do they reflect my thoughts.

I don't expect you to respond to this post, since it's abundantly clear that you cannot possibly refute the objective truths of reality.

I've been done reading your stuff for a while, thanks. Anyone that would go out of there way to post that topic or anyone else's ridiculous thoughts of the like are all in the same dink boat to me. I hope it sinks.

So in other words, all you need to do is read a few words written by other forum members, not even an entire thread title, to be compelled to submit multiple irrational incoherent abusive posts on multiple threads complaining about the things that they wrote.

Good for you! It’s good to see you try your upmost to maintain your reputation.

See, you want everyone to write a thesis back to you and to take a few days off from work so we have time to page through the mountain of BS you have time to write. I can't do that. I want to live...reading anymore more than i have to from you makes me wanna die. I'm not going to pick through your bowel movements to find the corn you've been looking for. Just be a little more responsible about the OP's you decide to bring into the world.

caldo2025 wrote:See, you want everyone to write a thesis back to you and to take a few days off from work so we have time to page through the mountain of BS you have time to write. I can't do that. I want to live...reading anymore more than i have to from you makes me wanna die.

The only thing I expect is that people don’t criticise my words without having read them beforehand.

You have criticised this thread and also conceded that you lacked the courtesy to actually read my words.

If my posts and threads bore you, then please ignore them. Don’t go around making accusations about the things I’m supposed to have done that never occurred in anybody’s version of reality!

caldo2025 wrote:I'm not going to pick through your bowel movements to find the corn you've been looking for.

Then ignore my threads and posts.

caldo2025 wrote:Just be a little more responsible about the OP's you decide to bring into the world.

You don’t have the right to ask me to do anything, especially when you refuse to take “responsibility” for your ignorant behaviour. Since you feel compelled to criticise my words without making any effort to read them.

It looks like we need Golden Oldie to come back to CS and give Rover (Enlightened One)a tune up.

Other than they were both Boxers I think the similarities between Ali and Joshua end there.

They're both big and tall for their day... They're both black... They're both crafty... They're both quick... They both can work from range... They both employ a right counter ... But as far as power, versatility, in-fighting ability, disciplined defense, attacking skills, killer instinct, aggression, finishing ability, and proclivity to grab, clinch, and wrestle inside instead of fight, there's little resemblance between them.

Another difference: no one in this thread is sucking Ali's left nut, but it looks like both of Joshua's are occupied...

(I keed, I keed!)

1. Ali smashed his way to a gold medal, AJ blagged his way to one.
2. Ali had superior footwork to AJ.
3. Ali worked angles better than AJ.
4. Ali's jab was better than AJ's.
5. Ali has more variety in his career, winning on the back foot with aggressive, passive and dope styles.
6. Ali had a better chin than AJ.
7. Ali had better stamina.
8. Ali had quicker hands than AJ.
9. Ali beat a killer for the Lineal Heavyweight title.
10. Ali beat the best heavyweight of all time (Quarry).
11. Ali had bigger d*ck.
12. Ali better actor.
13. Ali never dealt drugs.
14. Ali was The Greatest.

TheGingerBomber wrote:1. Ali smashed his way to a gold medal, AJ blagged his way to one.
2. Ali had superior footwork to AJ.
3. Ali worked angles better than AJ.
4. Ali's jab was better than AJ's.
5. Ali has more variety in his career, winning on the back foot with aggressive, passive and dope styles.
6. Ali had a better chin than AJ.
7. Ali had better stamina.
8. Ali had quicker hands than AJ.
9. Ali beat a killer for the Lineal Heavyweight title.
10. Ali beat the best heavyweight of all time (Quarry).
11. Ali had bigger d*ck.
12. Ali better actor.
13. Ali never dealt drugs.
14. Ali was The Greatest.

1.. Joshua beat a highly regarded Heavyweight. Ali beat a lowly regarded lhw... 2. Ali's footwork often left him trapped on the ropes taking a vicious pounding... 3. Cooper got a nice angle on Ali and decked him hard, almost knocked him out. So did Banks and Frazier... 4. Ali jab was so slick that he got smashed in the jaw with a left hook counter. Damned if it didn't shatter his jaw and lay him up for months... 5. You're only right about the dope style... 6. Ali's chin was so good he was stopped by Holmes, floored by Banks, Cooper, and Frazier, and got his "better" jaw broken allowing a 10:1 underdog to kick his ass... 7. Ali's stamina was so good he often had to lay on the ropes to catch his wind, leading to upset losses... 8. Ali hands were so fast that 6-0-1 Leon Stinks out-punched him... 9. Ali beat Liston who had 3 rounds of action in the previous 3 years, and looked like he was about 45 years old... 10. That comment proves you're insane... 11. I guess you checked them out. I'm not interested... 12. Oh Yeah -- especially playing Buck White where he won an academy award... 13. Ali wasn't enterprising enough to deal drugs. Joshua's sideline inadvertently led to his Boxing career... 14, Ali told Jack Dempsey he was the greatest fighter ever. Dempsey said, "But you always say you're the greatest." Ali said, "That's for publicity. When I say I'm the greatest, that's all BULLSHlT!!!"

AJ doesn't have the Ali shuffle.

Enlightened-One wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:See, you want everyone to write a thesis back to you and to take a few days off from work so we have time to page through the mountain of BS you have time to write. I can't do that. I want to live...reading anymore more than i have to from you makes me wanna die.

The only thing I expect is that people don’t criticise my words without having read them beforehand.

You have criticised this thread and also conceded that you lacked the courtesy to actually read my words.

If my posts and threads bore you, then please ignore them. Don’t go around making accusations about the things I’m supposed to have done that never occurred in anybody’s version of reality!

caldo2025 wrote:I'm not going to pick through your bowel movements to find the corn you've been looking for.

Then ignore my threads and posts.

caldo2025 wrote:Just be a little more responsible about the OP's you decide to bring into the world.

You don’t have the right to ask me to do anything, especially when you refuse to take “responsibility” for your ignorant behaviour. Since you feel compelled to criticise my words without making any effort to read them.

I never once called you out muchacho. You pick through the stuff i read for anything that might resemble an insult that might be in your direction and then come tugging on my pant legs looking for action. I don't read your stuff and that's precisely how I MAY have misunderstood this dumb OP. Just look at the title of it. Either you are:

A- a first class troll looking for some shocking headline so someone will read it.
B- you actually feel that Anthony Joshua is the next coming of Ali.
C-All of the above.

If you have noticed, not great choices up there to choose from.

Stay away from my stuff and i'll stay away from yours. Problem solved. Have a good life.

caldo2025 wrote:I never once called you out muchacho. You pick through the stuff i read for anything that might resemble an insult that might be in your direction and then come tugging on my pant legs looking for action.

Pure fiction.

caldo2025 wrote:I don't read your stuff and that's precisely how I MAY have misunderstood this dumb OP.

So you admit to criticising something you’ve never made an effort to understand. That’s a prime example of someone being ignorant.

caldo2025 wrote:Just look at the title.... Either you are:

A- a first class troll looking for some shocking headline so someone will read it.
B- you actually feel that Anthony Joshua is the next coming of Ali.
C-All of the above.

If you have noticed, not great choices up there to choose from.

If you’d read the article that was hyperlinked in the first post in this thread, you’d realise that the thread title is simply an abbreviated version of the article title published by ‘The Telegraph’, so the words weren't mine, but your ignorance prevented you from recognising this fact.

If you don’t read things, but criticise and make false claims about them anyway, then all it serves it to portray yourself as a moron of the highest possible degree.

caldo2025 wrote:Stay away from my stuff and i'll stay away from yours. Problem solved. Have a good life.

I don’t have to alter my behaviour, because there’s nothing unreasonable about defending oneself from the criticism expressed by an ignoramus. If you stop criticising me unfairly, then there won’t be a reason for me to attack your posts.

Enlightened-One wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I never once called you out muchacho. You pick through the stuff i read for anything that might resemble an insult that might be in your direction and then come tugging on my pant legs looking for action.

Pure fiction.

caldo2025 wrote:I don't read your stuff and that's precisely how I MAY have misunderstood this dumb OP.

So you admit to criticising something you’ve never made an effort to understand. That’s a prime example of someone being ignorant.

caldo2025 wrote:Just look at the title.... Either you are:

A- a first class troll looking for some shocking headline so someone will read it.
B- you actually feel that Anthony Joshua is the next coming of Ali.
C-All of the above.

If you have noticed, not great choices up there to choose from.

If you’d read the article that was hyperlinked in the first post in this thread, you’d realise that the thread title is simply an abbreviated version of the article title published by ‘The Telegraph’, so the words weren't mine, but your ignorance prevented you from recognising this fact.

If you don’t read things, but criticise and make false claims about them anyway, then all it serves it to portray yourself as a moron of the highest possible degree.

caldo2025 wrote:Stay away from my stuff and i'll stay away from yours. Problem solved. Have a good life.

I don’t have to alter my behaviour, because there’s nothing unreasonable about defending oneself from the criticism expressed by an ignoramus. If you stop criticising me unfairly, then there won’t be a reason for me to attack your posts.

Fair enough.

Kalan wrote:

TheGingerBomber wrote:1. Ali smashed his way to a gold medal, AJ blagged his way to one.
2. Ali had superior footwork to AJ.
3. Ali worked angles better than AJ.
4. Ali's jab was better than AJ's.
5. Ali has more variety in his career, winning on the back foot with aggressive, passive and dope styles.
6. Ali had a better chin than AJ.
7. Ali had better stamina.
8. Ali had quicker hands than AJ.
9. Ali beat a killer for the Lineal Heavyweight title.
10. Ali beat the best heavyweight of all time (Quarry).
11. Ali had bigger d*ck.
12. Ali better actor.
13. Ali never dealt drugs.
14. Ali was The Greatest.

1.. Joshua beat a highly regarded Heavyweight. Ali beat a lowly regarded lhw... 2. Ali's footwork often left him trapped on the ropes taking a vicious pounding... 3. Cooper got a nice angle on Ali and decked him hard, almost knocked him out. So did Banks and Frazier... 4. Ali jab was so slick that he got smashed in the jaw with a left hook counter. Damned if it didn't shatter his jaw and lay him up for months... 5. You're only right about the dope style... 6. Ali's chin was so good he was stopped by Holmes, floored by Banks, Cooper, and Frazier, and got his "better" jaw broken allowing a 10:1 underdog to kick his ass... 7. Ali's stamina was so good he often had to lay on the ropes to catch his wind, leading to upset losses... 8. Ali hands were so fast that 6-0-1 Leon Stinks out-punched him... 9. Ali beat Liston who had 3 rounds of action in the previous 3 years, and looked like he was about 45 years old... 10. That comment proves you're insane... 11. I guess you checked them out. I'm not interested... 12. Oh Yeah -- especially playing Buck White where he won an academy award... 13. Ali wasn't enterprising enough to deal drugs. Joshua's sideline inadvertently led to his Boxing career... 14, Ali told Jack Dempsey he was the greatest fighter ever. Dempsey said, "But you always say you're the greatest." Ali said, "That's for publicity. When I say I'm the greatest, that's all BULLSHlT!!!"

There's something seriously wrong with you.

take this with a grain of salt. it means
nothing more or less than interest in
the USA is picking up. that's just the
american way of phrasing it.

Joshua is not like Ali, he's more like George Foreman.

Muhammad Ali was an American Cultural Icon ... (who happened also to be a boxer) ... (secondarily) ...

Anthony Joshua ... as great as he may be ... is just a boxer ...

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A boxer who's going to do better than Ali and get hit a lot less.

Has Joshua got all the tools to re-ignite American public interest in the sport's blue riband division?
Possibly.

Is he the next Muhammad Ali?
I doubt it very much.

TheGingerBomber wrote:

Kalan wrote:

TheGingerBomber wrote:1. Ali smashed his way to a gold medal, AJ blagged his way to one.
2. Ali had superior footwork to AJ.
3. Ali worked angles better than AJ.
4. Ali's jab was better than AJ's.
5. Ali has more variety in his career, winning on the back foot with aggressive, passive and dope styles.
6. Ali had a better chin than AJ.
7. Ali had better stamina.
8. Ali had quicker hands than AJ.
9. Ali beat a killer for the Lineal Heavyweight title.
10. Ali beat the best heavyweight of all time (Quarry).
11. Ali had bigger d*ck.
12. Ali better actor.
13. Ali never dealt drugs.
14. Ali was The Greatest.

1.. Joshua beat a highly regarded Heavyweight. Ali beat a lowly regarded lhw... 2. Ali's footwork often left him trapped on the ropes taking a vicious pounding... 3. Cooper got a nice angle on Ali and decked him hard, almost knocked him out. So did Banks and Frazier... 4. Ali jab was so slick that he got smashed in the jaw with a left hook counter. Damned if it didn't shatter his jaw and lay him up for months... 5. You're only right about the dope style... 6. Ali's chin was so good he was stopped by Holmes, floored by Banks, Cooper, and Frazier, and got his "better" jaw broken allowing a 10:1 underdog to kick his ass... 7. Ali's stamina was so good he often had to lay on the ropes to catch his wind, leading to upset losses... 8. Ali hands were so fast that 6-0-1 Leon Stinks out-punched him... 9. Ali beat Liston who had 3 rounds of action in the previous 3 years, and looked like he was about 45 years old... 10. That comment proves you're insane... 11. I guess you checked them out. I'm not interested... 12. Oh Yeah -- especially playing Buck White where he won an academy award... 13. Ali wasn't enterprising enough to deal drugs. Joshua's sideline inadvertently led to his Boxing career... 14, Ali told Jack Dempsey he was the greatest fighter ever. Dempsey said, "But you always say you're the greatest." Ali said, "That's for publicity. When I say I'm the greatest, that's all BULLSHlT!!!"

There's something seriously wrong with you.

Something's wrong with your brain. I present facts and don't believe in myths or myth making.. You buy myths hook, line, and sinker, and don't want the truth.

Kalan wrote:

TheGingerBomber wrote:

Kalan wrote:
1.. Joshua beat a highly regarded Heavyweight. Ali beat a lowly regarded lhw... 2. Ali's footwork often left him trapped on the ropes taking a vicious pounding... 3. Cooper got a nice angle on Ali and decked him hard, almost knocked him out. So did Banks and Frazier... 4. Ali jab was so slick that he got smashed in the jaw with a left hook counter. Damned if it didn't shatter his jaw and lay him up for months... 5. You're only right about the dope style... 6. Ali's chin was so good he was stopped by Holmes, floored by Banks, Cooper, and Frazier, and got his "better" jaw broken allowing a 10:1 underdog to kick his ass... 7. Ali's stamina was so good he often had to lay on the ropes to catch his wind, leading to upset losses... 8. Ali hands were so fast that 6-0-1 Leon Stinks out-punched him... 9. Ali beat Liston who had 3 rounds of action in the previous 3 years, and looked like he was about 45 years old... 10. That comment proves you're insane... 11. I guess you checked them out. I'm not interested... 12. Oh Yeah -- especially playing Buck White where he won an academy award... 13. Ali wasn't enterprising enough to deal drugs. Joshua's sideline inadvertently led to his Boxing career... 14, Ali told Jack Dempsey he was the greatest fighter ever. Dempsey said, "But you always say you're the greatest." Ali said, "That's for publicity. When I say I'm the greatest, that's all BULLSHlT!!!"

There's something seriously wrong with you.

Something's wrong with your brain. I present facts and don't believe in myths or myth making.. You buy myths hook, line, and sinker, and don't want the truth.

I like the truth and I like hearing opinions, but it's obvious you have an agenda against Ali.
You've sort of made it a head to head when they're from different eras. You brought up the some good points and bad points but here's a point.
Ali is a legend, AJ is still in prospect stage, he's fought no top 10 fighters! He's in an extremely close fight next up which could make or break him.
The comparisons are ludicrous, however you're onto something saying he 'could be a future ATG'.

no way, we see whyte shook aj , he could never take the punishment ali took. people on other threads are comparing aj to bruno which seems more realistic

How can he be the second coming of Ali if he can't even compete with a young Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis? This guy has jokes!

brilo33 wrote:no way, we see whyte shook aj , he could never take the punishment ali took. people on other threads are comparing aj to bruno which seems more realistic

Frank Bruno was a punching bag similar to Ali... He got decked a few times and knocked out just like happed to Ali... Never happened to AJ and never will.