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Loftgroov wrote:Yeah I was rooting for Brook, and he gave a good effort, but Spence too good.

I would still actually back Brook to beat either Porter again or Thurman. But I doubt Thurman would go anywhere near him now.

Why do you say that?

When has Thurman ever ducked a challenge?

Thurman is one of the few fighters that isn't afraid to go up against the best.

My only gripe with Thurman is that he doesn't fight often enough, but you can't accuse of him of being a ducker.

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Loftgroov wrote:Yeah I was rooting for Brook, and he gave a good effort, but Spence too good.

I would still actually back Brook to beat either Porter again or Thurman. But I doubt Thurman would go anywhere near him now.

Why do you say that?

When has Thurman ever ducked a challenge?

Thurman is one of the few fighters that isn't afraid to go up against the best.

My only gripe with Thurman is that he doesn't fight often enough, but you can't accuse of him of being a ducker.

Spence is the only one I know of

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Loftgroov wrote:Yeah I was rooting for Brook, and he gave a good effort, but Spence too good.

I would still actually back Brook to beat either Porter again or Thurman. But I doubt Thurman would go anywhere near him now.

Why do you say that?

When has Thurman ever ducked a challenge?

Thurman is one of the few fighters that isn't afraid to go up against the best.

My only gripe with Thurman is that he doesn't fight often enough, but you can't accuse of him of being a ducker.

I remember Floyd offering Thurman the opportunity to fight Spence for one of his belts, telling him he has to go through Spence to get to him, or some shitt like that. Thurman said he would, but would only do it for $10 million....which he knew he would never get. Instead, Thurman took on the mighty Collazo, who Khan just had beat the piss out of. Not what I would call a brave move.

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Loftgroov wrote:Yeah I was rooting for Brook, and he gave a good effort, but Spence too good.

I would still actually back Brook to beat either Porter again or Thurman. But I doubt Thurman would go anywhere near him now.

Why do you say that?

When has Thurman ever ducked a challenge?

Thurman is one of the few fighters that isn't afraid to go up against the best.

My only gripe with Thurman is that he doesn't fight often enough, but you can't accuse of him of being a ducker.

He ducked Spence.

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Loftgroov wrote:Yeah I was rooting for Brook, and he gave a good effort, but Spence too good.

I would still actually back Brook to beat either Porter again or Thurman. But I doubt Thurman would go anywhere near him now.

Why do you say that?

When has Thurman ever ducked a challenge?

Thurman is one of the few fighters that isn't afraid to go up against the best.

My only gripe with Thurman is that he doesn't fight often enough, but you can't accuse of him of being a ducker.

He ducked Spence.

Thurman has made good business decisions. Now the fight with Spence will make them both more money and mean more for the legacy of both.

Thurman is not a ducker, but fighting once a year has the same effect.

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Ossyrules wrote:If he's broken his eye socket again I'm concerned how he'll look after another operation. Can't keep having his socket cave in like that.

And it was the other eye. He might have to retire.

Yeah I know it's worrying for him. I really like the guy and fighter, but if it's another broken eye socket, you fear for his career. I think the knowledge of knowing how dangerous the injury was played demons in his head a little at the end

It could save his career though. Whilst it doesnt look good now. By stopping it when he did- he might have just stopped career ending damage being done (hopefully).

No shame in losing to Spence, but I worry how much these last 2 fights have taken out of him. I hope if he comes back, he takes an easier fight (maybe against Eggington, who is not a big puncher but who could still draw in the UK) instead of jumping right back in against another powerhouse.

jujigatame wrote:No shame in losing to Spence, but I worry how much these last 2 fights have taken out of him. I hope if he comes back, he takes an easier fight (maybe against Eggington, who is not a big puncher but who could still draw in the UK) instead of jumping right back in against another powerhouse.

Spot on.

These last 2 fights could have taken more out of brook than his previous 30 odd fights before them.

I think rematches with No No Dan & Kevin Bizier are what Brooks needs to get himself back in the groove.

Facetiousness aside, I wouldn't know what to do if I was him.

He obviously doesn't want to go barrel scraping again against the likes of No No Dan, but equally, he doesn't want any more monsters in the opposite corner.

I'd be inclined to say that Amir Khan would be the ideal comeback opponent, but Amir has never shown any real interest previously & I don't think his ego would allow him to change his mind now.

Most people agree that through 6 rounds Brook was handily winning the fight 4-2 and in charge, fighting on the front foot.

Things changed massively from the 7th round onwards and Spence won every round from that point on, dropping Brook in the 10th and forcing him to quit in the 11th. The question is what happened to change things?

- The eye went and changed the context of the fight completely?
- Spence worked Brook out and started fighting on the inside and on the front foot?
- Brook gassed due to being far too tight at the weight?
- The excellent bodywork from Spence in the early rounds paid dividends and caused Brook to fatigue like he did?

For me it was a combination of the change of style from Spence, the bodywork he put in early and the eye. I think Spence would have done him without the eye injury anyway, but it did have an effect on Brook, no doubt.

He's gassed similarly before but managed to pull the win off, he looked as good as ever for six rounds, why are people so convinced it was the weight?

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:He's gassed similarly before but managed to pull the win off, he looked as good as ever for six rounds, why are people so convinced it was the weight?

I don't think it was I thought that was pretty much the best of Brook

By the way I believe Spence was fighting within himself a little early on, I suspect because the strategy was to gradually pour it on.

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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:He's gassed similarly before but managed to pull the win off, he looked as good as ever for six rounds, why are people so convinced it was the weight?

I don't think it was I thought that was pretty much the best of Brook

By the way I believe Spence was fighting within himself a little early on, I suspect because the strategy was to gradually pour it on.

Me too, he looked very good at times. I expected him to fade as the fight went on and Spence to come on. I didn't think it would end like that but I thought Spence might stop him. I suppose people are just looking for an excuse.

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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:He's gassed similarly before but managed to pull the win off, he looked as good as ever for six rounds, why are people so convinced it was the weight?

I don't think it was I thought that was pretty much the best of Brook

By the way I believe Spence was fighting within himself a little early on, I suspect because the strategy was to gradually pour it on.

Me too, he looked very good at times. I expected him to fade as the fight went on and Spence to come on. I didn't think it would end like that but I thought Spence might stop him. I suppose people are just looking for an excuse.

Result and manner of it were broadly what I expected but both men showed more qualities than I'd given them credit for