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Kalan wrote:North Americans generally get off with very little publicity and a slap on the wrist.. fines and "voluntary contributions" are extorted from them, but the fights go on and little is said.. That because the testers are North Americans and they're cheating.. When overseas boxers like Povetkin are tested they try to finagle a positive test out of a test that passed -- and they let the publicity fly like a MF to destroy him and any chance he has of fighting for a world title ever again.

Howabout James Toney getting stripped of WBA title after testing positive following the Ruiz fight? Frans Botha testing positive after beating Axel Schulz & he got stripped. Lucas Browne after Chagaev? Ortiz got popped, Wach got popped, etc, etc... It just isn't eastern Europeans & Russians getting popped. Guillemo Jones is another...The WBC uses VADA & gave all contenders a deadline to sign up for their program.

joe strong wrote:

Kalan wrote:North Americans generally get off with very little publicity and a slap on the wrist.. fines and "voluntary contributions" are extorted from them, but the fights go on and little is said.. That because the testers are North Americans and they're cheating.. When overseas boxers like Povetkin are tested they try to finagle a positive test out of a test that passed -- and they let the publicity fly like a MF to destroy him and any chance he has of fighting for a world title ever again.

Howabout James Toney getting stripped of WBA title after testing positive following the Ruiz fight? Frans Botha testing positive after beating Axel Schulz & he got stripped. Lucas Browne after Chagaev? Ortiz got popped, Wach got popped, etc, etc... It just isn't eastern Europeans & Russians getting popped. Guillemo Jones is another...The WBC uses VADA & gave all contenders a deadline to sign up for their program.

Good post and good information

That TUE is a trick loophole to allow certain protected players to use drugs - OB VEE US LEE

joe strong wrote:

Kalan wrote:North Americans generally get off with very little publicity and a slap on the wrist.. fines and "voluntary contributions" are extorted from them, but the fights go on and little is said.. That because the testers are North Americans and they're cheating.. When overseas boxers like Povetkin are tested they try to finagle a positive test out of a test that passed -- and they let the publicity fly like a MF to destroy him and any chance he has of fighting for a world title ever again.

Howabout James Toney getting stripped of WBA title after testing positive following the Ruiz fight? Frans Botha testing positive after beating Axel Schulz & he got stripped. Lucas Browne after Chagaev? Ortiz got popped, Wach got popped, etc, etc... It just isn't eastern Europeans & Russians getting popped. Guillemo Jones is another...The WBC uses VADA & gave all contenders a deadline to sign up for their program.

Toney wasn't VADA tested.. Botha, Browne, Wach, and Ortiz are all foreigners.. Several scientific studies have noted that a combination of dietary supplements---none of which contain a banned substance---and exercise, can result in a positive nandrolone test. The theory behind the findings is that there is a link between heavy training, dehydration as a result from training -- and their effects upon the components of high protein diets. So when athletes plead innocent, sometimes they're correct. Povetkin certainly is very serious about his lawsuit and proving he's innocent.

montrealsuper wrote:That TUE is a trick loophole to allow certain protected players to use drugs - OB VEE US LEE

Mayweather employed the use of illegal TUE's and got away with it. That's on record. Money talks, and testing agencies can be as corrupt as anyone.

Kalan wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:That TUE is a trick loophole to allow certain protected players to use drugs - OB VEE US LEE

Mayweather employed the use of illegal TUE's and got away with it. That's on record. Money talks, and testing agencies can be as corrupt as anyone.

Fraud Floydweather was protected by AH and Nevada and WBC - nobody was allowed to beat the fraud - one way or another they choreographed the fraud to keep winning so as to keep the gravy train rolling along - Floyd's career since 2004 is a WWE production - the world was rope a doped -

Kalan wrote:

joe strong wrote:

Kalan wrote:North Americans generally get off with very little publicity and a slap on the wrist.. fines and "voluntary contributions" are extorted from them, but the fights go on and little is said.. That because the testers are North Americans and they're cheating.. When overseas boxers like Povetkin are tested they try to finagle a positive test out of a test that passed -- and they let the publicity fly like a MF to destroy him and any chance he has of fighting for a world title ever again.

Howabout James Toney getting stripped of WBA title after testing positive following the Ruiz fight? Frans Botha testing positive after beating Axel Schulz & he got stripped. Lucas Browne after Chagaev? Ortiz got popped, Wach got popped, etc, etc... It just isn't eastern Europeans & Russians getting popped. Guillemo Jones is another...The WBC uses VADA & gave all contenders a deadline to sign up for their program.

Toney wasn't VADA tested.. Botha, Browne, Wach, and Ortiz are all foreigners.. Several scientific studies have noted that a combination of dietary supplements---none of which contain a banned substance---and exercise, can result in a positive nandrolone test. The theory behind the findings is that there is a link between heavy training, dehydration as a result from training -- and their effects upon the components of high protein diets. So when athletes plead innocent, sometimes they're correct. Povetkin certainly is very serious about his lawsuit and proving he's innocent.[/quote It doesn't matter if it was VADA or not. They all got busted, fined & suspended. It has nothing to do with them being eastern European or not. They all got busted from some agency wherever it may be. Povetkin is going to lose his lawsuit. Twice in one year & was the sole reason 2 important WBC fights with title implications were scrapped because he couldn't pass a drug test. I'm done talking about this topic. I like Povetkin & was pretty impressed with his run after the Klitschko fight but he is a drug cheat & he should just man up & take his punishment. It is not like he won't be in the title picture after his suspension is up. All the guys I listed who got popped were in title fights or eliminators right after the ban was lifted. Browne was set to be but he failed again just like Povetkin...

joe strong wrote: It doesn't matter if it was VADA or not. They all got busted, fined & suspended. It has nothing to do with them being eastern European or not. They all got busted from some agency wherever it may be. Povetkin is going to lose his lawsuit. Twice in one year & was the sole reason 2 important WBC fights with title implications were scrapped because he couldn't pass a drug test

It matters if it was VADA because VADA is corrupt.. And it has EVERYTHING to do with being Russian in this case.

You can't think and you can't read.. Povetkin passed ALL his tests for the Wilder fight with flying colors.. VADA admitted he passed the tests.. Now they're claiming they never said he didn't pass the tests.. and they just can't prove that he took Maldonium after it was banned and they were merely investigating suspicions that he might have taken it -- when that was not their intent at all.. Their intent was helping American promoters destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and prevent Ryabinsky from winning purse bids that shut American promoters out of lucrative championship fights.. And also prevent a Russian boxer from winning a valuable World Title. If there's any justice Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win their lawsuits and eventually drive the corrupt VADA and the WBC out of Boxing.

You should really pull your head out of Povetkin's ass and get some fresh air once in a while.

You should really breath some fresh air once in a while so your severely restricted blood vessels would relax and allow you to think objectively.

Kalan wrote:

joe strong wrote: It doesn't matter if it was VADA or not. They all got busted, fined & suspended. It has nothing to do with them being eastern European or not. They all got busted from some agency wherever it may be. Povetkin is going to lose his lawsuit. Twice in one year & was the sole reason 2 important WBC fights with title implications were scrapped because he couldn't pass a drug test

It matters if it was VADA because VADA is corrupt.. And it has EVERYTHING to do with being Russian in this case.

You can't think and you can't read.. Povetkin passed ALL his tests for the Wilder fight with flying colors.. VADA admitted he passed the tests.. Now they're claiming they never said he didn't pass the tests.. and they just can't prove that he took Maldonium after it was banned and they were merely investigating suspicions that he might have taken it -- when that was not their intent at all.. Their intent was helping American promoters destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and prevent Ryabinsky from winning purse bids that shut American promoters out of lucrative championship fights.. And also prevent a Russian boxer from winning a valuable World Title. If there's any justice Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win their lawsuits and eventually drive the corrupt VADA and the WBC out of Boxing.

So the WBC & VADA decided to catch Povetkin again with a different drug before the Stiverne fight? He gets a mulligan for the first test because when he claimed to use it the drug was not banned yet. Yeah ok but the 2nd drug test he failed was from a substance that was banned in 2008. Both his samples failed. Yeah the WBC & VADA are out to get Ryabinsky & Povetkin. What about all the other guys who failed in Russia? I like Povetkin & hope to see him fight again in a year or so after he serves his ban...

joe strong wrote:

Kalan wrote:

joe strong wrote: It doesn't matter if it was VADA or not. They all got busted, fined & suspended. It has nothing to do with them being eastern European or not. They all got busted from some agency wherever it may be. Povetkin is going to lose his lawsuit. Twice in one year & was the sole reason 2 important WBC fights with title implications were scrapped because he couldn't pass a drug test

It matters if it was VADA because VADA is corrupt.. And it has EVERYTHING to do with being Russian in this case.

You can't think and you can't read.. Povetkin passed ALL his tests for the Wilder fight with flying colors.. VADA admitted he passed the tests.. Now they're claiming they never said he didn't pass the tests.. and they just can't prove that he took Maldonium after it was banned and they were merely investigating suspicions that he might have taken it -- when that was not their intent at all.. Their intent was helping American promoters destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and prevent Ryabinsky from winning purse bids that shut American promoters out of lucrative championship fights.. And also prevent a Russian boxer from winning a valuable World Title. If there's any justice Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win their lawsuits and eventually drive the corrupt VADA and the WBC out of Boxing.

So the WBC & VADA decided to catch Povetkin again with a different drug before the Stiverne fight? He gets a mulligan for the first test because when he claimed to use it the drug was not banned yet. Yeah ok but the 2nd drug test he failed was from a substance that was banned in 2008. Both his samples failed. Yeah the WBC & VADA are out to get Ryabinsky & Povetkin. What about all the other guys who failed in Russia? I like Povetkin & hope to see him fight again in a year or so after he serves his ban...

Do you think that it is POSSIBLE that Haymon has somebody in VADA he can influence?

This shit cracks me up, like the two 'bogus' tests aren't backed by a sudden late career power surge.

boxing_rocks wrote:

joe strong wrote:

Kalan wrote:
It matters if it was VADA because VADA is corrupt.. And it has EVERYTHING to do with being Russian in this case.

You can't think and you can't read.. Povetkin passed ALL his tests for the Wilder fight with flying colors.. VADA admitted he passed the tests.. Now they're claiming they never said he didn't pass the tests.. and they just can't prove that he took Maldonium after it was banned and they were merely investigating suspicions that he might have taken it -- when that was not their intent at all.. Their intent was helping American promoters destroy Russia as a venue for World Heavyweight Championship Fights and prevent Ryabinsky from winning purse bids that shut American promoters out of lucrative championship fights.. And also prevent a Russian boxer from winning a valuable World Title. If there's any justice Ryabinsky and Povetkin will win their lawsuits and eventually drive the corrupt VADA and the WBC out of Boxing.

So the WBC & VADA decided to catch Povetkin again with a different drug before the Stiverne fight? He gets a mulligan for the first test because when he claimed to use it the drug was not banned yet. Yeah ok but the 2nd drug test he failed was from a substance that was banned in 2008. Both his samples failed. Yeah the WBC & VADA are out to get Ryabinsky & Povetkin. What about all the other guys who failed in Russia? I like Povetkin & hope to see him fight again in a year or so after he serves his ban...

Do you think that it is POSSIBLE that Haymon has somebody in VADA he can influence?

I just watch the fights. I really don't care about the other stuff. If they get popped I don't lose sleep about it. I just move on & watch the next HW fight. I watch all levels of HWs not just the contenders & if someone is cheating then I guess I won't see them for awhile. I'm certainly not going to read up on VADA, SCOOBIE DOOADA & all the other drug testing agencies. I have a hard enough time keeping up with all the different belts & who holds them. Each body has like 5 regional belts for rankings...

joe strong wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

joe strong wrote: So the WBC & VADA decided to catch Povetkin again with a different drug before the Stiverne fight? He gets a mulligan for the first test because when he claimed to use it the drug was not banned yet. Yeah ok but the 2nd drug test he failed was from a substance that was banned in 2008. Both his samples failed. Yeah the WBC & VADA are out to get Ryabinsky & Povetkin. What about all the other guys who failed in Russia? I like Povetkin & hope to see him fight again in a year or so after he serves his ban...

Do you think that it is POSSIBLE that Haymon has somebody in VADA he can influence?

I just watch the fights. I really don't care about the other stuff. If they get popped I don't lose sleep about it. I just move on & watch the next HW fight. I watch all levels of HWs not just the contenders & if someone is cheating then I guess I won't see them for awhile. I'm certainly not going to read up on VADA, SCOOBIE DOOADA & all the other drug testing agencies. I have a hard enough time keeping up with all the different belts & who holds them. Each body has like 5 regional belts for rankings...

Boxing is just so corrupt that this never ends.. VADA flagrantly misrepresented Povetkin's tests for Wilder - so they're a bunch of damned liars anyway. Ostarine is the same drug VADA claimed other foreigners like Bute and Browne used.. They both swore they never used Ostarine and never even heard of it.. For Povetkin, the concentration of Ostarine was so minute---a tiny fraction of a nanogram---that it couldn't have come from a dose of the drug. Which begs the question. Why would Povetkin test totally clean for months -- and the day of the fight they find a few picograms of Ostarine.. Makes no sense.. They hired other testing agencies to do tests at the same time because they didn't trust VADA.. And those tests were 100% clean.

Really what is good about Povetkin? In his fight with Klitschko he gassed out in 3 rounds and maybe landed three clean punches the whole fight. The other names on his resume... I don't know....but I assume he would have fought them with a shriveled roid pean. He seems pretty stock standard in terms of his style, other than better than average power.

It's not what's good about Povetkin... It's that he earned his title shot at Wilder and they conspired a work around.

Kalan wrote:Makes no sense.. They hired other testing agencies to do tests at the same time because they didn't trust VADA.. And those tests were 100% clean.

If that's true - I smell a rat.

SteveO wrote:

Kalan wrote:Makes no sense.. They hired other testing agencies to do tests at the same time because they didn't trust VADA.. And those tests were 100% clean.

If that's true - I smell a rat.

No independent test was done at the same time as the failed VADA test. Ryabinsky was directly asked about that on twitter, and he didn't reply.

I still smell a rat though.

boxing_rocks wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:They did the same thing to Sharapova in tennis - yes there is an anti Russian agenda - Look at the body of Serena - wake up

Serena takes PEDs "legally" - she has a registered medical condition "requiring" those. Russians are too lazy or don't have necessary connections to get such exempts.

Do you have any proof of that to back up your statement? I just find it really hard to believe.

Badhusker wrote: Do you have any proof of that to back up your statement? I just find it really hard to believe.

..there've been numerous articles like this one:
http://www.businessinsider.de/russian-h ... ?r=US&IR=T

SteveO wrote:

Kalan wrote:Makes no sense.. They hired other testing agencies to do tests at the same time because they didn't trust VADA.. And those tests were 100% clean.

If that's true - I smell a rat.

It is true lol, how comes barely anyone knows this?

asdfjkl wrote:

SteveO wrote:

Kalan wrote:Makes no sense.. They hired other testing agencies to do tests at the same time because they didn't trust VADA.. And those tests were 100% clean.

If that's true - I smell a rat.

It is true lol, how comes barely anyone knows this?

No, it is not true. Independent test(s) were taken at different time(s).

Floyd was caught taking an ILLEGAL IV the day before the Pacquiao fight - it was covered up for 30 days - nothing was done about it - Lesson learned: Certain fighters are PROTECTED and certain fighters are targets to be cheated - Boxing is corrupt - to a degree the naive have no idea about -