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Counter-puncher wrote: ah, the Ricky-as-maverick-contrarian take on Floyd-Manny, I'd forgotten that chucklefest

Me too, if winning 2 or 3 rounds equates to winning than I'd have to like Manny's chances a lot better.

https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8

The video doesn't lie. Commentators do.

Omg, can you put up the Hopkins/calzaghe one too? Please? Two one sided fights that produced the whiniest, most absurd videos ever.

I really cba going over 2 year-old ground but this idea that Pacquiao gets schooled off counter punchers simply isn't true. He outlanded Floyd, dropped Marquez 4 times over 4 highly competitive fights & schooled Bradley over 36 rounds.

Floyd just won a dreadful fight that Manny made no effort in. I thought Marquez won 3 fights, definitely won two. I only watched the first Bradley fight, PAC clearly won that.

All 3 were close and Pac looked like an animal before he got ktfo out in 4th. I know underrating Pac is fashionable at the moment but i need more than Crawford being an elite counterpuncher to believe he wins easy.

I just noticed Dave Morretti scored Pac-Vargas 114-113... that's 6-6 given the KD. That guy is as corrupt as it gets.

Ricky_ wrote:All 3 were close and Pac looked like an animal before he got ktfo out in 4th. I know underrating Pac is fashionable at the moment but i need more than Crawford being an elite counterpuncher to believe he wins easy.

The third wasn't close, Manny was definitely up in the fourth before he got knocked out. Nothing about losing to great fighters makes him underrated. If he fights Crawford, he'll lose to another one and it won't hurt his legacy one iota.

I fully expect Crawford to be a 147 champ in the future. Terrific boxer

Manny was quicker to the punch in a lot of exchanges with Floyd, but don't talk sense into empty heads its pointless. At least the right guy got the decision. Though the scoring was a joke, the right guy won.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd just won a dreadful fight that Manny made no effort in. I thought Marquez won 3 fights, definitely won two. I only watched the first Bradley fight, PAC clearly won that.

The next 2 fights with Bradley were just as definitive, judges just got 'em right those times.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:All 3 were close and Pac looked like an animal before he got ktfo out in 4th. I know underrating Pac is fashionable at the moment but i need more than Crawford being an elite counterpuncher to believe he wins easy.

The third wasn't close, Manny was definitely up in the fourth before he got knocked out. Nothing about losing to great fighters makes him underrated. If he fights Crawford, he'll lose to another one and it won't hurt his legacy one iota.

Yep, Manny Pacquiao's legacy is carved in stone at this point. Once you've accomplished as much as he has, it's all icing on the cake at this point. Even a competitive loss to Crawford would raise his standing further still in my eyes considering his age.

Pacquaio doesn't need Crawford at this stage imo

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8

The video doesn't lie. Commentators do.

You notice how that video is conveniently only 9 and a half minutes long and the fight was 36 minutes long...you wanna know why? Because Manny actually won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight...even people that know Floyd won realize that, but the problem is he lost the other 8 or 9 and therefore he lost the fight. That's the way it works.

The person making this video was a guy like you thinking he could fool people into thinking Manny won by only focusing on his successful moments in the fight. As if we all don't have eyes and memories of our own.

Ossyrules wrote:Pacquaio doesn't need Crawford at this stage imo

Of course he doesn't. Crawford needs Pacquiao. Pacquiao doesn't need a fight with anybody to prove anything. Doubt he needs the money either, at least not right now.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Pacquaio doesn't need Crawford at this stage imo

Of course he doesn't. Crawford needs Pacquiao. Pacquiao doesn't need a fight with anybody to prove anything. Doubt he needs the money either, at least not right now.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8

The video doesn't lie. Commentators do.

You notice how that video is conveniently only 9 and a half minutes long and the fight was 36 minutes long...you wanna know why? Because Manny actually won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight...even people that know Floyd won realize that, but the problem is he lost the other 8 or 9 and therefore he lost the fight. That's the way it works.

The person making this video was a guy like you thinking he could fool people into thinking Manny won by only focusing on his successful moments in the fight. As if we all don't have eyes and memories of our own.

Let me know what punches for Floyd he failed to score & i'll watch em.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd just won a dreadful fight that Manny made no effort in. I thought Marquez won 3 fights, definitely won two. I only watched the first Bradley fight, PAC clearly won that.

The next 2 fights with Bradley were just as definitive, judges just got 'em right those times.

The first fight was nothing like the second or third fight. Manny was not focused and was just going through the motions in the first fight. He lost a close decision and he has only himself to blame for it.

He's got a frame that would allow him to fight at 160. He would do just fine at 147 and 154.

Ricky_ wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8

The video doesn't lie. Commentators do.

You notice how that video is conveniently only 9 and a half minutes long and the fight was 36 minutes long...you wanna know why? Because Manny actually won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight...even people that know Floyd won realize that, but the problem is he lost the other 8 or 9 and therefore he lost the fight. That's the way it works.

The person making this video was a guy like you thinking he could fool people into thinking Manny won by only focusing on his successful moments in the fight. As if we all don't have eyes and memories of our own.

Let me know what punches for Floyd he failed to score & i'll watch em.

I'm not rewatching that sh*t fest just to appease a guy that doesn't get how boxing works

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Floyd just won a dreadful fight that Manny made no effort in. I thought Marquez won 3 fights, definitely won two. I only watched the first Bradley fight, PAC clearly won that.

The next 2 fights with Bradley were just as definitive, judges just got 'em right those times.

The first fight was nothing like the second or third fight. Manny was not focused and was just going through the motions in the first fight. He lost a close decision and he has only himself to blame for it.

I had the first fight scored 117-111 Pacquiao, I had the same exact score in the 2nd fight. Bradley had his moment in the last 3 rounds of the 1st fight, he had his moment in 3 of the first 6 rounds of the 2nd fight, but ultimately it all worked out the same in my opinion. Not officially of course, but I know what I saw.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
You notice how that video is conveniently only 9 and a half minutes long and the fight was 36 minutes long...you wanna know why? Because Manny actually won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight...even people that know Floyd won realize that, but the problem is he lost the other 8 or 9 and therefore he lost the fight. That's the way it works.

The person making this video was a guy like you thinking he could fool people into thinking Manny won by only focusing on his successful moments in the fight. As if we all don't have eyes and memories of our own.

Let me know what punches for Floyd he failed to score & i'll watch em.

I'm not rewatching that sh*t fest just to appease a guy that doesn't get how boxing works

Cop out. Pacquiao landed more shots than Floyd, period. The other 25 mins ypu alluded to consist of a man on his bike and philly shelling up on the ropes. Whatever floats your boat.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
You notice how that video is conveniently only 9 and a half minutes long and the fight was 36 minutes long...you wanna know why? Because Manny actually won 3 or 4 rounds in the fight...even people that know Floyd won realize that, but the problem is he lost the other 8 or 9 and therefore he lost the fight. That's the way it works.

The person making this video was a guy like you thinking he could fool people into thinking Manny won by only focusing on his successful moments in the fight. As if we all don't have eyes and memories of our own.

Let me know what punches for Floyd he failed to score & i'll watch em.

I'm not rewatching that sh*t fest just to appease a guy that doesn't get how boxing works

I am of the opinion that Manny was in reality injured, Team FMJ was aware of it, and the whole event was a choreographed farce.

The Manny who showed up for Ramming Speed III was not the same fighter who was in the ring with FMJ.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
The next 2 fights with Bradley were just as definitive, judges just got 'em right those times.

The first fight was nothing like the second or third fight. Manny was not focused and was just going through the motions in the first fight. He lost a close decision and he has only himself to blame for it.

I had the first fight scored 117-111 Pacquiao, I had the same exact score in the 2nd fight. Bradley had his moment in the last 3 rounds of the 1st fight, he had his moment in 3 of the first 6 rounds of the 2nd fight, but ultimately it all worked out the same in my opinion. Not officially of course, but I know what I saw.

What I saw in the first fight was a disinterested superstar who was more focused on the NBA playoffs that he made millions of people wait on him for than he was on the fight. He tried to win nearly every round with a single flurry or two. He gave away and let Ramming Speed steal rounds throughout the fight.

I had Ramming Speed by a point but I fully expected the judging to be a Manny UD. I was very happy that the judges saw it my way.

Hitman Jr is an excellent fighter, who is in the current elite class. However, he has not faced a truly devastating puncher up to now. I would like to see how he deals with Matthysse or better yet Danny.