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Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 09:47
by Kalan
Ossyrules wrote:Kalan wrote:apollo creed wrote:FMJ,Broner,Jermell and probably other champions had some tough sparrings with Spence. Drained and soften up Kell Brook may get a beating from Spence.
Especially Floyd got ripped by Spence... Errol turned Floyd counter clockwise by climbing into his left shoulder with right jabs and hooks and then peeling off left-handers Floyd couldn't deal with at all.. He had no answers.. Southpaw Pacquiao couldn't do that to Floyd because he had no height and no size.. Pac had no right jab and no right hook to whale on Floyd with.. Like you saw with Algieri who was at full Welterweight where Chris was drained down for Pacman.. Chris couldn't hang with Spence. He was getting crushed.
Brook is a massive Welterweight...as big as Spence... But except for GGG he's never faced a machine like Spence before. He's gonna catch HELL.
Algieri fought lighter for most of his career than what he weighed in at for spence. You call it drained for Pacquaio, others would call it pumped up for spence.
You're right re brook and spence though, both very big at the weight. The argument re whose faced who doesn't wash though.
Brook , except for ggg has never faced a machine etc
Well spence has never faced anyone.
Back spence by all means but if it's whose faced who then spence hasn't the edge
Algieri wasn't pumped up for Spence.. Not an ounce.. That was his 3rd fight at full Welterweight after fighting Khan and Bone and doing well.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 09:50
by Kalan
If Welterweights have been avoiding Spence, they won't be able to do that after he beats Brook... He'll be the World's dominant Welterweight
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 09:58
by Tanzio
Kalan wrote:If Welterweights have been avoiding Spence, they won't be able to do that after he beats Brook... He'll be the World's dominant Welterweight
Not true. If he destroys Brook Pac won't go near him, and a whole lot of the welter weight div will avoid him in hopes that he moves up sooner rather than later.
Hopefully,
Once Upon A Time will make the fight though.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 10:10
by Ossyrules
Kalan wrote:Ossyrules wrote:Kalan wrote:
Especially Floyd got ripped by Spence... Errol turned Floyd counter clockwise by climbing into his left shoulder with right jabs and hooks and then peeling off left-handers Floyd couldn't deal with at all.. He had no answers.. Southpaw Pacquiao couldn't do that to Floyd because he had no height and no size.. Pac had no right jab and no right hook to whale on Floyd with.. Like you saw with Algieri who was at full Welterweight where Chris was drained down for Pacman.. Chris couldn't hang with Spence. He was getting crushed.
Brook is a massive Welterweight...as big as Spence... But except for GGG he's never faced a machine like Spence before. He's gonna catch HELL.
Algieri fought lighter for most of his career than what he weighed in at for spence. You call it drained for Pacquaio, others would call it pumped up for spence.
You're right re brook and spence though, both very big at the weight. The argument re whose faced who doesn't wash though.
Brook , except for ggg has never faced a machine etc
Well spence has never faced anyone.
Back spence by all means but if it's whose faced who then spence hasn't the edge
Algieri wasn't pumped up for Spence.. Not an ounce.. That was his 3rd fight at full Welterweight after fighting Khan and Bone and doing well.
He came up in weight after fighting his career lighter. You have to play devils advocate with spence supporters as often their arguments are a shade hypocritical.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 16:14
by IKSRTFO
We don't even know if Spence can take a flush punch from a puncher like Brook. We know Brook can (GGG) Sparring doesn't provide that fully unless Spence spars the way Leonard did.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 16:17
by IKSRTFO
Kalan wrote:apollo creed wrote:FMJ,Broner,Jermell and probably other champions had some tough sparrings with Spence. Drained and soften up Kell Brook may get a beating from Spence.
Especially Floyd got ripped by Spence... Errol turned Floyd counter clockwise by climbing into his left shoulder with right jabs and hooks and then peeling off left-handers Floyd couldn't deal with at all.. He had no answers.. Southpaw Pacquiao couldn't do that to Floyd because he had no height and no size.. Pac had no right jab and no right hook to whale on Floyd with.. Like you saw with Algieri who was at full Welterweight where Chris was drained down for Pacman.. Chris couldn't hang with Spence. He was getting crushed.
Brook is a massive Welterweight...as big as Spence... But except for GGG he's never faced a machine like Spence before. He's gonna catch HELL.
And Spence has never been hit by someone like Brook. At let's not forget Spence LOSING in the Olympics.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 16:44
by Best Coast
apollo creed wrote:FMJ,Broner,Jermell and probably other champions had some tough sparrings with Spence. Drained and soften up Kell Brook may get a beating from Spence.
Spence wont necessarily "whoop" Brook, but a clearcut win is not outside the realm of likelihood. Home turf will definitely give Kell some advantage but Spence should still win a competitive but clearcut decision.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 21:44
by Badhusker
I think Spence will win too, but it will be a tough fight for both guys.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 22 Apr 2017, 22:35
by fightseer
It's gonna be a tough fight but I think the weight issue will be a tough situation for Brook. He was struggling to make weight well before he fought GGG. In that training camp he tried to put on muscle to fight GGG. He did get strong for that fight. But, I think it will negatively affect Brook not just physically but mentally as well. He will not feel as strong as he did in his last fight and his body might not want to give up the weight as easily as before.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 04:02
by apollo creed
fightseer wrote:It's gonna be a tough fight but I think the weight issue will be a tough situation for Brook. He was struggling to make weight well before he fought GGG. In that training camp he tried to put on muscle to fight GGG. He did get strong for that fight. But, I think it will negatively affect Brook not just physically but mentally as well. He will not feel as strong as he did in his last fight and his body might not want to give up the weight as easily as before.
Yup, now he has to cut off muscle mass which was put it for the fight with GGG. Spence is gonna rip Brook's body.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 08:51
by caldo2025
Stuarty30 wrote:Spence is definitely favourite. I fancy him to win by stoppage mid to late. I really hope I'm wrong because I'm a big Brook fan and have been since very early in his career.
Unfortunately, I agree with you about this fight. I've got a lot of respect for Brook and even though I'm American, i'm hoping that he can find a way to beat this kid. But, I just can't see it happening. In my mind, I just don't see how Brook finishes this fight. I'm really concerned about Brook's eye in this one. He's probably going to be hit more in this fight than he has in his last 5 fights and it wasn't too long ago that the broken orbital bone caused the stoppage against GGG.
So my prediction is the eye causes the fight to be stopped. Spence seems to be on a mission right now and he's not playing.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 11:00
by Syntax Error
All fighters are beasts in sparring.
If you can't be 'the man' in your own gym in sparring, there isn't much hope for you.
I think Spence will win, but he hasn't fought anyone yet, so lets wait & see if he can fulfil his potential.
Re: If Spence is such a beast in sparrings, humbling champions then he may really whoop Brook
Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 19:19
by lazboy
Kalan wrote:apollo creed wrote:FMJ,Broner,Jermell and probably other champions had some tough sparrings with Spence. Drained and soften up Kell Brook may get a beating from Spence.
Especially Floyd got ripped by Spence... Errol turned Floyd counter clockwise by climbing into his left shoulder with right jabs and hooks and then peeling off left-handers Floyd couldn't deal with at all.. He had no answers.. Southpaw Pacquiao couldn't do that to Floyd because he had no height and no size.. Pac had no right jab and no right hook to whale on Floyd with.. Like you saw with Algieri who was at full Welterweight where Chris was drained down for Pacman.. Chris couldn't hang with Spence. He was getting crushed.
Brook is a massive Welterweight...as big as Spence... But except for GGG he's never faced a machine like Spence before. He's gonna catch HELL.
The amount of detail you give about something you've never seen or even know about beyond Spence gave Floyd trouble in sparring is both very strange and typical from you.