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tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15

Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 17:48 Here’s a question..

Which boxer past or present, has/had all three attributes?

Sugar Ray Leonard.

I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out power

Having all 3 do compliment each other..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:32

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15

Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:02

Sugar Ray Leonard.

I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out power

Having all 3 do compliment each other..

Yes sir they do. You can add Roy Jones Jr to that list of all 3

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 17:48 Here’s a question..

Which boxer past or present, has/had all three attributes?

... which hasn't? ...

Inoue

Sequitorian wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 20:11 ... which hasn't? ...

Breazeale.

TBH, All HW can knock anyone out.

Power. Power can cover up many shortcomings. It also lasts the longest.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 12:23 Power. Power can cover up many shortcomings. It also lasts the longest.

Deontay Wilder!!

it depends how much you have of the others

if you have almost literally no speed your power wont connect etc

wilder has speed too

jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 16:52 it depends how much you have of the others

if you have almost literally no speed your power wont connect etc

wilder has speed too

Foreman wasn't fast. Your boy Joyce? Plenty of powerhouses were successful without the speed component.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 16:49 Deontay Wilder!!

i actually believe the likes of joyce (when did he become my boy lol) have not bad timing, and hence can land despite slowness. it depends on how much of the other abilities you have. i think someone whose really fast but has no timing or power may still be able to do better then someone with power but no timing or speed

jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 16:55 i actually believe the likes of joyce (when did he become my boy lol) have not bad timing, and hence can land despite slowness. it depends on how much of the other abilities you have. i think someone whose really fast but has no timing or power may still be able to do better then someone with power but no timing or speed

Speed without timing wouldn't do so well either would it? Low connection rate. Another reason I selected power was that it also lasts further into your career than speed.

thats true on connections, and you could argue the power would at least let you make the most out of your connections, but a lot of time what gets seen as 'outboxing' is just basically one guy outspeeding the other and throwing shots that may look flashy but dont really land.

jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 17:04 thats true on connections, and you could argue the power would at least let you make the most out of your connections, but a lot of time what gets seen as 'outboxing' is just basically one guy outspeeding the other and throwing shots that may look flashy but dont really land.

How about selecting "chin" as an attribute? Then you are Randy Cobb I suspect.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑15 Mar 2017, 05:05 Speed. Fast reflexes (head movement eg Tyson/Rooney) and hand speed are vital. Great footwork is the hallmark of the best champions. Amazing how long it took for British boxing to catch on. Even now we haven't seen a British Pacquiao, Ali, Leonard, Robinson etc. The most mobile British fighter I have seen was Calzaghe.

Never seen Buchanan? Or Winstone? Or Alan Rudkin? Or Conteh?

When I used to do some sparring in my teenage years my best attribute was my speed. I found out as I sparred more, that when I was in with a more schooled boxer I had to be smarter on letting my hands go. I began to stop throwing as many combinations and became more of a counter puncher. I noticed once I started to pick my shots more, I was throwing with more power.

One instance I was sparring a guy who was was in the MMAs and he was training in boxing to work on his stand up. He was slightly more experienced than me and probably 15-20 lbs heavier. I noticed right away I had a lot more speed, I was swarming him with shots at first until he caught me with a perfect liver shot that took everything out of me... Sparring over.

My coach stressed defense and patience to me. He told me I was relying too much on my speed. We worked on some countering scenarios and a little defense, then he asked if I wanted to spar that guy again. I was all for it.

My second encounter went much better. I was more patient, used my feet more, worked more feints. I remember getting caught in the rib cage by a good shot, but I eventually landed a big right hand over a lazy jab that buckled his legs. It was a short 2 minute sparring session. But once I learned to counter more efficiently, it became my favorite way to box. Tricking your opponent into making mistakes and looking for openings seemed to be much better for my health rather than trying to overwhelm my opponents with speed. It worked with the meatballs I had sparred previously, but I learned a valuable lesson and knew I didn't want that to happen again.

I'd go for perfect balance (which means perfect footwork)... if you have that, you can power punch in combos while going forward and be elusive with upper body movement at will. You can transfer weight from all angles too.

TheBeast wrote: ↑25 May 2019, 15:48 I'd go for perfect balance (which means perfect footwork)... if you have that, you can power punch in combos while going forward and be elusive with upper body movement at will. You can transfer weight from all angles too.

Not an option!! Lol

I choose none of the above.

I'd rather be a Tex Cobb type of man.

DEFENSE.

But from the given choices, Power

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 16:49 Deontay Wilder!!

He's definitely got speed and timing as well. Power w/o having a high level of the other 2 attributes will get you nowhere at the top level. Wilder has shown to find the proper timing at least once in all his fights.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15 I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out power

Fair point.

I originally plumped for Sugar Ray Leonard, but thinking again, the man I should have chosen was his nemesis, The Hitman, Thomas Hearns.

Tommy hit like a truck; he also had excellent hand speed and his timing, especially with his piston like Left jab and his demonic Right hand were exemplary.

I voted power, as all my favourite fighters are punchers.

But, I suspect that timing would be the most important of the three. Without it, you might never land quick or heavy hands.

Would anyone say Wilder has all 3?

That is when he’s not windmilling..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 18:00 Would anyone say Wilder has all 3?

That is when he’s not windmilling..

He did against Breazeale.